Beware Obama Camp you are about to get aScrewing of your Campaign. This Cruddy Witch will do nothing that will not Benefit Her.

I have called the DNC. And told them they can not do a re vote up in MI. Or legal action will be filed. Voter in MI was ask to cross lines and vote for weakest republican. My brother was one of these.
TO hold another vote in MI would let them pick the Republican and Democrat Nominee.
Something no other state is allowed to do.
Yes may be that some Republicans in OHIO and TX crossed. BUT they did so not being able to also vote for the republican of their choice…

Fl has the same prob. They were told their vote would not count. SO MANY VOTED REPUBLICAN. NOW to let them vote again>.??? MAIL in ballets? That could be taken out of mail boxes and changed?

NO WAY… The GOP NEED’S TO STEP UP. And get the lawyers ready… They made the rules they agreed to the rules. NOW because it may go to convention. THEY WANT TO CHANCE THE RULES ???

Good grief I feel bad for those in MI and FL. But once again It should have been fixed before this point. There is no Fix by a re vote now. That would be fair to the republicans that could have been hurt by the Dem vote. HAD MI Dem’s not voted for Romney or McCain. Could Huckabee did better?? Because the Dem’s in MI did not want him messing with Abortion.. I DONT KNOW DO YOU???
COULD RUDY HAVE WON FL ?? If those cross overs had not voted.. I don’t know do you.???
FOR SURE THERE IS NO WAY OF KNOWING… AND they should not be able to vote for a Dem. and a rep….

GET THE COURTS READY… WE NEED TO PUT UP A FIGHT>>>>..

FL fine just let it count that’s about 100 clinton and Obama 70+
nobody campaigned so in a way fair election, and at least closer to deadline.
MI problematic not counted as is, logic says do it over.

Comment to DPG -

It is not the fault of Michigan and Florida voters when they all voted and have aired their best choice to be the President of our beloved Country… It was all fault of the Democratic Leaders who made the rules.
It will be disservice to the american voters to disenfranchise and nullify their voices just to protect a few. Don’t you know their “RIGHTS OF SUFFRAGE???”

Why afraid holding another primary if this is the only way to know the will of the people???

If you really think that these voters will support your candidate then let them hold another primary?

That’s what Senator Hillary Clinton meant when she said she wanted them to be seated…

You can’t blame Senator Clinton because she herself did not campaign in those areas yet the people spoke of their CHOICE as to who should be the PRESIDENT OF OUR COUNTRY!

If Obama is the Real Advocate of Change – Why not give those people a chance to vote if they like his plans? – Is it because people are now beginning to know him?

Comment by Jo
March 7th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Comment to DPG -

It is not the fault of Michigan and Florida voters when they all voted and have aired their best choice to be the President of our beloved Country… It was all fault of the Democratic Leaders who made the rules.
It will be disservice to the American voters to disenfranchise and nullify their voices just to protect a few. Don’t you know their “RIGHTS OF SUFFRAGE???”

Why afraid holding another primary if this is the only way to know the will of the people???
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OK I know they should have had a voice.. NOT THE ISSUE
I know it is not their fault but the Dem. party is at fault…

WHAT IS THE PROB.? Like I said before. People like my brother in MI. Was told that their vote for democratic nominee would not count. So go vote for the worse Republican you can. Or most likely to be beat…
NOW a re vote. THAT would allow those same people that voted for a republican nominee to vote again for a Dem nominee….
THAT WOULD BE UNFAIR TO THE REST OF US IN THIS COUNTRY THAT ONLY GETS TO VOTE FOR ONE DEM. OR REPUBLICAN

DID THIS EXPLANE IT BETTER…

Nobody expected this beforehand, money and time of casting votes also changed.
FL should be counted, with other states at least a better chance that one crosses the finishing line.
the % of voters that cast their vote to the oppostion is most likely minimal and not really the issue.

An objective review of the situation indicates that no one truly believed that this would be a problem in December. Florida and Michigan sought to get a piece of the campaign dollar pie by moving up their primaries. While this may have been a good idea for the 46 states which are left out of the Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada windfall, the traditionalists at the DNC wanted to protect the big four, thus the penalties for leapfrogging everyone else. Conventional wisdom said at the time that Clinton would have the nomination won and the Florida and Michigan delegations would be seated for the sake of party unity and the penalties would be resolved by the winning candidate, in their view Clinton, seating the delegates through the appropriate committees at the conventions. That neither candidate objected initially, but abided by the DNC ruling, indicates that they too believed that the nomination would be won before this became an issue of such importance.
Then along came the Obama train which swept Clinton off the track of certain victory. Conventional wisdom was thrown out the door. The DNC has found itself in a very difficult position. Changing the rules in the middle of the game is fundamentally unAmerican. Seating the delegates undermines the integrity of the DNC and its rules committee. Such an action would drive away new supporters to the party who are looking for “change” but see the same old politics as usual. Clinton is now desperate to add the delegates from Florida and Michigan to her tally in an effort to stop Obama’s momentum and restore her sagging hopes of leading the delegate count going into the convention. Clinton’s argument that she won is not genuine, she knows that there was no campaigning in either state and that Obama’s name was not on the ballot in Michigan. The simple fact is that when she has held big leads in a state, Obama has closed that lead with his campaign style and the same would have been true in Michigan and Florida. She may have won both of those states in a hard fought campaign, but not nearly by the margin she did. In Michigan she forgets that none of the above, undecided, polled over 30% statewide. Obama on the other hand can not claim either state and thus can not say that his nomination is the true will of the people. Florida is a very important swing state for the Democrats and he needs to show that he can make a serious effort to win that state should he be the ultimate nominee.
The solution is simple. Both states need to hold a closed primary to be held two weeks after the Pennsylvania primary. The primaries need to be closed so that they are not influenced by cross over Republican voters seeking to make mischief. Two weeks gives ample time to campaign and with the decision being made sooner rather than later, the two campaigns can adequately organize and allocate their resources. They need to be held on the same day so that neither state has an advantage over the other. The DNC, and each of the two campaigns should bear one-third of the costs. The taxpayers didn’t create this problem; the short sighted DNC and the scorched earth campaigning by the candidates have created this monster and they should pay for the solution. Both candidates have raised record amounts, 80 million dollars in February alone. The DNC has a 20 million dollar war chest. If the Democrats want to be a party of change, then change within the rules, provide a level playing field for both candidates, and spare the taxpayers the costs.

Does anybody remember the Boston Tea Party which occurred because of taxation without representation. It is a constitutional breach to strip people of their right to vote. This has to be settled and the inept politicians who took away our rights should be sanctioned! The justices of the Supreme Court will have to get involved to make a decision if we don’t work this out ourselves. The sooner the better!!!

REPLY TO DAVID
The solution is simple. Both states need to hold a closed primary to be held two weeks after the Pennsylvania primary. The primaries need to be closed so that they are not influenced by cross over Republican voters seeking to make mischief.
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B.S.
1st the democrats in MI and FL already made mischief… THEY crossed lines for reasons stated above..
2nd YOU are giving these voters the chance to vote for both repeat BOTH a Democratic and Republican Nominee… SOMETHING NO ONE ELSE HAS THE RIGHT TO DO IN AMERICA…
3rd the DNC made this mess. NOW they want to change the rules they made.. Just because the out come is not what they wanted.

THE ONLY FAIR WAY TO RE DO THIS IS NOT FESABLE…
THE DNC WOULD HAVE TO GET THE ELECTION POSTPONED….
Then they would have to pay back every dime the campaigns of all candidates. REPUBLICAN and Democrat. And start from the beginning. THIS WAY NO ONE GETS TO VOTE FOR BOTH A REPUBLICAN NOMANEE AND DEMOCRAT NOMANEE..
Also the DNC would have to Pay every bit of the cost in each state for the do over..
SO THIS is not going to happen….

ONE VOTE ONE PERSON…. NO DO OVER THAT WOULD LET ONE GROUP VOTE TWICE…

Barak Hussein Obama is definitely not a Christian. His father was a Muslim, whether or not he was radical. There is nothing wrong one being a Muslim. But it is wrong to hide this fact and disguise to be a Christian when it is politically advantageous in a Christian majority country.
Now let us see how he could become a Christian. His father being a Muslim would not take him to a Church to be baptized. Same is true for his step father. I read his mother was an Aetheist. I know quite a few Aetheist and none of them would encourage somebody to go to Church to baptized!! Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking major public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background.

DPG

I couldn’t agree with you more. Having a re-do is like trying to re-write history. How can you have just two states who get a second chance to re-think who they voted for the first time? What about all the other people from other states who knew that Florida and Michigan wouldn’t count and took this into consideration for the candidate that they voted for? What about the other candidates that were in the race at the time of the voting in those states? If there is to be a re-do, it must happen across all states, with all candidates back in play, which is to say it can’t happen at all because of the impracticality of it. To have a re-do just for two candidates is just plain wrong.

Now I am hearing that the DNC, the candidates and the states need to decide how to fix this in a “fair” way. Once again, it appears the voters will have no say in how the matter is resolved. The candidates must agree on the fix. This is a no-win situation no matter how you look at it.

As much as I hate to say it, the only “fair” way is to play the hand that was dealt to all parties at the time, which is that Florida and Michigan don’t count.
By the way, I have heard conflicting information regarding the seating of the “super” delegates from these states. Does anyone know for sure if the “super” delegates are going to count if the “regular” delegates don’t?

GO HILLARY !!!!!

Florida already did vote – both names were on the ballet – so count them!!!
MI – should have a do-over. And Do it quickly. This has become such a mess – the Dem. party leaders should be shamed into paying for the entire process. Also – why did the Republican delegates/votes count??? They now have their nominee and all is well.
Florida and MI are far too important to just count out – all the states and all the people need to vote.

GO HILLARY !!!!

Doesn’t matter much. This will be a brokered election no matter what states get to vote and/or caucus. Let’s just hope that the campaigns continue. They are not only fun but they are full of good information too.

I have been a DEMOCRAT all my life, I am FLORIDIAN 58yrs old professional white woman, , I am totally done with the Democratic Nat. Committee their unfair messed up rules have split the party, I am sick and tired of the SUPERDELEGATES ’supersale’ corruption, I see EXPERIENCE AND QUALIFICATION MEAN NOTHING, money $$$$ and inexperienced cheap words do, I am tired of standing in line to vote just to see my votes being trashed out!.

Senator Clinton WON biiig in MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA AND THOSE VOTES ARE BEING IGNORED, our votes don’t count, what a grand slap to the voters face. The DEMOCRATIC NAT. COMMITTEE should have never even considered eliminating these 2 States voters when the primaries were moved up, regardless! TOTAL CORRUPTION there!. Now, if BARACK HUSSEIN decided not to be in the ballot because there were no DELEGATES seated that is his problem. Senator Clinton cared about the pieople more than delegates.

We are aware Obama has already paid about $698,000 to superdelegates by now and Senator Clinton about $195,000. Lets do the math, who is buying more?? It just shows he who has the $$$$ wins. $$$$$$ talks and experience and qualifications walk! Will never
vote democrat again. Prefer not to vote at all now!.

* It’s obvious Obama have been using the REPUBLICANS anti-Clintons to smear and attack
this hard working born-christian , quality, experienced Lady! total corruption!

** If our funding fathers drawed the CONSITUTION based on christian values then
why is this ARAB-AMERICAN MUSLIM BORN running for President?? Basic requirements
are lacking here! I BET WE WILL NEVER SEE ARABS OR OTHER ANTI AMERICAN COUNTRIES CONSIDERING A BORN CHRISTIAN AMERICANs TO BE THEIR PRESIDENT. Insane!

* Just Know who Obama realy is:
http://kennethelamb.blogspot.com/2008/02/barak-obama-questions-about-ethnic.html

* ITS also OBVIOUS THE MEDIA has given Obama free pass for long perhaps for BIG $$$$ compensation and long term tax brakes promises. THIS CAMPAIGN STINKS!!

** America diserves better than an inexperienced ARAB-AMERICAN, MUSLIM BORN for President! I AM DONE!.

Obama – identifies his nationality and allegience to AFRICA
Obama – close connection with a religion – that is also associated with
sects that HATE AMERICANS and want us DEAD
Obama – non-military man who wants to become-Commander in Chief
Obama – also claims to be black – but is bi-racial
Obama – no business expierence, but yet will be Chief over many US
Federally owned corporations.
Obama – inspires change of ONEness, but record proves separates by
allegience to certain races & social status first, all others second.
Obama – no substainal Washington DC experience
Obama – no substainal foreign experience.
Obama – claims to have learned “responsibility” from his grandparents,
but as a leader, wants to “GIVE” to those who don’t asume
responsibility for their own hopes, desires, dreams & decisions.
Obama – dedicated leader in his community with black folks, and some-
how believes that qualifies him to lead the majority of whites.
Obama – is willing to have “TALKS” with Castro #2, simply because
Castro #1 stepped down, and doesn’t notice nothings different.
Obama – Welcome more minorities without education, be glad to foot
your bill.
Obama – Maybe some border fencing, but not really to keep anyone out,
because we all know that partial fencing is merely a detour.
Obama – articulate and inspirational speaker with a Robin Hood mentality.
Obama – yeah a change… call for more money from the RICH, who are
the ones who could provide more jobs, but will instead send
more money off shore. (great for our economy)
Obama – yeah a change… leave the middle class to pick up MORE slack
for illegals and poor and the CHANGE…. more poor than middle
class.
Obama – YEAH…. YIPPIE…. the GOVERNMENT will pay for EVERYTHING…
almost sounds like socialism….hmmm.

CLINTON – SIMILAR TO OBAMA…..
One really good difference is she claims to be an AMERICAN,
FIRST AND ONLY.

WOW…….I don’t even have to ponder …. NO THANKS

Comment by Bill From Illinois
March 7th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Beware Obama Camp you are about to get aScrewing of your Campaign. This Cruddy Witch will do nothing that will not Benefit Her.

Boo-Hoo testosterone boy!! Our votes should of counted to begin with and it’s obvious from all you estrogen feared males out there that we need a female President and we were lucky enough to hit the jack pot with a brilliant woman with extremely strong leadership abilities!

Women — stand up and vote for Hillary!!

Obama still has yet to recognize the Florida voters efforts in January. Both on the ballot and should stand and just aware the delegates. DNC would deserve to lose the election if FL is not recognized, however this is just what the Republican Governor wants anyway, sad and may be illegal.
Michigan may require a fire type PRIMARY so all voters can express their wishes, this is doable and financially feasible.

Obama still has yet to recognize the voters of florida and Michigan, really sad and obvious.

Based on the comments, here is what I see:
1. MI and FLA voters were allowed to cross over and a redo would result in their casting votes twice which disenfranchises all the voters in the remaining 48 states.
2. MI and FLA voters were disenfranchised not by the DNC rather by their state legislators.
3. MI and FLA voters should not be allowed to re-vote as it violates the rules and it disenfranchises the other candidates who equally qualified and who have since dropped out of the race. Maybe one of them could have changed the outcome.
4. MI and FLA voters seem more concerned about the minority voters being disenfranchised?
5. Based on local and state primaries all across the country for many, many years, voters do not perform their civic duty and actually vote, whether in the primaries or general elections. Turnout is low. If people were really concerned, they would be more actively informed about what their elected officials are doing and if they weren’t happy with them, either voice their concerns or vote them out of office.

The issue of a re-vote is moot. We should unify our election process, primaries not the caucuses, one vote for one person and all use the same ballot system. Let’s move forward.

I Knew it WAS TRUE!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVeFVtcdSYY

FAG!

HE HASN’T DENIED IT!

In the last 50 years, liberals(LIKE OBAMA) have sided with every enemy that America has had.

Viet Cong troops were loved by Hanoi Jane and Hanoi John and you liberals supported the communist troops over those of us that were drafted and had to go over there

Communist USSR – Stalin was called “Uncle Joe” by Liberals (commie loving scumbags) while he exterminated close to 25 million people.

Cuba – Fidel a folk hero loved by liberals everywhere

Venezuela – Chevez, another communist dictator revered and loved by liberals

Terrorist Nations and terrorist groups (they’re peaceful people who hate women / anyone who’s not in their particular sect / behead people / blow themselves up as well as children

2. Show their complete hatred of any thing patriotic and Christian

3. Teach children that perverts are living an alternate and wholesome lifestyle.

4. Believe that murderers and other deviates are just mis-understood people that shouldn’t be in prison. “If only we could have a talk with them and point out how their behavior disappoints us”….. this also works with terrorists, maybe they just need a timeout!

5. Liberal support of illegal scumbags causing crime, getting free medical care, subsidized housing and food, free schooling all paid for by us taxpayers.

6. Demanding and passing laws that give criminals more rights than victims.

7. Yesterday one of you liberals on here posted saying you were looking for a site that was something like “f&^k the troops” and saying that they wanted to find the site and say how much they supported them. Proving again that you phony liberals don’t really “Support Our Troops” its just another pack of PC lies covering up your hatred of this country.

And many more ways…. They want to change America to the “new communism” as some of you liberals have told me (being anonymous here allows you liberals to state what your goals actually are).

Go to this site dedicated to the communist party: http://www.cpusa.org and see that they have recommended every liberal democrat candidate that has run for the presidency during the last 4 or 5 elections and probably more. Read the communist stated goals, compare them to the goals set by the democrats….. suprise! they’re the same. UNLIKE LIBERALS WHO LOOK AT THIS AS A PLUS…..
I DON’T VOTE FOR CANDIDATES THAT ARE RECOMMENDED BY COMMUNISTS.

There is no way to have a fair “do-over”, too many Democrats were encouraged to crossover in order to tamper with the Republican primary outcome. They were convinced that this was a way to make their vote count. Also, what of all of the absentee and military voters? Last, the DNC created this problem and they, not the Florida taxpayers should be financially responsible for anything that they come up with. This political season has already worn me out, and this is only the beginning of the “anything to win” cycle

No win situation for Mr Obama.
Seat the delegates clinton win the nomination.
Do not seat the delegates Obama and Clinton lose in November.

Revote as a primary only, Clinton wins and very likely wins in November.
Revote will not favor Obama because he shun florida and michigan first vote, not very democratic and will surely surface what a revote is announced. No getting around it he still has not acknowledge the florida and michigan voters yet.

FLORIDA GIRL
FOR YOUR INFORMATION I AM A WOMN AD WILL NEVER NEVER VOTE FOR HILLARY
SHE STANDS FO EVERY THING I AM AGAINST
DIRTY UNDERHANDED
LYIN TO THE EOPL
USING THEM IN SEPTEMBER SHE COULD HAVE GIEN A RATS ASS ABOUT DISENFRANCHISING THE VOTES SHETRUELY BELVED SHE WOULD HAVE WON THE PRIMAY LONG BEFOR THE VOTE GOT TO FLORIDA. SHE LIES, CHEATS. CAN YOU HONESTLY SAYHE WON TE NOMINATION SHE BE WORRIED ABOUT YOUR VOTE

Is it true that the only two states to not have more Democrats show up to the polls than Republicans are Florida and Michigan? If this is the case, wouldn’t it lead you to the conclusion that many Democrats didn’t show up to vote because they were told their votes wouldn’t count? I believe this is what is referred to as “voting irregularities”. If this is the case, wouldn’t it be wrong to allow the votes to stand as they now do from those two states?

On the other hand a re-do isn’t fair to all the others voters and candidates who voted and campaigned across the country either.

We all must admit the DNC screwed up. Why would the DNC knowingly discount the votes in these two states? Don’t they remember the mantra in 2000 of “EVERY Vote MUST count!”? This is going to rip the party apart before this is all done and over with. No matter which way the matter is resolved, many Democrats will either not vote at all, or vote for the Republican party because of the screwing they feel they are getting.

and i m a woman ,,who can,t stand other woman succesfull,,

and i m a woman who follows youtube videos,,,,,and i don,t care about issues,,,,

so i m only for a guy as president

LAUREN-

What I care about is the FACT that Obama has ties with Islamic extremists and Muslims. Look at Farrakhan and his anti-white Pastor, Wright. The fact that that does not concern you but Hillary does is very frightening! Open your eyes and do some research on Obama before you continue to bash Hillary. Obama is one scary dude with dangerous buisness relationships!! He makes Hillary look like the fairy God mother!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm

To all Concerned Citizens

The matter of arranging an (after the fact) compromise to seat delegates from Florida and Michigan is obviously going to be significant. There are known guilty parties, specifically the party hacks from those offending states, who instigated the movement to ignore the rules handed down by DNC.
It was not the populations of Florida and Michigan who chose to initiate primary actions there. It was the officials with enough authority, and more than enough ego, who thought they were supreme over the rest of the country. Since the obvious perpetrators can easily be identified it should be placed on their shoulders to finance the band-aids that they are crying for now. It is patently unfair to spread the blame to others who had no part in breaking the rules, just as it would be unfair to jail the entire family of someone convicted of murder.
Therefore, I suggest you publish the names of those officials, indicate that if they are willing to personally pay for the costs of giving their State’s Citizens the voting rights they should never have been deprived of, that DNC and both candidates for Nominee of the Democratic party would participate in those re-designed elections. Oh, and by the way, if this situation does not lend itself to a fair and equal conclusion, I believe it should be made publicly clear to the Clinton camp they will not be allowed to count the delegates from those disenfranchised States.

Ron Lawson
Lacey, Washington
arell1@comcast.net

REPLY TO
Comment by Ron Lawson
March 8th, 2008 at 2:31 am
To all Concerned Citizens
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Please read post above….
NO do over is fair or legal….
I know I will be pursuing legal action.. If the Voters of MI and FL get to vote TWICE. once for the Republican Nominee. Then again for the democratic nominee.
WE ALL SOULD BE CONSERNED…
People in these state’s where told their vote would not count. Many crossed over to Vote for the Republican nominee. NOW to let them vote for the democratic nominee.
ONE PERSON ONE VOTE…

PLEASE LOOK AT MY POST’S ABOVE AND THAT OF

Comment by Disgusted
March 7th, 2008 at 11:03 pm

Comment by Barry
March 7th, 2008 at 10:13 pm

1. The DNC made a stupid decision – with which Clinton and others agreed.
2. No one campaigned in MI or FL.
3. Clinton won just over 50% in MI – against “uncommitted”
4. Clinton insists results should be counted “for the people” – a position I’m sure would be different if she were well ahead at this time.
5. For many reasons the results can’t now be accepted or re-done and pretend it never happened.
6. The MI and FL Dem committees got themselves in this mess by thumbing their noses at the DNC after they were told what would happen. They wanted the “glory” and instead screwed themselves – and the MI and FL voters.

On the other hand:
1. A re-do of MI and FL won’t make any significant difference in cutting into the pledged delgate lead that Obama has, so why bother. He is going to win the majority of pledged delegates regardless of what Clinton does in the remainder of the campaign. Look at Clinton’s “stunning” wins in OH and TX – she picked up a net of about 9 delegates.
2. Clinton knows this, but only wants the “wins” in her column to twist the arms of the uncommitted superdelegates to ignore Obama’s majoriy of pledged delegates and throw the nomination to her instead. No one has ever accused the Clintons of not using every ploy in the book to get what they want – regardless of what is fair or ethical.
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I can understand a redo in Michigan as only Hillary and Kucinich where on the ballot there at the time.
I see no reason to have a redo in Florida as everyone was on the ballot. Its done accept it.

The Florida and Michigan vote must stand as is or this country will be doing the unthinkable. Our forefathers are rolling in their graves right now. The DNC is illegally canceling the votes of millions of people. The right to vote and have your vote count is one of the most defining principles of the United States of America. Other countries have monitors to insure that their elections and legal. That is what we need now. Let the DNC be dammed. The constitution overrides any idiotic rules that the DNC has. That is the problem with the democrats. They want to turn this country into big government. They want to tell you when to eat, go to the bathroom and go to sleep and they want to tax for the privilege of telling you what to do. All the democrats follow their dictators like sheep to slaughter. We are the people and the government works for us not the other way around.

As I have said before. If the DNC does not count the votes and refuses to seat the delegates then all of the democrat voters should turn their back on the DNC. When the general election comes around then you need to stay home or vote for McCain.

McCain is so honest it hard to believe that he is real. He tells us the truth regardless if we like the truth or not. But there it is right in your face. Why would we vote for someone who tells you just what you want to hear? Do you really believe that they can come through with their campaign promises? The president just can’t make changes. It has to be voted in by the senate and the house. Wake up and think about it. Congress has more power than the president.

And one more thought regarding Michigan. Clinton kept her name on the ballot. Obama and Kucinich pulled their names from the ballot. They decided to punish the states. That was their decision and now they have to live with it.

No changes. Count the votes as is or be sure the democrats stay out of the White House for at least another 4 years or more if we are lucky

FLORIDA GIRL HAS BEEN OUT IN THE FLORIDA SUN TOO LONG…..

She is OBVIOUSLY more concerned with electing a woman that is the same gender as her than someone who can give us universal health care WITHOUT garnishing our wages if we fail to pay.

For shame….

Gringo

Rules are rules! If they can’t follow the rules now, what other rules will they change when it fits their needs. The “RIGHTS OF SUFFRAGE” needs to be reformed. National elections should be the same state to state and Independents should be included in all states. Both parties have changed the rules over the years to try and gain an advantage on their opposition. It’s what is causing these problems to start with.

Gringo. Obama wants universal heath that leaves out a high percentage of people and Clinton’s does not. Think about this. Do you pay taxes? How much is taken out of your paychecks for taxes? Do you know the percentage. I have almost 35% taken out for federal, state and social security and then I have money taken for health care and a 401k. I would say I am just under middle class in this economy and I work very hard. I have to take what is left out of my paycheck that has already been raped by the government to pay a mortgage, food, utilities and of course to pay for the dr bills that I owe after my heath plan pays. After all this I have nothing left for entertainment except for the Internet.

Obamas way we will pay for the people that do not buy health care. It will come out of our pockets so they can sit back and not worry about money coming out of their checks. That is if they are even working. So Hillary’s way we all pay for our own needs. Obamas way we pay for our own and they those that don’t want to pay. So I would rather see all Americans paying something than some Americans paying all why others sit back and enjoy life.

I have a family member that gets welfare. I am not proud and definitely upset for how much money she gets free and clear. She is living better than I am. She gets money for every thing. Where I am struggling to make it, she gets her utilities paid, help with rent and free food. It makes you wonder who has the best life. Everyone should pay something and at least Clinton will determine what you pay by your income and not a flat rate. What is so unfair about that!!!

Hi Carl,
I think the votes sould count, if not do it over,Clinton won Florida and Michigan,Clinton is going to get the nomintion anyway,becouse people are starting to get to know obama,his Muslim background and the people he is connected with,and dont forget he belongs to one of most racist churchs in America,Im glad that the Democratics are starting to back a legitimate Candidate to go against the Republicans,I think Clinton and McCain,would be the best choice for the American people to make in November.
Sal

To Barbara –
Before we go to any kind of national health care system that involves tax payers, shouldn’t we reduce the number of people who don’t have health insurance by forcing billion $ a year companies like McDonalds who do not provide insurance for part time workers? Or at the very least, increase their corporate taxes to cover their own employees. Tax payers shouldn’t have to cover for bill for these employees so that these corps can increase their profits. If we can reduce the number of people who need it by these and other means, it will bring the national heath care much more obtainable.

Check online about the story about Hillary, Peter Paul and a Judge Munoz in California. There is going to be a trial concerning the Clintons and some
more of their underhanded practices. The people involved are getting the go ahead to get depositions from witnesses and the story of what the Clintons did is already out there. She may be a strong woman, but doesn’t seem to be one to be trusted and that’s scary. Our country doesn’t need any more scandals from the Clintons. It needs a time of healing from the last eight years.

Hillary is lying… she can not get people to work with her..she did not get the first health care plan passed. She will be another BUSH abusing her presidential power. Her rhetoric sounds just like
Bush… You either for me or against me and she is not a person to willing to negotiate or discuss options.

Liar…Liar..Liar…..Reality…..in America we can not force people to do anything! That is what mandatory means. If we force people we become like the countires we call dictatorships. To do what Hillary is suggesting is going to cost major dollars and for her to pretend it does not is simply another lie of Atilla the Hun in her quest to concquer the WORLD.

Barack believes in supporting those who are young and can not support themselves and also making health care low enough so that adults can afford. Those who are tied in to social programs are already covered Medicare/Medicaid.

Wake Up……She is not diplomatic and she says that she is because she sat in meetings with Bill? Well I can sure think of several meetings she missed!

All she wants is POWER…POWER and POSITION!

People are really voting thinking back to the days of Bill but remember…just because the Roaring 20’s were excitign times in history.. I sure as hell don’t want to go back.

NO Hillary
NO BIll

OBAMA ‘08

Good point LT. You are correct. These corporations have so many employees that the cost of health care would be so much less than what my employer contributes. Either way I am sick of paying for everyone else to live the American dream and all I get to do is pay for it!!

Shanise: Get real. Do you think Obama can do it? The president can’t do anything with out the support of the senate and the house. Clinton and Obama can make all the promises in the world and it won’t mean a thing unless they can get it passed. They both are making empty promises and people like you actually think they can follow through on their own.

Take a government class. They just want to to vote for them and they will tell you anything to get your vote. Learn more about how your government works before voting. Your vote will count more in your heart if you do. Politicians are politicians and Obama is no different.

To Barbara – Amen.

barbar: point well taken
here is my point…

True Leadership Inspires. The problem in America is too many reality shows! These cat fights are Hillary’s attempt to take the country off of the fact that she really has no experience and people just do not like her as a leader. If America does not become inspired and united. ….we will simply remain a divided nation by race, gender, political party and religion.

We need to vote for a leader who is inspiring and can set vision and direction. Do we really believe that ANY president elected is not going to have Advisors and a cabinet to support them and our nation?

The question we need to be asking is which of these candidates is the best qualified to build a powerful cross-party/multi-lateral coalition within our own nation. Once that is done as a nation we can assert our position as the world leader. That person is BARACK.

Republicans are not going to work with Hillary, Many Independents are not going to work with Hillary, Some Democrats are not going to work with Hillary… Why because of their History and Experience with her and Bill has Unsavory, Egotistical Power hungry people.
She is just a Divisive person who people find it hard to work with her.

The media played right into her and Bill’s game………that she was not getting coverage and being picked on. So she has the opportunity now to saturate the airways with her “nasty politics”.

For Heavens sake the Lady even put down a fellow democrat when she commented that she and McCain were ready not Barack ( Sounds like a McCain/Clinton Presidential Ticket). IF a person will turn on their own… what do you think they will do to people who are not. Thus my case for why she is not the Leader our nation needs. Republicans want her to win… Because they know she can not be trusted to stand by her party or country … just herself and her ambitions.

OBAMA ‘08
OBAMA ‘08
OBAMA ‘08

And you have made your point. Isn’t it great that in this country we can agree to disagree?

Look Obama and Clinton are no different that each other. You talk about Clinton’s history but have you looked into Obamas? Google “nadhmi auchi” and then google nadhmi auchi obama. He also has history with Resko. My point is they are made of the same cloth. They are democrats that want to over tax us and make sure that we have a large government that controls every thing. That is not what our founding fathers dreams were when they formed The United States of America.

I was a democrat until John Kerry was nominated. I look at John McCain as the best bet we have. I know, he is a republican and they have brought us to the brink of destruction but!!!!
He is honest. Sometimes to honest for his own good. You hear the good and the bad from McCain. Why? because he believes we need to know the truth to make the very difficult decisions that have to be made in our time. What we do here in this election will define us in the history books. We can vote for empty promises and live that way for the next 4 years. Or we can see the truth for what it is and try hard to make it better. I would rather vote for the truth or be fooled again!!!

Barbara,I agree with you.
Sal

Barbara,I agree with you,what do you think about,McCain/Romney?
Sal

NO RE VOTE….
The DNC screwed up bad.. OF THIS THERE IS NO DUGHT..
BUT
THERE CAN BE NO RE VOTE….
IT IS WRONG TO LET THE PEOPLE OF THESE STATE’S VOTE FOR TWO DIFERENT PEOPLE..
People of Mi and Fl was told their vote for Democrat would not count.
BECOUSE of this DNC stupidty . SOME OF the people in these states voted REPUBLICAN.
NOW to let those same people vote for a DEMOCRAT. IS wrong and UNFAIR to the rest of the country. DID THE PEOPLE IN MY STATE GET TO PICK BOTH A REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT NOMAINEE????
NO…..
IF THIS IS ALOWED.. THEN WE ALL NEED TO WATCH OUT.. WHAT WILL BE NEXT THAT IS CHANGED FOR THE SELECT FEW….
I feel the people of MI and FL got screwed…. BUT THE DNC DID IT… AND THE Democrat’s agree’ed. BUT now that they need them. After they already play’ed in the republican primary. NOW they want to re do what they messed up…..
NO BUT HELL NO….
WHAT IF HUCKABEE WOULD HAVE WON MI IF NOT FOR THE CROSS OVER. Becouse the Democratic people of MI did not like his stand on abourtion……
WHAT IF RUDY WOULD HAVE WON FL IF NOT FOR THOSE WHO CROSSED AND VOTED REPUBLICAN.
THERE is no re vote that is fair and Legal…
UNLESS you all want the DNC to give all campains every dime back to BOTH REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCTATIC PARTIES .
POSTPONE the ELECTION.
Then PAY FOR EVERY STATE TO REVOTE…
THIS IS THE ONLY FAIR WAY TO DO A REVOTE…..
GET IT PEOPLE THE PEOPLE IN MI AND FL. DID ALL READY VOTE ONCE…. BY THE RULES THE DNC SET OUT…. NOW WANT TO CHANGE BECOUSE THEY NOW… DON’T LIKE THE OUT COME….

Shanise

The question we need to be asking is which of these candidates is the best qualified to build a powerful cross-party/multi-lateral coalition within our own nation. Once that is done as a nation we can assert our position as the world leader. That person is BARACK

He has the opposite track record.

Go Mac. Who has.

Shanise says -The question we need to be asking is which of these candidates is the best qualified to build a powerful cross-party/multi-lateral coalition within our own nation. Once that is done as a nation we can assert our position as the world leader. That person is BARACK

His speeches say he will, but his track recordsays the opposite.

Go Mac. Who has.

Just Clinton tactics as usual. Just tell half truths or no truths and put fear into everyone when there is nothing to fear. She just wants to steal the election and get the delegates from Fl and Mi where she knows she doesn’t deserve them. She was the only one that went back on her word and campaigned in Fl and Mi when all of the others pulled out when the DNC said that they violated the rules. “Billery” should just give up and know that America wants something new in politics and not the old way is the same way. She should stay on Saturday Night Live as she is a JOKE. Roger Brown, Davenport, Iowa

Big Mac has a temper jut like “Billery”. Yeah, I want to have either one of them answer the phone at 3am and then have them go crazy with rage and destroy something. RIGHT. NOT.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME, for busting in. this has nothing to do with this blog but I wanted to share.

A poll of married women ages 35 – 60 found that more than 67% said that Democratic Men were better lovers.

The main reasons cited were that Republican men were FATTER and were more interested in their own GRATIFICATION than that of their partner.

I knew they were FATTER! Do you love this or what?

Gladys, if thats true, why are the Clintons so thin?

Everyone knows you are not suppose to change the rules in the middle of the game. Hillary agreed not to count the delagates in Florida and Michigan-now she needs to stick with it. The definition of character is moral strength. In my opinion her try to change for own selfish needs shows her lack of character. And yes I do not like Hillary and yes it is personal. I do not like how they triied to destroy Monica L. I know she was 21, and yes she made some dumb choices, but to try and make her out to be a stalking pysho was pathetic. People who will do ANYTHING for power in my humble opinion lack moral character, or call it whatever you want right, decent, proper, just call it what it was just plain wrong. Be a man admit when your wrong and move on, don’t try and weasle out of it. Thank God for that blue dress or she would have been put through the shedder. Put your daughter niece, friend in that situation. Women need to really look at themselves if they vote for her in my opinion.

I don’t think they should do a re-vote. Florida and Michigan knew that their votes weren’t going to count, so did Hilliary and Barack. They should have fought it before the election. I don’t even listen to then when they talk. I’m not always happy with either party but I would vote for a Republican before I would vote for a Democrat. John McCain is not boring. He has a nice calm voice and doesn’t get negative until people get negative with him. My husband thinks that Hollywood should pay if they have a re-vote because they have so much to say (I don’t know who pays attention to them, I don’t).

Because they’re getting some, LT.

i HEARD THAT THE 3RD MOST GIVEN REASON WAS THAT THE LIMPED DICK REPUBLICANS COULDN’T GET IT UP.

I am a Hillary supporter and even I don’t agree with having a revote. I feel bad for the people that came out and voted because their votes and voices are not being heard but the rules were clear. Maybe next time the DNC will think before making such a harsh decision.
They don’t need to seat the delegates for either state, but they could allow the popular vote to count.

Don’t worry about a redo in Florida. We’re not looking for that here. If they did it Hillary, whom I support wouldn’t necessarily beat Barack by much. I was at a caucus last saturday and even though that was a main concern we are realistic enough to see that Barack has won. We however don’t have a problem with and see no harm in Hillary staying in if she wants to.

Many think the Democratic Primsry has been dirty.

Hillary attacking Barack on his ties to Rezko implying unethical conduct and Barark demanding Hillary produce her Tax returns implying she has something shady she’s hiding. Most of the trash taking has come from fired-up supporter. Suppose they said some of the garbage written on these blogs.

Lat me describe to you what I think is dirty capmaigning is.

The swift boating of Kerry by Bush supporter accusing him of colaberating with the enemy. That’s dirty

The Huckabee supporters in S.C. with their phone banking that labeled Senator McCain as a BABY KILLER and as RATTING out his fellow POWs. That’s dirty. Huckabee followed the lead from the Bush supporters in the previous election where the spread the story in S.C. that Senator McCain had fathered an illegitamate BLACK BABY. That’s dirty.

In November Barack will be a team that will put these Republicans in the Smithsonian Museum where they belong.

I AM A REPUBLICAN…..NOW
I USED TO BE A IND.
I used to vote by person not by party. BUT after this year that has ended.
The DNC telling the people of MI and FL they did not need them.
Then the FISA deal in the HOUSE. Where a select few are blocking the Vote on it. IT WAS a bi-partisin deal in the Senate. And would pass in the HOUSE . But a select few in power blocking it from vote.???? If it did not pass that is american. BLOCKING it from vote IS NOT.
Then the DNC putting a racist pig like OBAMA on the ticket. And trying to give him a free ride.??
NOW the DNC did not like the out come of their own rules. So they NOW want to change them. After they asked the DEM voters in these states TO cross and vote IN the republican Primary.
NOW let them Vote Again for their Dem Primary…

B.S. PUT A FORK IN ME I AM DONE…………… NO MORE OF THIS CRAP FOR ME….
YOU DEMOCRAT’S WILL NEVER GET A VOTE FROM ME AGAIN…. THE REPUBLICAN’S COULD RUN THE DEVIL HIMSELF AND I WOULD VOTE FOR HIM BEFORE A DEMOCTRAT…

You other Dem’s sould punish the democrat party. Like the Republicans punshed those they sent to washington. When they failed to hold up their end. The republicans sent them home. Democrat’s sould vote republican this year. AND let the DNC know they will not BE TREATED THIS WAY…..

MY .02 anyway

REPLY TO
Comment by Bass Pro
March 8th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
The Huckabee supporters in S.C. with their phone banking that labeled Senator McCain as a BABY KILLER and as RATTING out his fellow POWs. That’s dirty. Huckabee followed the lead from the Bush supporters in the previous election where the spread the story in S.C. that Senator McCain had fathered an illegitamate BLACK BABY. That’s dirty.
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WHAT ARE YOU SMOKEING??????
EVEN McCain has said Huckabee ran a clean campaign. IF AND I SAY IF anyone labeled McCain a baby killer. IT WAS NOT WITH Huckabee’s consent. I KNOW I WAS A RANGER FOR HUCKABEE…
NOW we did give out phone list. TRUE.. WE had a pile of things they where to say.. TRUE
BUT THAT CRAP????? IF ANYONE DID IT WAS NOT WITH OUR CONSENT….

There should be a do-over in Michigan not in Florida.
Obama was not on the ballot in Michigan but he was in Florida.
And Florida had a huge turn out plus no one campaigned there so it was a fair election.
Obama lost FLorida because it has a loarge senior and latino population and that’s not going to change!

I live in West Palm Beach, Fl. Florida has a “closed” primary, even on January 29. When we went to the polls, we could only vote for a Dem. if registered Dem., same with Rep. Now the problem comes in because we have a Rep. congress in Florida and a Rep. Gov. who chose January 29 as our primary date. Only 4 Dem. voted in favor of moving the primary. The RNC allowed 1/2 of the Rep. delegates to be seated at their convention, even though moving the primary broke the agreement the RNC had with the DNC. The votes had no say, yet they are the ones being punished. Is this fair? All Dem. candidates were on the ballot. No one campaigned in Fl. Sen. Clinton had 2 closed fund raisers in Fl, which was allowed by the DNC. Sen. Obama ran a national commercial prior to Jan. 29, which ran here in FL, which was campaigning and disalllowed by the DNC. We should either get to revote, or have our Jan. 29, votes count. We should not be penalized because of a Rep. Cong. and Gov.

A REDO ? I’m 52 and the last time i did a REDO I was 7 yrs. old. There is a very real reason for that ………. THERE ARE NO REDO’S IN THE REAL WORLD !! But this is good news, it shows that the democrats can’t handle the real world problems. Think of this as if it was the first situation for our NEW president, and heres how they handle a srewup. After seeing this why would anyone want either of them to be in charge over something serious?

REPLY TO
Comment by Janice Kronauer
March 8th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
I live in West Palm Beach, Fl. Florida has a “closed” primary,
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OK
corect me if I am wrong. BUT AS I REMEBER.. Some went to the vote resastion and CHANGED their Party. So they could vote on the republican side…. YES.???
So your closed primary thing is not a vaild argument…
AND MI is not a closed Primary…

HOLY COW..
I forgot spell ck sorry. I am dyslexic and screw up bad without it. SORRY ALL

You know there’s no way our existing vote will count. It’s time for us to push Hillary and Barack to join forces. There’s a good chance Senator McCain will choose Charlie Crist and you know that will make Florida much more competative. you know how he kisses up to everyone here. The Sun Sentenel thinks Crist hung the moon. He is in favor right not for the Property Tax Ammendent too, though that will be short lived when the Cities retrieve their short falls.

I know you mus see that Senator Obama is going to win this thing. I support Hillary if she wants to take it to the convention and see no harm it it. McCain can’t even get coverage on FOX NEWS as long as the Primary between these two goes on.

It’s time to push Obama to offer Hillary 1st refusal for VP. I think she’ll accept it. It will be one of the most glorious day in history. If the Wast Broward Caucus in Plantation last saturday told me one thing, it was, if Barack doesn’t make the offer, Florida will fall to Senator McCain. I’m a living breathing hillary support who will vote for, support and donate to Barack if he does this thing. If not I’m out.

They made their bed, let them lie in it! The only reason Hillary is in favor of it now is because she thinks it will help her. THIS WITCH will do anything and SAY anything to get elected. And she has a powerful goon squad to help her. Don’t be surprised if she pulls some kind of dirty trick to STEAL the nomination from Obama. Listen to her suddenly in favor of a Clinton-Obama ticket. And she’s been open to it all along, if you believe it. My prediction is that she will somehow steal the nomination and offer Obama the VP slot as a carrot. I hope he tells her to stick it where the sun don’t shine!

The Dems can’t even run a primary and yet they want to run America?
Not with my vote!!

Here’s a little education for you. A “CLOSED PRIMARY” is defined as an Election where only voters registered to either the Republican or Democratic Partys can vote. In other words no registered Independents or crossover voting is allowed.

In other words no Republican dirty tricks to try rigging an outcome in a party where you’re not a member is allowed. Don’t you just hate that? Doesn’t that go against everything you believe in?

You announce your ignorane by not only not understanding that but choosing to ignore the points that were made to take a cheap shot at what you thought was an error.

It mouth-breathing Republicans like you that assure our victory in November. Please don’t change anything about yourself. We need you and ole Rusbo needs you too.

Here a good comeback line for you. OH Yeah! It’s Rush not Rushbo!

Things I have been WRONG about.

1- Your vote counts. Wrong…The DNC has rules against that.
2- Fair elections have all candidate names on ballot. Wrong…
3- Obama is half black. Wrong… He is half white.
4- Race does not matter. Wrong…Blacks voted 83% Obama
5- Gender does not matter. Wrong…
6- Ophra is not a groupie. Wrong…I thought she would pass out.
7- Hillary sucks. Wrong… That weren’t Hillary.
8- CNN and the NYT have unbiased news. Wrong…They are biased tabloids.
9- Democrats aren’t really crazy. Wrong.
10- I will vote for a Democrat. Wrong. Not even a small chance!
11- Clinton is just an old bat. Wrong…she actually comes out in the daylight.
12- The Dems can run a primary ok…sh## And they want to run the country? The only thing they can run is their mouth.
13- McCain wants energy independence. Right.. so he votes against ANWR
14- Clinton won’t try to steal delegates. Someone could sell me a bridge now!
15- This list is much longer…there! I finally got one right!

Comment by Bass Pro to DPS…”You announce your ignorane”
The world needs more ignoranes like you for sure!

Comment by Bass Pro to DPS
March 8th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Here’s a little education for you. A “CLOSED PRIMARY” is defined as an Election where only voters registered to either the Republican or Democratic Partys can vote. In other words no registered Independents or crossover voting is allowed.
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NO KIDDING …..
Like I said BASS PRO..
A VOTER (LIKE YOU OK??) GOES to the voter registration. OK?? stay with me…..
Goes and changes his party. (ya with me here) Then goes and votes for the republicans.
OK now he has every right to do this OK???
I know I CHANGED MINE…..
SO BEFORE YOU CALL ME Ignorant (” ignorane” your words) CHECK YOU MIRROR

Hey there Bass Pro …Thought you might like to know.

WASHINGTON – Just when liberals thought it was safe to start identifying themselves as such, an acclaimed, veteran psychiatrist is making the case that the ideology motivating them is actually a mental disorder.
“Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most
important principles on which our freedoms were founded,” says Dr. Lyle Rossiter, author of the new book, “The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness.”
“Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.”
Dr. Rossiter says the liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population…
“The roots of liberalism – and its associated madness – can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind,” he says.
“When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious.”
The entire article is at the link below.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56494

Take your meds now and don’t be afraid.

Comment by Bass Pro to DPS
March 8th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Here’s a little education for you. A “CLOSED PRIMARY” is defined as an Election where only voters registered to either the Republican or Democratic Partys can vote. In other words no registered Independents or crossover voting is allowed.
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NO KIDDING …..
Like I said BASS PRO..
A VOTER (LIKE YOU OK??) GOES to the voter registration. OK?? stay with me…..
Goes and changes his party. (ya with me here) Then goes and votes for the republicans.
OK now he has every right to do this OK???
I know I CHANGED MINE…..
SO BEFORE YOU CALL ME Ignorant (” ignorane” your words) CHECK YOU MIRROR

That’s it.? I’m a Ranger, I gave out the phone list but I didn’t know what thay were doing with them.

Sounds familar..”I was only following orders.”

Tell me do you alway label commenters that bring a point to light as Drug Users? Would you label another Candidate a drug user if he opposed your Candidate or would that be a little too mild for you.

Let’s assume you weren’t involved. You do know it happened don’t you? Who was doing it?

You claim to be in the middle of the action so you should be able to ansewr these questions. Yes, And what was done about it? What did you do about it? Senator John McCain was swift boated by Mike Huckabee and you were part of it.

The STATES OF Florida & Michigan, NOT the DNC, broke the rules. Everyone agreed to these rules at the time they were made. Every voter who voted early broke the rules. You cannot change the rules in the ‘middle of the game’ because you don’t like it that you are losing. It’s called ‘cheating’. If they had a problem with the rules, I didn’t hear anyone complaining and crying about it until the game was being lost. This is what is UNFAIR. Hillary has cheated and will continue to lie, cheat, steal or whatever to win and this is just an example of how she plays the game. Now she’s crying because someone asked for her tax returns. Nothing unfair with that.
Also, I see a lot of hatemongers against Obama. If people in Florida play the game dirty like this, I can see why they would vote for Hillary.
This game has been played. You broke the rules, now you want to ‘play’ it over. This will never be done in a fair manner. Games over.
By the way, I am a 65 yr. old ‘white’ woman who would like to see this country unite and get along. I know of only one canidate that could do this.
Let’s all get along and play by the rules agreed to before the ‘game’. This is the only FAIR way because it’s gotten to screwed up by the STATES not following the rules, as agreed.

VERY SIMPLE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM: SPLIT THE DELEGATES FROM EACH STATE 50/50 AND SEAT THEM AT THE CONVENTION. PERIOD. DONE DEAL.

THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS IS OBVIOUSLY THE CLINTONS.

HER DESPERATION TACTICS SHOULD NOT TRUMP THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. ENOUGH SAID !!

SPLIT THE DELGATES 50/50 AND SEAT THEM!

First of all, the DNC has violated their own bylaws. Read them at democrats.org. There are no provision to take votes away or refuse to seat delegates as punishment to voters for ANY rule infraction. Their own agenda states that “it is a fundamental tenet of demcracy to vote and have that vote count”.

The DNC needs to admit that they have violated their own bylaws in throwing out votes and delegates in two states. They need to apologize to the voters from Michigan and Florida and the nation for suppressing the votes of over 2.3 million voters and immediately seat the delegates.

Of course, that is not going to happen. The media will not cover that, Obama certainly does not want that and the public is having a grand ole time trashing Michigan and Florida. How in this country anyone could ever support refusing to allow voters votes to count as punishment for anything – especially something that they had no control over – is amazing. It shows the leel of influence that Obama has over his followers.

All that being said – Florida delegates need to be immediately reinstated. It was not even democrats who set the date. It was the Florida republican governor and elected officials – the DNC knows this and still takes away the delegates from this state? They should be run out of the DNC. didn’t they stop to think of the damage they were doing to our chances in the general by forcing the candidates not to campaign in Florida or Michigan. They gave republican carte-blanche. This was an absolutely stupid thing to do.

Next, The DNC has confirmed that no candidate was told or pressured to take their name off of the ballot in Michigan. Obama chose to do this. He chose to turn his back on voters, young and old, men and women, black, white, hispanic, all of them Now he wants a do-over because voters could not vote for him. Does anyone else see a problem with this?

Finally, again the media is not telling the whole story. Hillary Clinton CHOSE to stay on the ballot in Michigan and CHOSE to support the voters. From the first day that this was ever announced she stood up for the voters and told them that all voters had a right to have their votes counted.

I don’t know what else to say. I have been a democrat my entire life. My 85 year old mother has never missed and election, My 19 year old son has just voted in his first election and we are not allowed to have our vote count. I think people are missing the bigger picture here.

What people are not realizing and the media is not thinking about is that if the DNC is permitted to do this then a precedent has been set that in the future they can, whenever they like, for whatever reason, whether it is in the bylaws or not, refuse to honor the votes in any state – your state. This now means that your vote is only as secure as those in control allow it to be and my friend – that is dangerous to democracy.

How, in in God’s name in this country can anyone deprive any voter of the right to have their vote count? We have spent years of civil rights movements, women’s suffrages, constitutional amenedments, fighting in wars to bring democracy to nations all over the world, including our own and the DNC unjustly decides that they can throw out and suppress the votes of over 2.3 million people? They have disgraced this country and what we stand for in this world. They have disgraced the memory of Maritn Luther King, JFK, elizabeth Cady Stanton and everyone who ever dedicated their life to bring the right to vote to people and have that vote count.

How dare they. How dare they.

I would ask every voter in this country to think really long and hard before they agree that it is ok to suppress votes because a state changed an election date – something the voters had no control over. Be sure you wouldn’t mind if it happened to you because I am sure that you also have no control over the choices your state or your democratic committe does. Next time it could your vote that is thrown out and believe, I never, ever knew how much my vote meant to me until I had it taken away.

I, as a voter in Michigan, would appreciate the support of all the American citizens in preventing this breakdown of democracy from happening and support that the votes and the delegates must be counted.

HILLARY STATED THAT A JOINT TICKT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE SOME DAY?? MIGHT BE POSSIBLE SOME DAY? HILLARY IS THE SOCIOPATH THAT WE ALL HAVE COME TO HATE.

EVEN IN THE ARMS OF DEFEAT, SHE IS CLAIMNG VICTORY? THIS IS CLASS “A” TYPICAL SOCIOPATH. UNBELIEVEABLE.

LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT ABOUT HILLARY FOR THE PEOPLE’S BEHALF:

1. OBAMA IS LEADING IN DELAGATES COUNT BY OVER 100

2. HE IS CURRENTLY WINNING IN WYOMING, MAKING HIM VTHE WINNER IN 14 OUT THE LAST 17 RACES.

3. THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN THAT WE WANT CHANGE, NOT THE SAME OLD SONG AND DANCE CLINTON POLITICS.

SO, WITH THIS INFORMATION, WHERE DOES HILLARY GET THE GALL TO PROCLAIM THAT “SOMEDAY” A JOINT TICKET WOULD BE AN OPTION? SHE’S A JOKE.

OBAMA HAS BEEN IN THE DRIVERS SEAT ALL ALONG, AND STILL IS.

IT IS UP TO OBAMA IF HE WANTS HILLARY! MAYBE OBAMA MIGHT “SOMEDAY” ENTERTAIN THE THOUGHT OF A HILLARY AIDE POSITION.

WILL THE CLINTONS EVER STOP PUTTING THEMSELVES ABOVE THE PEOPLE?

STEP ASIDE HILLARY SO OBAMA CAN GET TO WORK DEFEATING JOHN MCCAIN. IT’S THE LEAST YOU CAN DO FOR AMERIC

SPLIT THE DELEGATES OF EACH STATE 50/50 AND SEAT THEM.PERIOD.

THIS MIGHT NOT BE THE LIKING OF COURSE OF THE HILLARY CAMP BECAUSE IT’S FAIR, AND UN-

AWARDING OF HER IN THE DELEGATE COLUMN. OH WELL, A LITTLE HONESTY MIGHT DO THEM

SOME GOOD.

SPLIT THE DELEGATES OF MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA 50/50 AND SEAT THE DELEGATES.

ANYTHING LESS IS POLITICAL CORRUPTION, WHICH WILL NOT BE TOLERATED BY AMERICANS.

THE POLITICAL PROCESS IS FOR THE BENFIT OF THE PEOPLE, NOT THE POLITICIAN’S TACTICS OF MANIPULATION IN OUR GOVERNMENTAL VOTING PROCEDURES.

With the mind-boggling mess the Democrats have made of their primary process, we should now trust them to “fix” global warming, the economy, the energy crisis, and national security? No doubt that seems logical to them but hardly to me. Of course, the media will likely bail them out by buying into the Democrats’ SOP… “pin it on the Republicans”… and selling that case to the rest of us!

I agree. There is NO way to get this done fairly any other way. The reason is that the STATES of FLORIDA & MICHIGAN knew the consequences, and went ahead anyway. Now it’s too screwed up and has become hateful and can no longer be done fairly. I would be upset too if my vote did not count, I understand the voters frustration. But blame the ones who ‘broke the rules’, not anyone else.

SPLIT THE DELEGATES OF EACH STATE 50/50 AND SEAT THEM.PERIOD.

THIS MIGHT NOT BE THE LIKING OF COURSE OF THE HILLARY CAMP BECAUSE IT’S FAIR, AND UN-

AWARDING OF HER IN THE DELEGATE COLUMN. OH WELL, A LITTLE HONESTY MIGHT DO THEM

SOME GOOD.

For those of you who believe that it was wrong to throw out votes and delegates of any voter in this country please email seatourdelegates08@yahoo.com We have started a petition drive in both Florida and Michigan to request that the DNC seat the delegates.

It is our stand that it is a fundamentel tenet of democracy to vote and have that vote count. This, by the way is also the agenda of the Demcratic National Committe (DNC). see this and their bylaws at democrats.org. You will find that the bylaws do not provide for sanctions or punishments for rules violations of any kind.

By emailing the above address we can send you a copy of the petition. It would be helpful if those of you who can help out would complete one or more petitions and send back to us. You can also go to seatourdelegate.com which is our partner in Florida.

The problem in each state is slightly different. Florida’s date was changed by Republican officials. The state Democratic Committee had not choice, voters had no choice. Neither candidate campaigned with the exception of tv ads run in Florida by Obama. In this state the votes need to be counted and the delegates seated immediately.

In Michigan there is a different issue. Most of the democrats were not on the ballot. It is important to understand that they were all on the ballot. Obama made the decision to sign an affidavit and remove his name. He was not required to do this by the DNC. He has since publicly said on multiple occasions that the votes in Michigan and Florida are worthless and the elections a beauty contest. He did not consider his claim to be like MLK in this. He was not concerned with the voters in Michigan. He now wants a caucus do-ver – I am sure he does. He claims that voters were not able to vote directly for him – Well, whose fault is that?
Clinton did stay on the ballot and did say that she would not remove her name because people had a right to vote and have their vote mean something. This election should also be recognized and their votes counted.

So… The joke goes on. This Mich. Florida thing is only one among many.
Tearing the Democratic party apart might seem like a good thing to some but the rest of the world sees the bitterness and hate coming out of this nit picking power struggle.
The silliness and stupidity of arguing about middle names, race, gender, Farrakhan, Wright, Muslim, “rejecting and renouncing” endorsements (etc.) has a negative reflection on America AND Democracy.
The world is laughing at America and wondering why they would want a Democracy type government if this is what to expect from “elected” Senators.
Every time Clinton speaks she MUST show her contempt toward President Bush. Her rabid hate is obvious and repulsive. Where is her respect for the “Office” of the President of the United States of America?
If a person can not respect the “Office” do they deserve to sit in it?
Now she is trying to steal delegates.
Not with my vote.
(Isaiah 59:14,15): “So Justice is driven back, and righteousness stands at a distance; Truth has stumbled in the streets, honesty cannot enter. Truth is nowhere to be found, and whoever shuns evil becomes a prey.”

Why is everyone blaming the DNC and not the states? If you break laws, you pay a fine or go to jail. The STATES broke the rules and are now paying the fine. Let the states of Florida and Michigan figure it out and quit blamiing the DNC for the mess that they created.

Many people obeyed the rules and didn’t vote at all. What about them? The mess is made, let the states clean it up.

Exactly how is a 50/50 split fair in FLA where Hillary already won?

Also, why do people continue to blame Hillary for ANY of this mess? I’m sick of the outright hate.

Redo MI in a closed primary, let fla stand as is. They all had the choices and chose. Only one candidate ran television ads, but for the most part no one got to campaign.

Hillary agreed to the rules and then sneaked into your states and cheated, as usual. You would be better off to leave things as they are. Otherwise, I guarantee you will regret it.

It seems as if Hillary leaves a mess wherever she goes.

Cheryl Hillary agreed to not tocount Florida and Michigans vote, this is on record. She had no problem keeping all those people from voting until she thought it would help her get to be president- so she is just responsible as anyone for not allowing the votes, that said, you cannot change the rules in the middle of the game-it would not be fair!

DPG..You should have went with the “it’s not Rushbo, it’s Rush’ line.

In the Blog World a person is jugded by what they say, not how they misspell or omit a letter here or there. Christ that would be all we’d talk about. We’ve all done it but most of us have matured.

You must have had a FRIGGING STROKE when you discovered that you just wrote….

“check…(YOU)…. mirror.” TWICE!! Once in your 1:46pm comments and then again “check (YOU) mirror” 2 minutes later in your 1:48pm comments.

hey Bass pro.
Still not taking your meds are you! You must be a large mouth bass pro.

How does splitting the vote 50/50 solve anything? If you do this you might as well do nothing.

The fact is tha the super delegates have alway had one independant vote. They are not restricted by their voting districts or states. But it is one vote – just like any other delegate. It’s not that all the delegates vote and then the super-delegates vote and can change theidecision of the delegates – they are part of that vote.

they can change their minds right up to the last split second before they vote. They should not be bothered by either campaign. If the DNC wants to set rules then they should set one that the super-delegates are not to be bothered by the candidates.

Another thing – there are still several states left and those states have a right to also have a vote between the candidates. For one of the very few elections, their votes will mean something. The whole system is bad. There is no reason why, in the 21st century, we do not have a straigh out primary determined by the popular vote. We do not need any delegates. The elections should be the same in every single state. This should be the same in the general – we do not need electoral college. This is the only way to ensure that every registered voter has the same opportunity to vote, based on the same information at the same general time period.

There is no need for candidates to start campaigning a year ahead of time. each candidate should prepare and make public their very detailed resume. This is the top job in the world and as Bill Richardson said, “when did having experience become a bad thing”?

I must have said this a million times, if the democratic nomination goes to the candidate based only on 48 states and the remaining two states would have changed the outcome I WILL NOT support that candidate for president. I cannot support anyone who feels that it is ok to decide a president leaving out 2 entire states. This defies and makes a mockery of democracy. I have heard so many people say this.

WAS IT WORTH IT H. DEAN? WAS IT WORTH IT TO TEAR THIS PARTY APAR?. YOU AND THE DNC ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS. READ YOUR BYLAWS. WHERE DO THEY GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO PUNISH VOTERS BY TAKING AWAY THEIR VOTES AND DELEGATES. YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN BUSH. THE PROBLEMS YOU HAVE CAUSED COULD VERY LIKELEY SWAY THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION AND PUT THE WRONG CANDIDATE IN OFFICE. YOU DID NOT EVEN TAKE THE ADVICE OF THE COMMISSION SET UP TO STUDY THE RULES AND SCHEDULES FOR THE 2008 PRIMARY ELECTIONS. HAD YOU FOLLOWED THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS WE WOULD NOT HAVE THIS PROBLEM TODAY.

every thing i wrote on top is false

actaully we men are jealous of bill clinton ,,,he is so bad guy but his wife she really loves him ,,,its very hard to forgive someone,,but hillary forgave him for chelsea future and for her regious faith and keep her marrige vows together

so vote hillary………

i am stupid like other so many young kids from youtube website,,,,,

obama has put hate inside us ,,so we hate the world ,,,we need change,,,we need it now,,,,,,,,,,,,

but my parents are voting for hillary ,,,,,,,,but i thnk they are stupid ,,,just because they lived more ,,,or they work hard ,,or they worry to make payments ,,,doen not mean they know better ,,,,,,i know better because i have seen obama youtube video ,,,,,

i do cocaine too ,,,,,just like obama says in his book ,,that he did it

so he inspires us ,,,,,,it makes us feel like ,,we can do it once in a while and get over with it

Is there any other kind?

The meds referrence is weak. Used by you mouth-breathing Republicans to avoid having to think for yourselves.

Why not show a little guts and put something out there for all the blog to see?

Maybe you could read some of the other comments on the blogs and adopt one for your own.

Who are you voting for would be a good place to start.

Did anyone see the poll that showed women preferring Democrats in the Bedroom to Republicans by more that 2 to 1. They said it was because you guys are to fat. They should have said Fat-headed.

It was reported on several of the MSNBC and FOX blogs.

I think the rules were set but now that the game has changed people want to break the rules.

On onther note:

Have you ever had job where your boss had a lot of experience but you knew you could do a better job?

Clinton keeps stating that she has the most experience. This is true; she has years of failed policies, dating back to her failure to implement a health care plan, during her husband’s administration.

Don’t vote for Clinton bcause she spouts, so called, experience; vote for Obama because he has passion to get the job done.

Arthur McClen

Screenwriter

http://www.myspace.com/ArthurMcClen

Oh my gosh, I’d better clear this up right now or DPG will be on my back.

I left an “o” out of too. I’m soooooo sorry. I meant to say “they said you guys are “TOO” fat.

PAMELA.

The candidates agreed not to campaign at that is all. This was told to me directly by the DNC. They also confirmed that at no time were candidates told to take their name off of any ballot.
In fact, Clinton left her name on the ballot and said at that time that the voters had a right to vote and have their vote count. She never said that their votes should not count. Obama, on the otherhand, signed an affidavit to remove his name from the ballot. He did not have to do this, he chose to. Why didn’t he who is so like MLK and JFK stand up for the voters and say to the DNC that is wrong to deprive voters of the right to vote and have it count. He does not have a right to demand a do-over election or to demand that the votes don’t count. He gave that up when he refused to support the rights of the voters in Michigan.

Here is the problem. Yes, the states changed their dates and violated the schedule established by the DNC. But this is not the bigger problem. The bylaws of the DNC do not have provisions that permit taking away votes or not seating delegates for any reason or in punishment for any rule violation. Read them at democrats.org.

This means that the DNC violated their bylaws when they imposed punishments that are not permitted or covered in their bylaws. I am sure they never expected it to blow up in their faces but the fact that they operated outside of the bylaws. They need to stand up and admit that their punishment violates the DNC bylaws and reseat the delegates.

If state committees violate rules than sanction the states in whatever way the bylaws permit. But don’t punish voters by taking away their right to have their vote count. I just do not understand how any American can support this.

Another thing, the voters were told their votes would not count but there was still an election and they still had a right to vote in it. In fact, the little bit of press coverage given said that it was most likely that the DNC would reseat the two states. Over 2.3 million voters went ahead and voted. You can’t just throw these away.

I know it is different subject but…

Back during the last presidential elections, using smear campaigns, they took a Vietnam War hero (John Kerry) and made him look unpatriotic. Now these same people are trying to smear Barack Obama by spreading pictures to make him look unpatriotic. How come these pictures do not have the coward’s names (who posted them) attached?

Know the Facts:

Is Obama a Patriot? Obama Voted To Require Pledge Of Allegiance Recital Requirement. Obama voted to require the Pledge of Allegiance to be recited each school day by students in secondary education institutions receiving public funds. [92nd GA, SB 1634, 3/7/02, 3R P; 54-0-0; P.A. 92-0612, 7/3/02; 92nd GA, HB 2077, 11/28/01, 3R P; 56-0-0]

Is Obama a Muslim? No. a. Obama Has Been A Member Of Trinity United Church Of Christ For Twenty Years. b. Obama Held His Personal Bible When He Was Sworn-In As A U.S. Senator.

“In the internet age, there are going to be lies that are spread all over the place. I have been victimized by these lies. Fortunately, the American people are, I think, smarter than folks give them credit for.”

- Barack Obama, MSNBC Debate, January 15, 2008

These cowards that spin a false image of Obama are un-American cowards because they spread lies. Do not take my word for it, be an involved American and research the truth; and I am confident that you will find that Barack Obama is truly a patriotic American.

- Arthur McClen

Writer/Screenwriter

On the subject of the “re-do”

First We must agree that somehow, someway those people’s votes count. Voting and having your vote count should be an absolute in America.

Second, try to make sure it never happens again.

There needs to be trend to add “one person one vote” as a basic right to all Americans to the primary process.

No political manuvering, no bosses “punishing” anyone. No claims of lack of money.

This should include banning the use of caucuses over primaries….there is no reason to have a caucus other than to reduce participation to make the extremely active get an increased return for their vote.

Caucuses are much like a time tax to replace the old poll tax.

Sadly these are the same folks who would vote in the caucus to remove caucuses and go for primaries, so it almost has to be a national effort.

Assigning extra delegates to certain precincts should also be banned. One person one vote…no exceptions.

back to the subject…it is obviously unfair to have special states go first, and you can’t do it all at once because you need a period of time for the process to work.

Make it so the lowest turnout goes first in the next election…period no exceptions…thus over years different states would go first and the entire process would usually include all states, since the biggies are last.

Thank you for reading all this.

Dear Disgusted,

I belive NOT counting my vote has more of a negative reflection on America AND “Democracy”. How can you call this country a “Democracy” when EVERY vote is NOT counted?
Let me get all this straight. Our young men are fighting and dying in Iraq so that the Iraquis’ have a right to VOTE? Yet Florida and Michigan voters Votes do not count because of DNC rules that do not exist? Are you willing to put on a uniform and fight for MY right to VOTE? What Country do I live in? Oh Yes, America where Democracy means only some votes count not all.

Cheryl, Hillary is on record in an interview stating that she agreed the delegates should not be counted in Florida and Michigan. I watched Sean Hannity the other night read it straight from the article. If you do not believe me I am sure you can go back and check with the show (if you really want to put that much time in to it). why was’nt she throwing a fit back then, in my humble opinion it is because she is a cheater.

What do you know about this man besides his great smile and good looks and his wonderful ability to speak from a teleprompter. He is not speaking his own words – he is reading words written by someone else.

You say you are young? Have you prepared a tax return? Have you paid a mortgage or been responsible for taking care of children when you have no money to buy food. Have you lost your job lately? Do you have student loans? Have you ever had to hold your sick child in your arms and could not take them to a doctor because you had no insurance? Have you ever had a car accident and have had to suffer with injuries because the insurance company decided what they will or will not pay. Has anyone you know been denied social security disability while a aged immigrant who cannot speak english and has never worked in this country is accepted? Do you have charge cards with interest rates of 25% and more. Do you support or not support the NRA – do you even know what this is. What is you beliefs about gay rights or abortion – what are his?

I could go on and on but my point is to say to you that to hear someone tell you he has a dream is NOT ENOUGH? How does he plan to turn his dream into reality. He’s told us very little about himself. I don’t want his dream to become America’s nightmare.

The one thing that I do know about this man is that he says he is like Martin Luther King and John F. Kennedy. Yet at his first challenge he failed. He failed to stand up and say that it is wrong to ever deny anyone their right to vote and have their vote count. He signed an affidavit and took his name off the ballot and turned his back on the voters. I do know that he claims he has not learned to lie like old time washington politicians, yet he surrounds himself with the oldest of them.

He has even managed to convince people that experience is a bad thing. He is the pied-piper.

The only call that Ms. Clinton took at 3 AM when she was in the White House was to find out which Bimbo or intern Bill was with. She has no experience since she was not the co president as she claims. If she does have this experience then she should release it so that we the voters can determine whether or not she is qualified for the job of President of the United States. Ms. Clinton should also explain whether whey documents demaded by the court were found on her night stand when she said she couldn’t fine them.

Do you remember what night.

As a person who lives in the terrible state of MI, and heard about the democrats who crossed over to vote republican, let me say that if there is another democratic primary, I will cross over and vote for Hillary. Why Hillary? Easier for a republican to beat, and is not embarrassed by her name; as Mr. Obama.

The votes should not be counted as all along they said they would not count.The Clintons are running Obama down if not for his race for his
middle name that has nothing to do with it.Why would we want to relive
White house days when Clintons were there we need a change.
I am voting for Obama i hope you do too

I am not sure, I believe two or three nights back or real close because it was right after the Ohio and Texas vote and Hillary knew she would need them to win so the whole argument started then…not back when they all agreed to the whole no count deal, which I agree should not have happened-but it did..now play fair and stick to it.

What’s that MISTER SNERDLY? I should ask him what he written? No, no, no He might tell us.

Rush Limbaugh
FAT ASS

The DNC broke their OWN laws by suggesting any vote should not count.
Their own bylaws say just the opposite.
It says they have to uphold every American’s vote and to make that vote count.
Go to democrat.org.
Read the laws and bylaws.
There is no provision or excuse to strip even one American’s vote!
It is the law of the DNC’s own charter.
The United States Constitution gave you your voting rights, not the DNC!
The DNC thinks it is more powerful than that document.
The DNC cannot take those rights away,….unless you let them.
If you willingly give up your rights without a fight, you don’t deserve those rights!!!!!!
Count the votes.
It is the DNC’s rules too!
How UN-American is this going to get.
I am disgusted at thought of stripping votes!
My President would never think of doing such a thing!111
Check it out!

Jo Anne you are so right what a mess, but you can thank Hillary because she agreed to it. Where did she get all this experience to answer that phone anyway? She has no character to speak of. If you are afraid of the terrorist or Iran or China and so on, which everyone should be, then you should vote for McCain who actually has some character and military experience. I do not like Hillary because she will say or do anything at any moment if she feels will give her power-this shows lack of character. If you are for the war or against the war you have to agree McCain did what he felt was right with the war-even if he thought it would hurt his chances at becoming the president. The definition of character is moral strength..in my opinion he showed it.

I think that the people in those states do need a voice however, the state was well aware that if the primary date was changed that there delegates would not be seated. Therefore the matter is closed. No delegates for the states that chose not to comply with the rules. This issue is not about the candidates but the rules, the states where aware of the consquences of the changes now as my mother used to say to me you have made your bed now you must lie in it.

I think this whole thing is pretty funny. I have no love for either Obama or Clinton but I think the voters got the raw end of the deal on this because once again the Democratic Party thinks they know everything for everyone.
I’d like to ask the DNC what the harm was to have Florida and Michigan move up their primaries? Why shouldn’t the state parties have the say when they get to vote? Why is it that the Democratic Party has to think that they know what’s best for everyone?
All the complaints about disenfranchising voters from 2000 and 2004 from the party faithful, and now they’ve done it to themselves.
Idiots!

Dear Pamela.
Thank you for backing me up!
I am not endorsing Hillary.
I am trying to stick up for the millions of Florida voters who got kicked to the curb.
They voted in record numbers, only to be told those votes don’t count.
I heard all the comments about the rules.
They are not the American rules. The rules folks are referring to are new rules, recently made up by the DNC.
They broke their own old rules by suggesting these new ones.
Voters in Florida are more than angry. Angry is mild.
I have heard of protests, canceling of fund raiser events anda host of other ways to fight this injustice, being floated by my neighbors and just folks in the supermarkets.
Most people want to challenge this in court!
I even heard suggestions of withholding paying Federal taxes until this is resolved.
The people in Florida think the rest of the country doesn’t want them and think we are disposable!
Our votes should count.
The DNC should seek another weapon to beat their members into submission with.
Like I posted earlier:
“I will fight like an Apache Warrior, before I will willingly lay down my rights!
I have the right to have my vote counted as well as the millions of other voters that are being suppressed!
How Un-American is this going to get?

Hey Pamela.
The Democrats in Florida are organizing themselves, without our elected Democratic representatives.
They have lost faith in all the Democratic party here.
They no longer trust these people to guard and protect their Constitutionally guaranteed rights.
There will more than likely be a long court battle that may even hold up the national election!
The Democratic Party Charter, Laws and Bylaws are the evidence!
They broke their own laws as well as those of the Constitution, which whether the Democrats would like to believe it or not, “Trumps” their rules!
Maybe they can get at least one of their members to read their laws to all the other members.
I doubt many have read them!
Thanks for listening.
Jo Anne Moretti

Obama’s name was on the Michigan Democratic Party and he withdrew his name from the ballot. I think he thought he’d lose Michigan anyway, so it was a good strategical move on his part! Obama’s ads ran in Florida and zero ads for Clinton were run….

THE VOTERS HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN. OBAMA FAILS TO EVEN RECOGNIZE FLORIDA OR MICHIGAN, BUT WILL ONLY IF THEY DON’T COUNT… Give me a break!

IT IS NOT DEMOCRATIC TO DISENFRANCHISE VOTERS, SO HOW DEMOCRATIC IS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BEGIN???? Sounds like the DNC is becoming a party of DICTATORS!

With Democrats messing up their own primaries does America really want Democrats in control of the nation? Their liberal policies have caused more harm than good with all the unintended consequences America must contend with today and in the future.

Finally, a resolution to the Florida & Michigan mess! As a Michigan resident, I can say many people I know didn’t even bother to vote because Clinton was the only serious candidate on the ballot, and we were told ahead of time that the votes wouldn’t count anyway. The state Democratic party is at fault for disobeying the national party and holding the vote before the agreed-upon date, so they (and the candidates) should be the ones to pay, not the state government. I am glad that this is what is finally happening. The candidates could save further money by not campaigning in either Michigan or Florida, since we have all seen their stump speeches on tv and listened to many of their nationally televised debates. What’s a few million dollars to the candidates? Just a day or two of fundraising – Michigan doesn’t have that kind of money for a do-over!

Think about this:
They try to take our voting rights away in January,
But they want to give them back in November!
Are we out,…or are we in?
Dear DNC,
You will not take my rights today or any other day!
You did not give me those rights!

Carefull Jo Anne Moretti. I am a registered Independant have already lost my right to vote in the primaries. But the DNC will count the votes from Puerto Rico, even if they have never been to this country. It’s all unconstitutional.

Paul – I could not agree with you more.

In the middle of what most people believe to be a recession, how ignorant would it be to have do-over primaries in Florida and Michigan. It is ridiculous for the states, candidates, or the DNC to spend the millions of dollars to do this. These people of these 2 states have went through the trouble to come out and vote on their state’s primary day and they should not be punished by saying that their voice and votes do not count!! Their is no equal way of doing a do-over primary or a caucus that would make it an equal event for all its voting citizens. It is amazing to me, for the DNC to punish the democrat voters of these states over something that is so minor!! I mean, does the DNC really need so much power that they can tell the states when to vote?? As for Michigan–and I could be wrong, but wasn’t it the candidates choice to remove their names from the ballots?? So if that is the case, why is Barack Obama supporters now crying not fair, when he chose to remove himself from the ballot? Howard Dean and the whole DNC need to get off their high horse and allow all votes and delegates to the candidates count!! It is more than apparent that the whole issue of when to hold the primary was all over who has the most authority. Well, I will tell you…the people of Florida and Michigan have the authority and the right to cast their vote!! And no one should be able to disregard them or to say they don’t count!!

Dear Lt.
In Florida, you can switch affiliation up until a certain date before any election.
You did not lose your right to vote.
You declared yourself an Independent. You were handed a ballot corresponding with that declaration. There was no Independent running this time.
If you wanted to vote for a member of another party, you could have switched at any time before the deadline.
You still can switch at any time, if you would like.
That is not my issue.
my issue is the millions of people who declared themselves Democrat. They voted on Election Day.
Their votes are disregarded as punishment.
Punishment!
Votes are not to be used as a punishment. They are not to be used as a reward either.
They are not to be “USED” period.
If punishment were warranted, it should be given to the DNC!
They broke their own rules.
Please read their rules. You will see for yourself.
Florida is owed a huge apology and to have our legal votes counted as is!

Re: comments by DPG – learn to spell, maybe people will be able to understand what you are trying to say.

LT.
Floridians now want the court to decide, not the DNC.
The DNC should read their own laws and bylaws.
Votes are not punishment.
To suggest that is the furthest away from Democratic as possible.
“Every vote counts”!
Isn’t that the candidates battle cry for the other states?
They should be saying “Every vote counts,…except for the millions in Florida and Michigan”!
Who do these Democrats think they are?

I do think that your vote and every Democrate that voted should have their vote count. But why should an Independant have to switch parties to vote? Just because their isn’t an Indedependant on the ballot? If there was an Independanton the ballotand I wanted to for for a Dem or A Repub, we should be able to. This is just a way for one party or another to gain an advantage or to eliminate one. Just like the final vote in November, all people should have a vote without having to switch parties and have it count. The rules you speak of were writen by them to give them more power, the power to use us as pawns.

I just heard Hillary on TV state we need to restore our moral authority in the world-Please do not make me sick! This lady has no moral authority to speak of. She changes her tone, her voice, her temperment and whatever else she can change to steal a vote here and there just to keep power..she is into sliming fish now in Wyoming just because she knows people fish there he he. The difinition of character is moral strength, in my opinion she has none and never will! I do not like Hillary because she is a power hungry evil lady. Just look what she and her husband would have done to Monica L. ..yes she was 21 and yes she made some dumb choices..but no one can deny they would have put her through the shredder if not for that blue dress. And no I don not care who Bill chooses to sleep with, I just choose to not care for people who will do ANTHING for power. It is on record they started saying she was a stalking pyscho- put your daughter, neice or friend in that girls place…all those women out there voting for Hillary really need to look in the mirror. I care about good character..I hope more people will start!

I agree with you. Some states allow Independents to declare at the door, such as Massachusetts.
I’m not sure when that changed here, but I will research that for you.
If you would like to vote in a possible do-over, I would suggest you change party affiliation very soon.
I have been scouring the DNC’s Charter and Bylaws on their website.
I cannot find anywhere that says votes can be manipulated, supressed or strong armed.
Their Charter is quite clear on all votes counting.
That seems to be legal evidence to me.
I’ll have my friend read it too. he practices Constitutional law.
I don’t think we will need a do-over.
Just Google DNC and click onto their website. The info is on the left to get to the Charter and Bylaws of the Committee.
They made a huge mistake in interfering with voting.
Apologies are in order.

Jo Anne Moretti – I agree with you. Howard dean should step down. Could you image where we would be if he had been elected? I won’t change parties, but sure won’t be voting for the Dems.

Thank you for backing me up.
I will keep on trying to get people to see the bigger picture.
If my vote doesn’t count, they can believe their vote is next., unless they challenge this abhorrent attempt to strip voters of the most precious of all their rights!!
I will fight to keep my rights, just as hard as those who fought to get those rights did.
They fought hard!
Count Florida’s votes as is!

Jo Anne,
You are exactly right!!! I am not from Florida or Michigan but how can anyone’s vote not count? The DNC members should overthrow–better yet, American Democrats should overthrow the members of the committee and be replaced with people that care about the rights of Americans!!

You know what’s funny is that about 2 weeks ago, I wrote the DNC with concerns about why Florida and Michigan voters voice’s would not count or be heard. I have gotten no reply from the DNC on this issue but have been flooded with E-mails asking me to contribute to the DNC!!! Not a chance in the world I would give my money to these kind of people!!

Everyone has a right to a vote.

Everyone has a right for it to be counted.

Does everyone have a right for it to matter?

The reason I ask this question is that people are saying count the votes. OK, count the votes. Does the fact that the votes were counted mean that you have a right for delegates to be seated?

I believe it was determined that the DNC is a private entity, much like the Girls Scouts. They can set whatever rules they want and the government can do nothing about them. The states have laws which they must follow. In this case, both Florida and Michigan had elections and votes were cast. There are vote tally’s from the states for the candidates. It is up to the DNC to determine whether or not to accept the results.

The DNC rules clearly stated from the outset that the votes would not count. The DNC had the chance to change their minds and didn’t. What right does the DNC have to tell any state what date they should hold their primary. What if the Republicans, Liberatrians, Independents, Green Party and others wanted to hold primaries on different days? Who sets the date for the elections, not any party, but the state. Can you imagine the cost of holding primaries on different days just because the Party told you so? No state should be told by any Party when they can hold their primary, unless perhaps the Party wants to foot the bill!!!!

For all you people who are blaming the Florida Governor and the Florida Legislature for changing the date, I believe it was a bi-partisan effort to make Florida count more in the primary process. I hear you blaming them because they are Republican. Excuse me, but I believe there were Democrats who voted for it as well. Regardless, the state should not be told by any Party that they can hold elections on only certain days!

I blame the DNC for its arrogant stance on this issue. It goes against common sense not to let the voters votes count. Perhaps this is what is lacking in the DNC. The DNC thinks it can dictate policy to the people. They have it backwards.

Primaries are a function of the political parties. The only purpose is to select a candidate to run in the general election. Both parties in both states were aware of the stakes if they moved the dates of their primaries. The candidates agreed not to campaign. Obama wasn”t even on the ballot in MI. If anyone is to blame it is the state party officials. A”do over” should be out of the question.

Why not back McCain.. he is the only one who actually has the experience in military to answer that phone..he also has moral strength, he stood by his morals on the war. Even if you are for the war or against it you cannot deny he more than likely lost votes because of his beliefs, but you know what he did’nt care..he did what he felt was right, that shows character!! He does’nt run around saying and doing anything to steal a vote here or there..changing tones, looks, ideas or anything else for power (she is supposedly into sliming fish now cuz she is in the South, she was into drinking beer when she was after the men vote in Ohio he he). If we come running back from Iraq now it will only embolden all our enemies..they very well could have been embolden by the dragging our brave soldiers in the streets in Black hawk down..and who was President then.. oh ya a Clinton.

I should also have said that not only is the DNC arrogant in its stance against the people, but so are the candidates who abided by the decison of the DNC. The candidates showed their lack of leadership by merely going along with their Party bosses and dissing the people of Florida and Michigan. Above all the issues that any candidate stands for should be the right of the people to not only cast their ballot, have it counted, but also to matter in the process. How can you vote for anyone who does not understand this fundamental principle of being American? What were they thinking? We need to get the power back to the people and not in the hands of a few who think they can dictate. What a mess this really turned out to be. How we must all look to everyone else in the world.

One other matter that really bothers me is that a few of these “super” delegates essentially can determine the candidate. Why is it that they carry about 5 times the weight of any other delegate? Again, it is taking power from the masses and giving it to the few. This has to stop!

The DNC and these candidates are way out of touch with what America is all about!

Hillary Clinton was involved for fifteen years in foreign policy and security policy. She helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland as she negotiated open borders to let fleeing refugees into safety from Kosovo. Sen. Clinton has been standing up against the Chinese Government over women’s rights and standing up for human rights in many different places. Sen. Clinton served on the Senate Armed Services Committee for several years , and was the only Senator, of either party, asked to be on an important Military Task Force put together by the Pentagon under this Administration to figure out what to do with our military going forward. She has much exerience. She has traveled to more than 80 countries representing the United States, sitting down with Presidents and Prime Ministers and Kings, having the chance to represent our coutnry in some very dificult situations. Sen. Clinton offers a lifetime of experience and I think that’s a sharp contrast to Barack Obama

Who cares?? I don’t give a rats ass what the DNC does with Florida or Michigan. Obama will win, pure and simple!
Hillary is a pig and she needs to go away! Obama is the best choice even if he were a muslim with no experience!
Hillary is a devil worshipper!!! She and Bill are tools of satan!!! Thye have secret meetings with demons sent from hell by satan himself. You had better believe it! I am not making this up! I saw it on TV! Man!

IF you give Hilllary her 50% FLA (105) + Her 55% MI (86) = 191
Give all the rest to Obama 50% FlA (105) + 45% MI (70) – 175
Stip their Super Delegates!

He is still ahead in overall votes, and unless she wins PA by 60% or more he will still win

If Florida has a do-over and the results come out different I foresee even more challenges!
The DNC didn’t think ahead and was too arrogant to think people would stand up to them when they started stripping them of the most precious of all their rights,….their right to vote!
Count the original votes and avoid round two of the certain challenges.
Florida is already furious!
Millions of voters are outraged.
The Race between Obama and Clinton is extremely tight.
If the results of the do-over are different, half the rest of the Democratic voters in this country will be furious too!
Think ahead folks!
The democratic Party will implode from their own doings.
Can you imagine how crazy Hillary’s supporters will be if Obama takes the state in a do-over?
Count the votes in Florida as is!
This could get even worse!
If that happens, don’t plan on having a National election until all the court cases are settled!

With all their money, can’t the Clinton’s afford to buy some receptacles for Bill’s cigars? Do they need
to go to the White House so Bill can insert his cigars in some young intern just to get himself off?
What a sick perverted piece of filth this guy is! And Hillary defended him while trying to act like some
champion of women! You people who support the Clinton’s must be a bunch of perverts yourself!

The Clinton’s are like a couple of turds in the toilet floating around. It is time for the voter’s
to flush them down into the sewer where they belong. Bye-bye you sick pieces of feces!!!

Wow–

For the 58-year-old “professional” in Florida. Your problem is not being a Democrat. Your problem is living in Florida, where the state has managed to screw the Democrats for the 3rd election running now.

Arab-American? His father was Kenyan. He was raised in Hawaii. The name Hussein makes him no more Muslim or Arab than calling myself Pope John the II makes me Catholic or Italian.

Sign yourself up for diversity training. You sound like a Rush Limbaugh redneck. They will welcome you with open arms, because if you want to leave the Democratic Party, I’ll buy your plane ticket out.

Did the states tell people that their votes wouldn’t count or matter? No – the DNC and the candidates did. In Florida, if there wasn’t another big issue on the ballot, more people would not have even come out to vote. After all, if the DNC and candidates are going to tell you your vote isn’t going to count, why bother? Again, the states did their job by holding the election and counting and certifying it as the laws says, it is now in the hands of the almighty DNC and candidates to determine the fate of these results.

There is no possible way to have a re-do that will be “fair”. They say it needs to be “fair” for both candidates. Again they still do not get it. Where are the voters in this discussion? How are they going to make it “fair” for them? By having a re-do, you are going to be negating voting results elsewhere. They will be opening up a huge can of worms if they go this route.

Let’s face it, there is no solution that is going to work. The DNC and candidates might as well do what they said they were going to do and not count Florida and Michigan. At lease this way, they can say that they held their promise. If they try to have a re-do, they will surely lose in the general election. Their only realistic alternative is to back down from their original rule and let the votes stand as is. This is unfortunate because many people, in all states, played by the rules and will now be highly upset and perhaps either not vote, or vote Republican in the general election. Either way, when the decision comes down from the mountain top, people of this country are not going to stand for this – and rightfully so!

Charly, I must applaud you for laying out the facts. There are many more but it would take pages upon pages. Getting to the issue at hand though, I believe the voters in Mi and Fla should have their votes count. YES, the DNC is violating their own party rules, BUT, as it was stated in many of these letters, the Republican Governor and Legislature (majority being Republican) were the ones who moved that primary date in Florida. The DNC tried to stop this, but to no avail, obviously. I think this whole issue should be taken to court, at least in Florida, since both sides were wrong. The DNC is also wrong to deny those voters in Mi. Getting off the beaten path for a minute, just reading some of these letters leads me to believe that many people are GLUED to Fox news. I have never seen so many misinformed comments in my life. I’m being nice to give the media the benefit of the doubt when I say this, but the truth of the matter is, they picked their candidate to SLAM, uninformed people are taking it all in, and basing their decisions on this. Just what the media was hoping for. Let’s hope their are some intelligent people left to vote for the best qualified candidate and not worry about what they wore, who painted a candidate’s face darker, or whose wife was an addict.

THE COMMENTS MADE ON MARCH 8, @2:35pm, 2:36pm and 2:37pm, WERE NOT MADE BY ME. SOMEONE IS POSTING USING MY NAME.
THIS IS SICK, SICK, AND SICKER.
WHOEVER IS DOING IT IS MENTALLY ILL TO DO THIS.

THE REAL: Patty – Arizona

The recent coverage of the fate of Florida’s Democratic primary and the arguments on both sides have overlooked a key factor behind the large turnout of voters. We have been told that despite the forewarning that the delegates would not be sat at convention time, voters turned out in record numbers. The argument for letting the election stand on the numbers of January 29th sources the large turnout as proof that the voters took these results seriously, while the counterpoint suggests that even more voters would have turned out if not being told their voice would not be recognized. What has not received enough media coverage was that on the ballot was crucial Amendment #1, vigorously campaigned for by Governor Crist, which sought to overhaul the state’s property tax system. The measure passed resoundingly with 64% of the vote and can be definitively proven as a major cause for voter turnout. Those voting for the measure, both for and against, easily eclipsed 1.3 million votes cast.
The point is this. Without this measure on the ballot, would the Florida turnout have been far less? As well, does the fact that the amendment specifically addressed tax issues regarding homeownership show that those voters who do not own property will be disproportionately underepresented if the original vote stands? This is the position in which, as a registered Florida Democrat, I find myself in. I did not make arrangements on voting day to cast my ballot for the reasons aforementioned, but would have done so if Amendment #1 was pertinent to my household. Therefore, I believe that if the DNC decides to seat the delegates acording to the January 29th results, the party apparatus will be disenfranchising me as a voter. You cannot tell someone that their vote will not count, only to say the opposite in the face of political pressure.

I believe that the Florida delegation and the Democratic National Committee owes it to the voters, more so than to either candidate, to come to an agreement in order to hold a second primary, this time that will count and not seat the delegates according to the previous, flawed primary. If the tax measure was not on the ballot, the state would have seen nowhere the turnout that it did. This vote unfairly favors the voice of property holders over those without. One can draw many conclusions how that would play out demographically among voters’ ie. statistically underrepresenting the youth vote, minority vote, and the vote of the economically disadvantaged.

I wonder whether Hillary Clinton would be so vigorously fighting for Floridians’ rights if she did not hold advantage in that vote?

REVOTE NOW!!

Garrett Matthews

Garrett

Do you really think the re-do will have all the candidates and all of the issues on the ballot as it existed on the original day of the vote? I have a feeling that the only thing being talked about are the candidates themselves. After all, it has to be “fair” for both of them. Nothing is being said about being “fair” to the voters. If this is the case, the record turnout your state had in the original voting will be cut back quite a bit. Look at how many votes will not be counted then. No matter how you look at trying to resolve this, there is going to be votes that should have been counted that weren’t. This a very sad reality.

for the record
HILLARY RUNNING FOR 2012
listen to the youtube video below

The members of the DNC should have found a different weapon to beat it’s members with.
Refusing to accept legal American votes should never be an option!
Now the Patriotic Florida Americans are fighting back, saying “HANDS OFF OUR VOTING RIGHTS”!
Our right to vote didn’t come from the DNC! They have no right to think they could ever even try to undermine the Constitution!
A do-over would be even more chaotic.
Why spend millions to start another round of outrage?
Just count the votes as they stand.
The DNC has no provision in their Charter or Bylaws that even hint at stripping Americans of their vote! As a matter of fact, their rules are to make sure “every American” has a vote and “every vote should be counted”! That “IS” their rule!
I stayed up late reading their rules and regulations!
There is no precedent for this.
Florida did not break DNC rules. They have no rule for this!
Go to the DNC website. On the left there is a link to their Charter and Bylaws! See for yourselves!
Their Charter and Bylaws are legal evidence that they broke their rules, not Florida!
Count our votes as is! This is the rule of the DNC to do so.

A Do-over would not be fair to the people who already voted and the cost of 20 million dollars to the taxpayers.
Florida Democrats have already been screwed out of their votes enough times in the past elections.
Give us a break!

I watched Debbie Dingell (MI) and Debbie Wasserman (FL) on Fox News Sunday a few minutes ago and I am thoroughly disgusted with them both. I live in Michigan. I stayed home on election day after it was reported my vote would not count, and I hope our delegates are NOT seated. Our elected officials knew the rules but decided to skirt them anyway. I am sickened by the thinly veiled attempts of the Clinton camp to benefit their candidate.

Debbie Dingell, Jennifer Granholm, and most of the other officials in Lansing have lost my respect and I think they may have some worries when we have our next general election. Lastly, any credibility Hillary Clinton may have had with me went flying out the window after she decided to support bending the rules to her advantage.

Shame on YOU, Hillary Clinton!!

Mary is right!
“Give us a break”!
This is HUGE in Florida!
We are livid!

The folks down here in Florida are almost at the point where they no longer care “who” ends up being the Democratic nominee!
We are so disgusted at this whole charade!
If our votes and Delegates don’t count now, don’t bother even putting the Democratic nominee on our ballots in November. Why would we even consider voting for a Candidate who won’t recognize our Constitutionally Guaranteed right to vote and have that vote count?
We no longer trust them to protect any of our rights!
The DNC’s Charter says that is their rule too, but they lied to us and themselves! Read their Charter and tell me where it says stripping even one vote is allowed!
I couldn’t find that rule and believe me I looked for it!

Maybe the first question we should ask the Democratic officials is “Did you read the DNC’s Charter and Bylaws?
Then ask them to point out the Article or Amendment that says votes should not count!

Staying home on Election Day is a bad thing!
Stand up and say count my vote!
Floridians voted in protest!
We voted in spite of being told not to!
We voted in record numbers!
No organization has the right to tell people their vote won’t count!
How they even got this far with that notion is beyond me.
If any American “willingly” lets anyone strip them of their right to vote,….They don’t deserve that right!!!!
Floridians are Americans too. Look at a map of the “UNITED” States. We are right there on the bottom right!
United, get it? Don’t exclude us!

This whole thing makes me sick. Rules were made for a reaon. The reason they are fighting for this so hard is because Hillary Clinton is favored in these states and Obama is ahead of her in delegates. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure this out.
I have made up my mind that unless the Democratic party revamps their rules and gets rid of these Super Delegates, I will be going Independant next round. If Florida and Michigan have a redo, this is still going to fracture the Democtaric party anyway, because guess who will take the trophy home? Hillary!!! There is a scripture in the bible that says, they will call evil good and good evil. Well, here it is in this election in our own nation!!!!

Dear Democratic National Committee,
I have read your Charter and Bylaws.
I cannot find any article or Amendment that states stripping even one American’s vote is recommended, let alone stripping millions of American’s votes.
The folks in Florida are no longer interested on who your party nominated as a candidate for President.
We do not trust the Democratic party to guard and protect our Constitutionally guaranteed rights!
Your Charter’s fundamental core is based on the premise that “Every American” has a right to vote and to have that vote count!
You lied to us!
Please keep your Democratic nominee off our ballots in November.
You want to take away our right to vote in January, but want us to gratefully get it back in November? Are you for real????
How dare you try a stunt like that?
You are the furthest organization from Democratic!
Think ahead, by the way. You already infuriated millions of Floridians.
What do you think will happen to half your membership if the do-over results differ from the original results?
The real winner’s supporters will lose their minds too!
You may want to consider that guaranteed backlash from approximately half the Democratic voters in every state!
Are you all crazy?
Count Florida’s votes as is.
Find another weapon to beat your members with! Hands off our voting rights!
The DNC did not give us the right to vote, therefore they do not have the right to strip us of that right!

The rules in Florida were simple. Hillary and Obama both agreed not to campaign down here. Obama ran national ads in the state and he came here to do fund raisers and crossed the street to talk with reporters and broke the rules. They did NOT agree not to try and seat the delegates. Obama had his name removed from the Michigan voting as a favor to a governor of another state but here in Florida his name remained on the ballot. In Michigan his people called actively to have people vote uncommitted to have Hillary voted out there. He also ran camping ads in the state of Michigan. It was not the peoples fault in Florida that they were disenfranchised. We have a REPUBLICAN legislate and they made the decision to move up the date and the democrats got severely punished for it by Donna Barzille and Howard Dean with all delegates being stripped from the Democratic Party. The Republicans lost only half of theirs. In the state of Florida we don’t want to have a do over, we voted and it was a certified election and should stand as is. Breaking the rules? Obama broke the rules over and over again and that is not being mentioned now is it? Anger runs high here and we do NOT want a do over, our election was a primary and certified and should stand as is. No rules were broken here at all by Democrats as the Republican Legislature moved the date ahead and the Democats had to follow because on a very important item on the ballot. As far as Michigan goes I do not feel sorry Obama that his name was not on the ballot as HE removed it himself. People talk about being fair so lets be fair and let the votes count in these states as they stand and stop making Florida the catch all state every time something goes haywire in an election. Remember the 2000 election? We do how can we ever forget? Pick on another state for a while and give us a break as we are getting very tired of it.

Doesn’t anyone even find it mildly curious as to why Hillary hasn’t turned in those income tax returns? All returns since Bill left office were supposed to be turned over. I find this woman extremley arrogant, and acts like she is ABOVE any type of rules. I hope the IRS has been watching the news and they have those returns sitting on their desk for review!!! She may be legit..although I doubt it, but is Bill and his over seas dealings? These people are part of the Washington evil elite that needs to be cleaned out of Washington.

Hi Karla.
I wanted to respond to your question about tax returns.
April 15th is tax deadline for everyone, including candidates.

Hi Jo Anne.
I’m not talking about this latest tax return. The Clintons were supposed to turn over ALL tax returns since Bill left office. ALSO, according to the Clinton Library, and the question of who has funded it, and Hillary’s itinerary as first lady have been available for quite some time. The library stated that no one has asked them for them. They have had ALL kinds of time to turn in these prior returns and to get the Clinton Papers. Now I know why at the last debate that she looked like the cat that swallowed the canary when Tim Russert asked her about these returns and papers.

Why is Bill not allowing Hillary’s papers opened???? There are a lot of questions regarding these two that leaves a bad taste in my mouth and a brick in my gut.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/57351

Typical of Democrats to want to break the rules,even the ones they put in place!Democrat rules said no moving your primaries up or else-God forbid they should hold the states accountable.They are probably afraid of some mass psychological damage to Democrats in Michigan and Florida as a result of “punishing” them.If they can’t work out a “redo” they’ll probably spend millions to send counselors in to help with self-esteem issues.Can you imagine the Clinton’s response to this if Obama needed these delegates to win?Hillary’s shrill would be breaking windows from Miami to Lansing,and Bill’s nose would get so red he could lead Santa’a sleigh!

Two words for you Clinton groupies…VINCE FOSTER

Hi Karla.
You are right.
I apologize. I checked your info.
Please know I am not endorsing Clinton or any other candidate with my comments.
I am trying to stick up for the rights of millions of Florida voters who are getting a huge snub in front of the world!
Mine is a different issue completely!
I am absolutely appalled at the arrogance and audacity of the DNC.
Thank you for responding. Jo Anne.

I also think we should play the Super Bowl again…

LOL!!!!! Good one df!!!!!!!

Hi again Karla.
I am serious about Florida Democrats being outraged!
You should hear the talk around here.
These folks around here don’t even want to see a Democrat’s campaign sign hanging in public.
Obviously by reading my previous posts you can tell I talk to lots of locals.
They are livid. Believe it.
I would be surprised if they get a dollar contributed from a Florida resident.
No matter how this goes, it is HUGE down here!

Question here…….Concerning the Florida and Michigan primary’s, why does it seem so difficult to come up with some solution as so every voice is heard, every vote is counted and every delegate is seated? This is just my opinion.
#1 All candidates were originally on the ballots. The two states is question, Florida and Michigan, both remaining candidates were on the ballots. Barrack Obama made an statement as well as several of his campaign spokespeople, that he was removing his name from the Michigan ballot because that was the right thing to do. My question in a question is this. Why would Barrack Obama, making a statement about the right thing to do by removing his name from the ballot in Michigan, but not also remove his name from the Floirida ballot? Did he assume that whether right or wrong, it just wouldn’t make a difference to Floridians?
#2 Both candidates remained on the ballot in Florida. It has been said that many might not have come to vote for Barrack Obama because they (his supporters) knew it wouldn’t be counted. My question here is: Why are the people who say that citizens would not come out to vote for Barrack Obama because they knew it wouldnt count not think that people that would potentially vote for Hillary Clinton would not see it that way too? My question in a question is this. Why would we not count a vote that already exists by 1.7 million voters who showed their patronage and came out and voted? Neither candidate had the advantage over the other. Both candidates had thousands upon thousands of votes each. They were counted and showing districts 100% complete. The popular vote should be counted. The delegates should be seated accordingly to the voting tallies.
#3 Michigan is, in my opinion, somewhat of a tickler but not so much that I would loose sleep over trying to decide what to do. My question is, Why doesn’t the DNC get a plan together now? That, to me, seems like it is or could be one of the jobs the officials of the DNC were orginally elected to do. I have heard many people say they could raise the money to pay for the “redo” as we have known it to become. No Caucuses….straight out primarys only. My question in a question is this.Why would we, as Americans, not allow the elderly, the handicapped, the 3rd shifters, among many others to have the equal opportunity to have their voices heard? It is very difficult for these groups of citizens to have their voices heard if it only depends on caucuses becauses of difficulties for the elderly and handicapped to attend these events. They normally use the early ballot for their voices. The third shifters have scheduling problems and can not leave their jobs.
Any feedback would be appreciated………………….How about you FOX NEWS? Anyone there wanting help me, the American voter, challenge these questions I have. Have a debate on those wont you.

I just heard a clip on the Beltway Boys, of Howard Dean stating, “No we will not pay for it”! “We cannot afford that”! “It’s not our,(the DNC’s), problem”!
What a ridiculous statement that was!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YES, SIR, It is your problem!!!!
YOU made the STUPID MISTAKE of trying to strip an American of it’s right to vote!YOU are trying to strip MILLIONS OF AMERICANS of that right!
My blood is boiling again!
YES, SIR, HOWARD DEAN, IT IS YOUR PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jo Anne
I am not endorsing Clinton OR Obama. I do feel bad for the people in Florida and Michigan, but these 2 states are the ones who moved the primaries up..not the DNC. Why should the DNC pay for it when they aren’t the ones who decided to have the primaries early? I agree with Dean that if they want a “new vote” then these states should pay for it themsleves. It was these two states blunder for not adhearing to the DNC rules. If the people of Florida and Ohio want to be mad at someone, then they need to be mad at whoever set these early primaries up

Not Ohio…Michigan I meant lol

This is another example of how desperate the Clintons are to regain the White House. They
must still have some other messes to clean up from their first 8 years, hoping the rest of the
world won’t find out about.
The DNC should have considered all the possibilities long before now. It certainly isn’t fair to
anyone but the Clintons to seat the delegates. Why is it they have so much power? It makes
one wonder what other illegal deals they have been involved in & with how many people in high
places. How many of those “super delegates” can be bought off? You can be sure the Clintons
know. And you can be sure the Hollywood set will come to Hillary’s aid. It’s time we got the
Clintons out of our face forever. Heaven forbid that Chelsea pursues a political career!

In the DNC’s Charter, they say it is the state’s right to choose the primary date.
My biggest concern is their form of punishment!
Screwing with votes is not to be used as a means of punishment, or as a reward.
Votes are not to be used period, For ANY reason!
Votes are to be respected!
If they want to punish anyone, how about trying a fine?
The DNC’s core is based on the belief that Every American has a right to vote…..and to have that vote COUNTED.
It is written in the Charter and Bylaws of their own organization.
I took the time to read it. I wonder how many of their members did that!
They broke thier own Charter!
Find another weapon and HANDS OFF THE AMERICAN VOTE!
I am not trying to be snotty.
It is the big picture that concerns me!
If You allow someone to trample your agreed to by all party’s rights, you don’t deserve those rights.
Thank you again for responding.

Karla.
The DNC and those who would aspire to be President are “Sworn to Uphold” the Constitution.
How UN CONSTITUTIONAL is stripping even one American’s vote?

If the DNC believes it is ok to refuse to count legal American votes within their own organization, How will they be trusted to respect votes if one of them happens to get elected to the Oval Office?
These are very serious concerns that should be addressed!

Reply to Joe
Although I found your comment crude, I have to agree with you. What is it about the Clintons that people think that they are the greatest thing since the automobile? Bill Clinton was a philandering piece of “work” that any normal woman would have tossed him out on his ear. People in this nation are gaa-gga over a man that was a filthy adulterer more then once. That is scary that this nation has stooped to accepting such behavior as the normal. Hillary acts like this is no big deal, and how she can face the nation and even bring up his “indescretions” jokingly makes me think that she has mental problems herself. You people who want these kinds of people in the White House better contact your Psychitrists and see what is wrong with you. Do you want your children or grand children growing up respecting people with these kind of values?? NOT ME!!!!

If i’m not mistaken, isn’t Hillart Cllinton campaign manager or one of her staff is on the committee that determine the rules for the primaries? So, how is it, all of a sudden they want to chang e the rukes. I wonder if she was winning would this even be a issue. Of course you expect victory if your name is the only one on one of the states ballots. One of the democrats mentioned if they were to seat the delegastes, then, split the delegates, this won’t cost no one , nothing. Bottom line, Hillary is still losing. Has anyone checked out here record for the last few years. It’s obvious that even though it was a republican controlled office that made the rules. the was one of Hillarry aides who could have voted against the rules prior to the decision being made. The people shouldn’t have to pay for the mess the government elected officials created. We need to sit them all down and bring in some new blood. I have no particular favored party, but I am a registered voter and beleive(shame on me) the constitution that says We the people, the last time I checked, the government is suppose to work for us. Hillary needs to let it go and focus on getting her life back together, Too many skeltons

Hey Jo Anne
I don’t believe in stripping a person of their “constitutional” vote, but the DNC is an entirely different intity with their own set of rules. Most governmental bodies have their own rules and has nothing to do with the Constitution. The DNC is an organization” ONLY.

Hi again Karla.
Even within their organization it is nowhere mentioned .
Their motto is “every vote should counts”!
They broke thier own rule, their own Charter that every member is required to uphold, by using the vote as a means to punish! They discouraged many people to even show up at the polls. Threatening to strip an American’s vote is not a vessel to compliance it is the recipe for defiance!
No American should have their right to vote used as weapon against them!
The DNC did not give us that right, therefore it is not theirs to strip!

Sorry, that should have said: “Every Vote should Count”!

If they are a private organization, then what are they doing in the public forum.
It’s members are comprised of Elected officials.
Are they really all about the Party and to Hell with the People?
This is the message we are receiving.
People down here are very, very upset.
Sending Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton isn’t going to help.
Recognize us!
That will help!
Right now I would bother asking a favor from Florida.
We are protesting with our wallets and our services already!

Maybe the DNC wants a DO-Over.
Maybe Obama wants a Do-Over
Maybe even Clinton wants a Do-Over.
The people in Florida want their votes from January 29th counted and our Delegates to be seated.
We will not beg you to respect us.
We won’t be there for you in November, or any time leading up to November.
We are Proud American’s or at least we used to be Americans.
We are not sure anymore.
Remember you only want 48 states.
How many will you want next election? 43? 31?
How does none sound.
Don’t worry about your rights folks.
If the DNC has it’s way you won’t be needing any of them!
See for yourselves the way they are treating two states already!
Hello Motown! Love from Florida! I love the car you Michigan folks made for me! Thank you.

I was just sitting here watching Fox news with two women who are working on this mess with Florida and Michigan. The way this is looking, is that they want to keep the votes that have already been counted, and then try to work something out with the two candidates. Well let me tell ya, Obama never campaigned in Florida, and was an unknown basically at the time, and Obama’s name wasn’t even on the ballot. If they find a solution to this that will benefit BOTH candidates that would be great, but this is going to be a train wreck and I can see law suits abounding in the future. The only way I can see this being fair is to let the candidates campaign in these states and then hold the primaries again. These states better start their $$$$$$$$$$$$$ drives now so they can afford it, because Dean still says “no go” on the DNC funding.
I find it ironic that DNC also stands for Dilation and Curettage. This is a medical term for when a woman has a “clean out” after an abortion. I bet the Floridians and people of Michican feel like they have been aborted!!!!!

I think FL. delegates should be seated for Clinton because people voted at that time in her favor. If a revote is done than that would not be fair to all those people who voted early for Obama and changed their mind to Clinton but it was to late to change their mind.

I think the Obama camp knows they don’t have a chance in FL. or MI. and they would like to have a caucus because they know that’s their only hope. Obama has a silver tounge and he knows it.

I think this race has become a racial issue. If Obama was white he would not stand a chance in Mississippi but will probally win because he is black.

Shame on all the voters who vote for him because of his race.

It is a shame that Oprah Winfrey can’t get in and support a white candidate like a black one. Even Stevie Wonder said he voted for Hillary for Senate and like her but was gona vote for Obama this time. (Hmmm, I wonder why?)

Hi Karla.
Obama’s name was on the ballots in Florida.
He took his own name off the ballots in Michigan.
He did air television commercials here too.
He also held fund raisers in Florida.
Clinton held fund raisers here. No tv ads though.
He wanted our money,
not us.
The same hold true for anyone who agreed to strip votes from Americans.

This Country is not ready for a black presdent because they could not handle the power that comes with that position and why would we want a Muslim in our oval office?

These young people better wake up and smell the coffee before it is to late.

Oprah Winfrey is the beast that is gona give Obama his power!

I think Oprah needs to go on the Dr. Phil show because she is prejiduce!

Comment by Brad Henson:
It is a shame that Oprah Winfrey can’t get in and support a white candidate like a black one. Even Stevie Wonder said he voted for Hillary for Senate and like her but was gona vote for Obama this time. (Hmmm, I wonder why?)
My Comment: Because he is probably tired of “the old guard” like a lot of Americans, where nothing ever changes..not even the lies.

Good Point Joanne!

Obama is after all the money he can get!

Hillary showed me she cared about FL. by giving her victory speech there after she was declared the winner.

Obama knows his only chance is to go after the young and unlearned voters by holding big pep ralleys because the smart ones will not vote for him.

Most blacks are voting for him because he is black!

He does not have enough experience to be in the Oval Office!

He will not swear in by the bible like all others had to!

Thats enough for me to know he does not belong there!

If Obama is the Democratic nominee, get ready for 4 more years of a repulican president!

VOTE FOR CLINTON!

Jo Anne:
Well, someone must have seen ghosts running around Florida, because it is well known that they did not campaign in Florida. The candidates themselves have even stated this I believe it was said that Hillary was down there for one day. Obama never entered the state.

Excert from Meet The Press on them not campaigning in Florida:
MR. RUSSERT: But, Governor, you’re counting Florida when, in fact, the candidates did not campaign in Florida. So you–are you suggesting Hillary Clinton won?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23546011/

I think the way the Democratic National Committee has treated the millions of voters they are trying to exclude and the way the Democrats are shredding each other to bits, they won’t have to worry about who wins between them.
Neither will be standing strong enough to beat McCain.
They have done this to themselves.
At least they showed their true colors before one actually got elected.
Floridians have family and friends from Miami to Motown.
No self respecting American would let another American get stripped of any of their rights, let alone the most precious one!
We will be fine down here in the Sunshine state, without the DNC or any of it’s members.
We have fellow Americans to help us out!
Lets all go to Disney World with the money we save on donations to the Democratic machine!

Comment form Brad Henson
Most blacks are voting for him because he is black!

My Comment: NO..most blacks are voting for him because “Billy” couldn’t keep his racial mouth shut. His statement about this being a fairy tail for Obama, and his comment about Martin Luther King. If I was black, I would be upset with him also. Bill Clinton used to be known as “the black President”. He inserted foot in mouth and blew his close relationship with the blacks.

Unforutnately the DNC asked that neither candidate cmpaign in either state, given at the time the more known candidate was Clinton and she did not remove her name on the Michigan ballot like everyone else and asked by the DNC and which gave her an extreme advantage, and actually she did organize and campaign “under the radar” in Florida and clebrated the vicotry after the primary. If I was a Clinton support you are darn sure I would want these votes to count. But, if it is perceived as unfair the whole democratic party will lose. So a fair solution has to be arrived at, The Clinton supporting senator from Florida(sorry can’t remember his name) supports a mail in re-vote. As everyone has been saying – find a way that is equitable… don’t make a case for an unfair tally and divide the party. Maybe Hilary shouild win those delegates but lets let the candidate the time and the voters the time to understand. Hilary has had 20% leads in most states before voters have a chance to know him and in all cases that gap has closed or reversed once voters get more informed. The Politics of the past would say manipulate the system to get what your canidate wants. Lets find a way that all feel is fair or we will split the party and Republicans will win in the fall.

Karla,
I will try to find the news clip.
He was here at a fund raiser.
That is when he talked to a reporter.
His national advertisement ran here too.

Why hasn’t anybody brought up the fact that Dictator Howard Dean is, by his ruling, denying the delegates of Florida and Michigan, denying the citizens of these two states their Constitutional right to vote?!
They’re all trying to come up with ridiculous solutions that make absolutely no sense at all, when all they need to do is swallow their pride and admit that they were wrong in making such a ruling in the first place. There was a perfectly valid election in Florida that should absolutely be counted as-is, and as far as some candidate not having his name on the ballot in Michigan, WHO’S FAULT WAS THAT???!!!
Thanx,
A.J. Kurdyla

NO POLITICAL PARTY should be so powerful as to be able to strip U.S. citizens of their Constitutional rights!!!

Good for you A.J.
We really need the back up down here.
Thank you!

If there is a way to do a do over, but not allowing people of Flordia and Michigan that voted Rep. vote again. Allowing people two vote for a rep and a dem would not be fare to the rest fo the country since they are allowed to vote for only one canidate.

When Howard made this horrific ruling, did any of the candidates ask,”Are you serious”?
“Don’t you think a fine might be a better idea”?
Now two states are angry beyond what you hear on the news!
Millions of Legal American Voters are in danger of being locked out of a National election
The Democratic race is too close to call.
Any way it is decided will cause a backlash like this country has never seen!
Half are for Clinton. Half are for Obama.
Half the rest of the country will be as disgusted as Florida and Michigan!
I predict anger to the point of the whole Democratic Party Imploding.
They did it themselves!

Good job Howard Dean.
A lot of voters are really, really angry and half the rest are about to be!
nice!!!!!!!!!!

It appears that the only way to avoid some claims of “unfairness” from the people who did not vote in Florida and from those who did is a simple mail in ballot. That way, people who stayed away from the polls because they were told their votes would not count will still have an equal right to their vote.

As for Michigan, a paper mail in ballot is an inexpensive way (although very time consuming) to hold a fair and equal election.

I see no reason that Florida and Michigans voters should be disenfranchised. Unlike either Clinton or Obama campaigns, I am not afraid of the repeat vote. People will vote the way they believe and want to vote. Allow both candidates to campaign there and then revote. If Clinton wins, that is what the voters want. If Obama wins, that will be what the voters want.

Isn’t the “reason” for the revote fairness? Then it should not matter to either candidate that there be a revote because that is FAIR. It would be great if both candidates would pay $5 million from their coffers — or even do an online fund raiser to pay for the revote. That way the states won’t have to budget for it.

That would be fine, except the voters here in Florida had a fair, closed, certified election and we would like for the DNC to respect that. It’s that simple.
Florida Democrats are bursting with anger at the DNC. The news is only telling a bit of what is really going on here.

I HAVE YET TO HEAR ANYONE MENTION THE FACT THAT THERE MAY HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS VOTERS WHO DID NOT VOTE IN FLA OR MICH BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATIC LEADERS HAD MADE IT CLEAR THAT THE DELEGATES WOULD NOT BE SEATED. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN MANY WHO WOULD NOT HAVE WASTED THEIR TIME FOR SOMETHING THAT WASN’T GOING TO COUNT. IF THEY NOW TRY TO COUNT THE JANUARY VOTE IT WOULD BE IMPROPER.

I ALSO AGREE WITH BRIT HUME THAT THE LACK OF CAMPAIGNING LEFT THE VOTERS IN THOSE STATES LESS INFORMED. CAN THE WOMAN ON THE SUNDAY EVENING NEWS WHO SAID IT DIDN’T MATTER BECAUSE WE NO LONGER HAVE SOAP BOX SPEECHES TELL ME WHY THEN DO CANDIDATES RAISE AND SPEND HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS ON THEIR CAMPAIGNS? IS SHE SAYING THAT IT IS MERELY A WASTEFUL EXERCISE?

THE JANUARY VOTING SHOULD BE IGNORED AS ORIGINALLY PLANNED. IF THEY COME UP WITH SOME DO-OVER ALTERNATIVE IT HAD BETTER NOT COST THE TAXPAYERS OF FLA OR MICH.

THIS MAKES ONE WONDER HOW THE DEMOCRATIC LEADERS OF TODAY COULD POSSIBLY DO A GOOD JOB OF RUNNING THE COUNTRY IF THEY CAN’T EVEN MANAGE THEIR OWN ELECTION OF DELEGATES.

WILL THEY REQUEST A DO-OVER OF A WAR THEY IF THEY DECIDE THE OUTCOME DIDN’T COME OUT RIGHT. OH, THAT’S RIGHT – THEY’VE ALREADY HAVE DONE THAT FLIP-FLOP.

DICK

Sense and Sensibility

It sounds as if you are saying that the re-vote, if one is to take place, should only be about the candidates “Clinton and Obama”. If you are saying the original election was unfair, what about all the other items that were on the original ballot as well? Should those items be declared invalid as well and thus put on the ballot again?

As far as the paper ballots go, there is talk about disenfranchising the poor, as they either move quite often, or are hard to track down a mailing address for. Florida has never done a mail-in ballot before. Do you really think this is the best time to try this method of voting out?

In my opinion, the states of Florida and Michigan set a date for the primary. There were votes that were cast. There are votes that are counted. The tallies are readily available. It is up to the DNC, and apparently the candidates, to see if they are to matter. What right does the DNC and candidates have to tell any state when they can hold their primary? What right does the DNC and candidates have to tell the voters that their votes will not count?

The number one issue any candidate, from any Party, needs to understand is that the votes should never not be counted and matter. Why would any such statement even be considered? Why would I want to vote for any candidate that sided against the voter? These candidates showed an extreme lack of leadership and judgement. Are you sure you want them leading this country?

I am astounded that the party hacks and professional politicians are being allowed to talk about “what is fair to both campaigns”, and that all the commentators, including Fox’s, are allowing them to get away with it. This is not about what is fair to either campaign, and a pox on both their houses. What is fair to the people of Florida and Michigan? The people of Florida and Michigan are tired of the political hacks insisting that we don’t get a voice in the nominating process until the decision is usually over, so we levied upon our lawmakers to take a stand and tell both parties that we don’t care about their rules, we’ll tell them who we choose when we darn well please! If the parties want to try to run roughshod over us on that, then let them risk the outcome in November.

Obama’s supporters say that he took his name off the Michigan ballot, and wouldn’t campaign in Florida, because it would have broken the rules as they were. Well that’s his problem – he and the other politicians made some back room deal to force us to wait to vote until it was convenient for them – in other words, based on prior years, until the nominations would probably be settled. He was willing to risk the benefit of the dirty deals of the past continuing through this year against the cost if the people of Florida and Michigan are serious and really mean that we want our voices heard. So now he wants another deal that gets him more of the Florida vote than he won, or that forces us to vote again to be counted. Nonsense! Senator Obama, either face the music, admit you were wrong to make those backroom deals to disenfranchise us, and take the results as they were, or leave us unseated and face our wrath in November. Don’t try to con us with a do-over, meaning that we’ll have to fight this fight again 4 years from now.

Right now, or we’ll know you’re just another old-style corrupt politician.

And Fox News? Please make our position known. Thank you.

I agree that there were people in Floridia and Michigan, who didn’t vote because the DNC and candidates, not the state, told the people their votes would not count. I also understand that there were voters in Florida who thought they could make their vote count by crossing over and voting for their perceived weakest Republican candidate. In my opinion, the states who hold primaries , by far, have a more fair election than those who hold the caucus. Is it possible that the results coming out of Florida and Michigan, as they stand, represent more of a true picture of what the voters in their states want than any state that held a caucus?

I can not believe ANYONE is ready to vote for a Democrat.
AFTER THE DNC screwed the people of the party. Namely MI and FL voters.
NOW that moron Howard Dean.. Says he does care what happens . THE DNC WILL NOT PAY FOR A REVOTE TO FIX IT..????
SO LET ME GET THIS STRATE.
THE DNC screws the Voters of MI… And the voters of FL..
HOWARD DEAN comes up with this deal… (probably because he knew Hillary would win those two. Mi on NAFTA… FL on the senor vote. )
He wants Obama to win. Best way is to Make FL and MI not count.
Then the people of MI are told to vote for the WORST REPUBLICAN.. So they have a better chance to win in NOV……Becouse Obama is weak…
NOW the people of MI and FL want to MAKE THEIR VOICES HEARD>….
AND HOWARD DEAN…. SAYS WELL WE DONT CARE IF THE VOTERS ARE HEARD… WE ARE NOT PAYING TO FIX THIS MESS……….LOL WHERE DOES HE THINK THE DNC GET THEIR MONEY FROM… THE PEOPLE MAY BEeeee????
AND PEOPLE ARE STILL SUPPORTING THE DNC….????????????

WTF are you Democrats thinking…..?????
VOTE REPUBLICAN this year across the board….. AND SEND THE DNC A MESSAGE.. AND SEND COMRADE DEAN HOME PACKING….

DPG

As far as the states paying for the “re-vote”, Dean is out of his mind. There is no way the tax payers will allow this to happen. Perhaps the reason Dean is saying this is that he realizes that he is going to need the money to defend all of the lawsuits that are going to be mounted should a re-vote actually happen. There is no-way they are going to have a re-count. If they do, they might as well not even have a candidate on the ballot in November. The DNC, and candidates, royally screwed themselves, most certainly among independent voters, and even many Democrat voters. I don’t believe the Democrats have any chance, at least in these two states, anymore come November. I believe they have already lost a few votes, for the general election, in other states as well. Perhaps they were not going to COUNT on them anyway.

All the people in Florida want, is to have the original vote stand as is.
Seat our Delegates and call it a day!
We believe the rest of America can help get that message across.
There was nothing unfair about our election. We voted on Election Day.
We though the threat to not count votes was a rumor.
We never thought any Candidate who would aspire to be President would use Any American’s vote as a weapon to punish them! A President of the United States would know to respect and count every vote.
We think the President is supposed to be the guardian of our rights, not our MASTER!
Maybe a fine, OK!
Now to suggest a do-over should not be a consideration.
The DNC gave us the boot, along with the two candidates who agreed to abide by such a stupid attempt to silence Americans!
Little old ladies want to put Howard Dean over their knee!
That was the best solution I have heard so far!
Floridians would and have laid down their lives for this country. A little back up can’t be much to ask.

RE-vote?? This is the DNC’s sneaky way of scheduling the primaries of these states where they wanted them!!!

Re-vote? What a scam! Count the original vote!
If the Republicans here in FL could “revote” perhaps there would be a good Rep. candidate still in the running against McCain. I know I’d vote differently.

let’s make florida mad so they all vote republican, get real, the democratic party better find a way to seat those delegates….everyone’s vote should count and all the candidates were on the ballot there…yo momma i mean obama is ahead because of caucuses which do not represent the wishes of the majority…just look at texas….caucuses are unamerican and should be outlawed…….by the way what’s the deal with cnn(obama nn) mississippi votes tuesday and they are interviewing an obama supporter from kansas on how mississipians are going to vote…i’m from mississippi and i’m voting for clinton….obama would get blasted by mccain

If any Floridian donates a cent to the Democratic party or it’s members, you are selling yourselves and your fellow Floridians out!
If you volunteer your services or hang a campaign sign for them you are willingly surrendering your rights.
Fight back. What do we have left to lose?
The DNC already thinks they control your vote. Show them you’ll be controlling your own vote!
Protest with your wallet. Protest with your words.
Make them hear you from Miami to Motown and beyond!
They take your vote away in January and want you to use it on their candidate in November.
Exactly which month are we off punishment and get our rights back???????????
I am a full grown adult! I am a legal American Citizen. I was born here..
I did nothing wrong by voting on Election Day.
I AM NOT ON YOUR PUNISHMENT!!!!!!!
YOU DO NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT OVER ME!
Like I said in a previous post, “I will fight like an Apache Warrior, before I will ever willingly give up my rights!
I am now a recovering Democrat!

Please, if anyone out there can find where it says to “ever” use an American’s vote as a weapon or punishment in the DNC’s Charter or Bylaws, post the article or Amendment location.
I have read their Charter and their Bylaws and it clearly states, the fundamental core of the DNC is the premise that every American has the right to vote and to have that vote count.
Nowhere can I find a precedent for this atrocity within their rules!
Florida did not break the DNC’s rules.
They have no rule about stripping votes!
If anyone can prove otherwise, please get back to me.
As far as I can tell, Howard Dean and his cohorts just invented that rule! It is certainly not present in their own Charter or Bylaws, even now!!!
Go to the DNC’s website. On the left is a link to their Charter and Bylaws. I did read them and I can”t find any precedent for this.

If the powers that be decide to let the delegates from these two states count, after all the parties knew they would not count and agreed to it, I have a personal invitation for them. Those powers that be are invited to my home to explain to my three year old how they can change the rules in the middle of the game and she can’t change the rules when she plays Candyland. I want them to sit down with her and explain the “adult rules” can change whenever someone feels left out (disinfranshised) or they think those rules aren’t fair anymore. She will have a lot of questions. I’ve already talked to her and she said, “You can’t change the rules. We read them [rules] and that is how we play.” When she isn’t wanting to play by the rules, I tell her, “We know the rules and we must follow them. If you don’t want to follow the rules, then we will put the game up and not play anymore.” That is excellent advice for presidential candidates who are acting like three years – play by the rules or don’t play. When the democrats agreed to hold the primary early, they knew the consequences. It didn’t seem to matter to them then that those votes wouldn’t count. Why are they so upset now? They made their decision and they should stand by it. I would love to change the rules in my life – “Officer, I know it is against the rules to speed, but I think that rule should changed. I don’t like it” or “I know the rules say that if I don’t make my car payment then you take my car, but that isn’t fair. I saw these great shoes and I had to have them” or “I know that carrying a gun on a plane is against the rules, but everyone would feel better if you let me do it. You do want them to feel better don’t you?” PLEASE! Give me a break. They need to grow up and accept the consequences of their actions. And, if I lived in those states, was a die-hard democrat who refused to vote for a republican, I’d write in Betty Boop or Mushmouth. They didn’t care if my vote counted or not when they decided to move the primary date. Why do they suddenly want my vote to count now?

What about the candidates who were in the race when Florida and Michigan voted? Maybe they wouldn’t have dropped out. Maybe their supporters felt so strongly about their candidate, they didn’t bother to vote – thinking the candidates would follow the rules they decided to put in place. Would all the candidates be on the ballot or just the two left standing, sorry I meant, left fighting? Everyone knew well in advance what the consequences of moving the primary date. What about the Republicans? Aren’t just half of the delegates counting? Do they get to vote again? What about the Republicans who dropped out? Would they be on the ballot again or just the recently coronated McCain, I mean McLame? Votes should count. They should have counted from the begining. Now that it is all said and done, too bad. They knew what they doing when they changed the primary date. Don’t blame the DNC; they were only trying to scare the candidates into keeping the original date; that backfired. Blame the candidates. They all agreed voters in Florida and Michigan didn’t matter. As much as I hate to admit it, the democrats are making McLame look even better!

Jamie.
The DNC’s rules say the states decide the voting date.
The DNC scheduled the primaries.
That scheduling was not set in stone it was an unspoken and unwritten rule.
Howard Dean decided to strip votes and Obama and Clinton agreed.
The problem is they have no rule that says Florida broke the rules.
The DNC has no provision that allows the stripping of votes for any reason including “punishment”, (which is a word that is infuriating Floridians)!
Their Charter states every American should have the right to vote and to have that vote count!
That is the DNC’s rule!
Do you think a candidate that would agree to strip even one American’s right to vote should be trusted to guard your right to vote?
The members of the DNC are our Democratic Elected officials. If they are a private entity, then maybe another challenge should be whether a “sitting” elected official should be allowed to be a member of that organization. They voted against the people when they voted to strip votes!
Their vote counts, but mine does not?
Our elected officials are sworn to uphold the CONSTITUTION.
They should refrain from belonging to any organization that contradicts the Constitution.
How dare they?

Thanks for reading and responding to my posts.
You all have some very intelligent thoughts.
Jo Anne Moretti.

Jo Anne Moretti I really enjoy listening to a person who can carry on a debate without becoming nasty. I also agree they should have never taken your vote from you..I do not blame you for being angry..Hillary did agree to the vote not being counted and now she is triing to act all concerned for the people and their lost vote ..this is what gets me upset..she acually believes she should get the vote as it stands.. how unfair is that Obama was’nt even on the ballot..it shows her willingness to cheat. I used to have the idea you should’nt be able to have a re-do but I believe you have changed my mind..because they never should have taken the vote from you in the first place..but they better not let it stand as it is..and how dare Hillary think people would actually think she could get away with that, but you know they have gotton away with so much why not this. Just please if you do get to revote remember how phony Hillary is. Plus it has come out one of her big donors is a big anti-semite and anti-American..he is called “Hill-raiser” and has financed an anti-American movie. This is the desturbing part..he is a delegate to the Democratic national convention in Denver.

IT’S HARD TO TEACH YOUR CHILDREN TO FOLLOW THE RULES AND PAY ATTENTION TO CURRENT EVENTS, AT THE SAME TIME. THE ELECTED OFFICIALS FROM FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN SHOULD HAVE FOUGHT HARDER TO RESOLVE THIS MATTER SOMEWHERE AROUND SEPT. WHEN THIS WHOLE MESS STARTED.

TO COUNT THE VOTES AS IT STANDS IS LIKE PEEKING TO SEE WHERE THE OTHER CHILDREN HID WHEN YOU PLAY “HIDE AND GO SEEK”; THE DIFFERENCE HERE WOULD BE THAT THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING. TO VOTE ALL OVER AGAIN IS LIKE REALIZING THAT OUR POLITICAL LEADERS NEEDS TO START ARGUING THE POINT A LITTLE LONGER BEFORE GIVING UP WHENEVER A SITUATION ARISES.

WHAT MAKES IT WRONG NOW RATHER THAN WHEN THE DECISION WAS MADE? WERE THE PEOPLE IN FLORIDA DULY NOTIFIED IN SEPT? WILL IT HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE IF SUPER TUESDAY HAD DETERMINED A WINNER?

THE SIMPLEST SOLUTION IS TO DIVIDE THE DELEGATES IN HALF AND MOVE ON. INFORM THE VOTERS OF THE STEP BY STEP PROCEDURE THAT INVENTED THIS CHAOS AND ONCE AGAIN ‘MOVE ON’. AT THE LEAST, THE DELEGATES WOULD BE COUNTED AND THE RULE WOULD BE BENT, NOT BROKEN; AND PROMISE NOT TO DO IT AGAIN.

YOU THINK, THEN DO; NOT DO, THEN THINK OF WHAT TO DO.

Hi Pamela.
Thank you for responding. I appreciate that.
I don’t think Floridians care anymore, which candidate gets the nomination in the Democratic Party.
We are so disheartened by the slap in the face we are receiving.
Getting nasty is uncalled for.
I don’t want to appear that way.
I am very careful with my words because I want them heard.
I am very angry, but I try to express it using punctuation and capital letters.
My biggest issue is the audacity of any organization or candidate even suggesting the stripping of American’s votes,…For ANY reason.
If the DNC wanted to punish their members for non compliance, how about trying a fine first. Stripping votes is never an option.
To suggest it is scary.
If any organization thinks they have that kind of power, that organization needs to be stopped. That can only escalate to stripping EVERY American’s vote!
We need to be very careful! Our rights are at stake!
Thank you again for responding.

Hi again Pamela.
Floridians are protesting this injustice.
They are mobilizing themselves. They are talking among themselves, because they don’t trust the DNC anymore
They are planning massive protests, field trips to Denver, and a host of other ways to make sure we are heard.
Floridians are now seeing the BIG picture.
It is no longer about Hillary or Obama.
It is now about the people’s right to be heard.
The whole landscape of the election has changed.
There is no unity for the Democrats anymore!
Now it has become “us or them”!
It is a very sad state of affairs down here.
The news isn’t included in the plans that are being made. The folks in Florida don’t trust them either.
The DNC has their secrets. Floridians have our secrets.
This is about to get even bigger.
Trust me, the folks in Florida are not sitting idle, waiting for help. We are not sure help is coming!
I would be surprised if the Democrats receive any votes coming out of Florida in November.
Floridians don’t even want Clinton or Obamas name to appear on our November ballots, that is if we are allowed to vote then!
Trust in the system is gone!

Now Al Sharpton is down here spewing more THREATS.
When are the Democrats realize THREATS is what started this?????
Who is he going to bring lawsuits on ,Floridians, the Dnc, who????
Floridians DO NOT TAKE KINDLY TO THREATS>
NO AMERICAN SHOULD BE THREATENED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now the Democrats are eating their own!!
Nice Job Howard Dean!!!

Please don’t get me wrong. I like Al Sharpton,…and the man can still dance, but we don’t need a song and dance down here.
I know the Rev, Sharpton is here for the Obama campaign.
Someone has to tell him it is not about Obama, Clinton, the campaignor the DNC.
This is now about the PEOPLE of the United States!!!!!!!!!!!
We will be heard in “spite” of the Democratic National Committee.
This is getting uglier by the minute.
Millions of voters are being suppressed!
Not in my country! EVER!
We need cooler heads to prevail not more THREATS!

Howard Dean = “Not my problem”
Al Sharpton = “I’ll sue,” threaten, threaten
The DNC members eating their own,…Priceless!
It’s not “all about the Democrats”, anymore.
We have gone beyond that. It is about American voters now.
get over yourselves.
The DNC crossed the line by suggesting stripping votes!
Millions of American’s are not Happy!
We are the other one, Grumpy!
Now I have to go.
I am too heated to continue!
Jo Anne.

This is my last comment to this blog.
The DNC needs to realize this is not just about the Democrats anymore.
This is about Independents and Republicans too.
We As Americans do not believe any “Organization”, including the DNC should be allowed to control the American vote. EVER!
That organization is then too powerful!
Friends, you can vote yourselves into slavery, but you cannot vote yourselves out of it!
Love from a stripped voter in Florida.

Where do you get the idea that Florida broke the rules? For that matter, where do you get the idea that the Democrat or Republican parties have the right to make a rule that tells our elected officials when to schdule and pay for an election? Some states choose to save the cost of elections – they pass a statute that authorizes parties to hold caucuses, and tell them when the caucuses will be. A tradition had grown up over the years that Iowa was the first caucus, that New Hampshire was tha first primary, and in more recent years that South Carolina was the first southern primary. In recente years, many the voters in many other states had become irritated that by the time they got to vote, they lacked choices and the nominations were often decided. So last year, the legislatures of Florida and Michigan invoked their soveriegn right to deliver what we the people were demanding: a chance to go early enough to count. The parties had these silly rules: any state bold enough to try that got 1/2 its normal delegate count. We pressed ahead, ready to make that sacrifice in order to fight for our right to be heard. THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE THEN CHANGED THE RULES in mid-game, after our legislatures had adjourned for the year, by voting to strip by 100% our delegates as punishment. I don’t care if all the candidates agreed to that (some of the Republican candidates, of all people, never agreed to cooperate in that silliness anyway.) Further, we still insist that we have a right to vote whenever we choose. The only election date rightly controlled by anyone but our legislatures are the elections for President and Congress, which are not subject to party rules but are set in the Constitution. Tis talk of splitting the votes 50-50? I’ll sue any Demoocratic delegate who doesn’t comport with his or her lawful duty to vote as they were committed by the lawful election. Further, a 50-50 vote might seat thte delegates, but it still fails to respect our votes. And any talk of a do-over is just as unacceptable, since it would give the dirty politicians just what they wanted from the start – that’s not a compromise, that’s a surrender of our rights by the people of Florida. And shame on any of you who would side with any of the politicians against us.

I couldn’t hepl myself.
Dear John Sampson.
I will join you in that lawsuit, as will millions of Florida votersWe are talking to each other.
An exodus out of the Democratic Party has already begun.
Get in touch with your neighbors as mine did me.
We cannot afford to let this slide.
Eventually the rest of America will understand “Their” rights are under attack too.

If it allowed to happen in Florida and Michigan, it will common practice by the time it gets to your state
America, please don’t let this happen.

Sorry, I skipped words.
I meant if it “is” allowed in Florida, it will “be” common practice by the time it get’s to your state!
It will not be confined to just Florida and Michigan.
Protect your rights with all your might!
If not, you don’t deserve those rights!

Florida and Michigan a Democrat’s nightmare. What to do what to do. Oh yes now that John Edwards has dropped out let’s hold a redo. We will have a mail in vote and spend millions of dollars. Oh that’s right we already spent millions of dollars on original primaries. Good to see the democrats have fiscal responsibility as their top goal. But wait this is the party of tax and spend so go ahead enjoy your redo.

It has been interesting and very tell-tale to watch the posturing and antics of both camps who are trying to resolve ?fairly? the disenfranchised MI & FL voters. Without a doubt a resolution should be reached but the performance of each camp tells a story all its own, with neither understandably wanting to be shorted in the process. In the process the true personalities of the candidates come to the surface, with Hillary again demonstrating her aggressive and unconscionable sociopathic personality. It brings me to a question that has been working in my mind. I’m curious and would like to address the question to the women voters who are so loyal to and protective of Hillary Clinton and simply ask, WHY? I’m really not trying to be a smart guy and do actually understand the value and agree with wanting feminine representation, and to include truly fair treatment for those women who do run, yet should the loyalty be blind protection and include someone who simply doesn’t deserve? There are qualities women process which are assets for public office, for both in their performance and in benefit for their constituents, but Hillary simply doesn’t demonstrate them. Maybe not a monster but just saying it is because she is belligerently tough and men just can’t accept that isn’t accurate either. Look at her history and you will see considerably more aggressive and combative outbursts than conciliatory or considerate gestures. She literally is far more divisive than she is a negotiator. The sensitivity, intuition and understanding that you might expect all seem to be consistently missing and then everything always seems to be just obstinately about her. Isn’t it reasonable that there is sound basis for the strong feelings, and yes even the dislike, of Senator Clinton? I really suspect that her personality, a strong sociopathic personality like GWB I might add, has far more to do with it than her gender. I would really hate to see her defended for the feminist cause with the result being that we end up with the wrong candidate.

The GOP wont step in because all the fighting, arguing and bickering benefits the Republican party. The democrats are a bunch of idiots, cant even run a campaign and now they want to run our country, give us government run health care when it was the democratic party the raped the social security fund that created for american workers.

I am sorry Fla and Michigan, both states new the the outcome of their decision to hold the primaries early. I say no revote, its unfair to everyone.

Amen

Isn’t Howard Dean sworn to uphold the US Constitution?
Does he have the right to belong to an organization that directly contradicts the Constitution?
Senators Clinton and Obama are required by oath to uphold the Constitution.
The same question holds true for them, as they both agreed to strip Americans of their right to vote.
Hollywood movie stars would be screaming from the rooftops if you tried it in California.
There would be blood in the streets of L.A.
Let’s strip New York or Illinois next election.
I’m sure it will be ok. They can do it to Florida and Michigan, they can do it there.
Would you fight then?

You shouldnt have to declare a party to get a ballot, what a crock that is. A ballot ought to have all candidates for all parties. I read some where that some democratic senator wants to help some other country with its voting process. We should probably think about fixing the voting problems we have in America.

This election is the biggest fiasco I have evern seen. The deomcrats did it again, just like Gore lost to Bush some years ago.

You guys are idiots, complete and simple.

Amen.

The democrats cant even uphold their own party rules let alone respect a constitution. Everything they touch turns into waste. I am so sick of all this mess, I am sick of Billary Clinton, I am sick of the deomcratic party and all the slime balls they have.

Go McCain, I hope the democratic party keeps fighting among themselves, right up to the convention. This will guarantee a victory for the republicans in November.

You gotta love your democratic party.

Amen.

The democratic party right now is in chaos. You have Al Sharpton threatening to sue, mail in do over costing millions(after aready spending millins), both sides telling lies, half truths, and blaming each other. The only ones to blame are the DNC, Howard Dean, and the state Dem parties that have allowed this to happen. As usual it is not the regular guy on the street that just want to be heard that has casued the problem but they will be the ones to pay on the long run.

To the candidates,
Let me see if I have this straight!
You voted and agreed to strip Americans, not just a couple, but millions of Americans, of their right to vote and to have that vote count in the Primaries, But in November you will swear to uphold the Constitution and every Americans right to vote and to have that vote count!?
I do not trust you to be the guardian of the Constitution.
When you took the job of Senator, you swore then to uphold the Constitution.
Then you agreed to an organization’s suggestion to strip votes!
Which right will you strip next?
Which state will you strip?
FLIP_FLOP!

I am one of the voters in Michigan who did not vote in the primary. I didn’t think it would count.
If they have a mail in revote, will I BE ABLE TO VOTE?

Well, this really shows the true colors of the Democratic party. Are you ready for change? Ok, we will change the rules we make when the going gets tough. We will change our minds, even though we had lots of time to fix things. Yes, they are for change all right, but it is not change that will benefit us the American people, but them, the politicians.

Watched with interest, Sunday…. Brit Hume was subbing for Chris Wallace…. the questioning of a Florida Democrat spokeswoman by the name of Wasserman. Was floored when she immediately blamed the “Republican controlled” Florida Legislature for the current deligate mess. Fortunately, Mr. Hume interrupted her to ask who had introduced the bill which had moved the primary up…. she admitted that a democrat had…. when she tried to reiterate her blaming of Republicans… he again interrupted, asking if one Democrat Representative or Senator had voted against the bill… she stumbled “no”, but testily scolded Mr. Hume for asking inappropriate quesitons. WHAT!?!?! Sounds like the same old Democrat tactic…. blame George Bush first, then whatever republican comes to mind, rather than taking a bit responsibility. She looked ridiculous. Mr. Hume did an excellent job of keeping the interview real, and keeping to the subject, which was what strategies were available for Democrats to resolve the problems with Florida and Michigan deligates.

Strikes me that if Democrats cannot foresee such a problem in the nominating process in their own party, and make provision for it beforehand, how in the world can they deal with running the country. We’re at war! Do we really need hysterical, incompetent, blundering?

Is this nation going to allow a candidate to be elected campaigning in only a handful of states? I want a president of all 50 states. Clinton will only be the president of… 15 states… maybe? What about the rest of us?

Obama has a lead in delegates and will end with a big lead in delegates but watch Hillary will try and steal the nomination with the super delegates

This is a challenge to anyone in the Democratic regime.
Please post for the people the rule, Article or Amendment in the DNCs Charter or Bylaws that specifically says votes can be stripped from any American.
I read the rule book.
THERE IS NO RULE OR PUNISHMENT THAT SAYS STRIP VOTES!
The DNC is breaking their own laws,…Not Florida or Michigan.
I challenge anyone out there to prove me wrong.
Until then, count our votes as is.
The Candidates should have read the DNC rule book, instead of trusting Howard Dean’s decision without checking first.
I challenge anyone to prove me wrong.

how about that NY governor what say we put all these political elected officials on the new show about telling the truth

Why does the media protect these people. I was thirty five before I knew Rock Hudson Was gay. What happened to investigative Reporting or is it easier To Just go with who gets caught today

I believe that the original votes must count. I am not from either state and did not vote Democratic although I cross lines regularly and vote for the candidate of choice irregardless of party.

Both candidates were on the ballot in Florida. Obama’s decision to not campaign is no different from any other candidate. Do we have to revote in every state where one or more candidates choose to not campaign? It would seem to me as a Floridian voter that Hillary cared enough about my vote to campaign. I wonder if Obama would have campaigned if all the Hispanic population was black.

In regards to Michigan, Obama did not want to be on the ballot? What kind of thinking was that? Either he cares nothing about the voters or this was a political strategy to ensure that the votes would not count. Why be on the ballot in Florida and not Michigan unless you were trying to devise a legal recourse should they decide to count the votes? That does not speak of change, but more of the same old back-handed politics. So count the votes as is!

In reading the rhetoric about Republicans voting for the weaker of the two candidates, I can only shake my head. With that mindset, no race should be counted since Romney backed out. No Republican state has really mattered since, so all voters could be crossing over and voting for the “weakest link”. We wonder why other countries think we are immoral when we think we are too. Please give the cast amount of Americans more credit than this.

In closing, this seems to be the perfect year to change the process and have a single day primary vote. That would negate some of the media’s influence into our Presidency. I for one am tired of slanted journalism!

Let it stand the way it is!.Clinton won florida!,An for Michigan,Obama took his name off the ballot.NO BODY MADE HIM!!!.For once in this crooked a– campaign be fair to senator clinton.God knows its been obamaobamobama.Since the start.Now he gets somewhere he shouldn,t even be in this campaign.Thanks to the media!!.Florida spoke who they wanted!.An he shouldn,t have removed his name in Michigan.But you can,t count out fl.an michigan.In this campaign.There part of this UNITED STATES!.An just because obama is doing better than he expected!.Doesn,t mean rerig the votes to favor him.That is crooked as HELL!Can,t we have one clean an fair election in this going to the dogs country!.Its getting kinda sad,How crooked our politicans,media,an government is getting.

No re-vote, too late to change the rules, sorry everyone knew and did not mind until Clinton was losing, folks keep it honest

We HAVE to stop Rodam Hussein.

WHY are SO many poeple turning in to cult members with their eyes rolling in ther back of their head for Osama Hussien?

How the HELL could we put this guy in the white house when we KNOW he is going to sit down with the terrorsts?!?!?? He says this and IS PROUD OF IT!!!

WTF?!?!?!?

WAKE UP Obama sheep! He IS NOT the black JESUS. Don’t be SO STUPID

Both states knew the consequenses of holding early elections, therfore those that decieded to have them early need to hold themselves accountable and figure out how to fix the problem instead of continually searching for someone else to blame.

If the vote is going to be done again in Fl and MI, then all of the primaries should be done over too. There should be one day to vote like the general election. The independents should not be allowed to vote in the primary. The way it is now each state has a different set of rules. Some can vote twice. There are primaries and then there are caucauses. If the candidate wins the popular vote then they should have all the delegates for that state. Why should any of us vote if the delegate to the covention can vote any way he/she wants. I thought elections were about the PEOPLE deciding who they want to be elected. I thought in a democracy the majority rules.

I think the only fair way to seat delegates, preserve at least some relevance for the DNC and move on is the 50-50 delegate split idea.
The cost is a major issue but the relative advantage/disadvantages to each candidate and the damage done to the party will be debated for decades if the DNC and candidates agree to a redo of any kind.

I’m from the “other” party but it looks from the posts that you guys are gonna kill each other over this and make it too easy for us to win. What fun would that be?

I don’t understand why people are blaming the Governor or the Legislature at all for this mess. It is their duty, not the DNC, or any other Party(i.e. Republican, Green, Libertarian, Independent or whoever else) to set the date for the election. Can you imagine if the Libertarian Party wanted Flordia or Michigan to hold the election later for their benefit and the Independents wanted theirs held in the middle and the Greens wanted theirs right away. Lets get real. Can you imagine the cost of holding all of these elections at the time any Party wants to? The states can’t tell the DNC how to run their organization. What right does the DNC have to tell any state what date to have an election? The states of Florida and Michigan held an election. Votes were cast. Votes were counted. It is up to the DNC to see if they will matter.

As I’ve said before, it isn’t just the DNC, but the candidates as well that went along with trying not to count the votes. Why would anybody even want to consider supporting a candidate that shows such a lack of leadership and judgement?

As for the “re-vote”, the original elections were certified. What gives the DNCthe right to “uncertify” them? They can’t possibly have a “re-do”. There are countless reasons why this would be “unfair”. They won’t have time to seat a candidate for the general election with all of the lawsuits that will be flying around. Oh, wait, maybe the DNC will just ask for the General election to be postponed, if not, maybe they will not count them anyway and just have another “do-over”.

One more thing about the cost of a re-vote. If the DNC is saying that a certified election is to be re-done, why don’t they reimburse the people of the states of Florida and Michigan for having the original election. Right now they are only trying to consider the costs of the “re-do” itself, merely the paper ballots and postage. There are many other costs such as the judicial system being tied up for a very lengthy period of time. Once again, it appears the DNC can’t see more than a day out at a time. They need to understand the consequences of their actions ahead of time. If they are this fiscally irresponsible with the taxpayers money now, wait until they get to the Whitehouse! It appears the DNC and the candidates have no foresight whatsoever. Residents of Florida and Michigan, I have a tremendous amount of sympathy for you. Hang onto your wallets, you’re about to be taken to the cleaners again.

Karla…thank you for writing! I like to hear when people feel as I do. I am speaking on the fact the Clintons have lowered the values of this country. I agree joking about her husbands messing around is wrong. The Hillary voters choose to be blind.. I would think they would get tired of having to defend the Clintons all the time. I will never respect Hillary because she allowed her husband to make Monica out to be a stalking pyscho to try and cover his butt…be a man admit you messed up and move on ..but don’t try to destroy a young girls life to keep your butt in the White House…no one can deny they would have put that girl through the shredder if not for that blue dress. That is just wrong…put your daughter, neice, grandaughter in her situation..yea she was 21 but she was still young…all women need to look in the mirror if they choose Hillary.

Let’s see. to re-do or not re-do!! IF the Dems get a re-do in FL and MI to count all the delegates, will the Repubs get a chance to do a re-do so they get all the delegates instead of only half? That’s right. They don’t have the problem. I don’t like Edwards at all, but should he get a chance too?
WHAT A MESS!!

Don’t waste any money on this–you can’t unring the bell. Florida and Michigan should take their cases to the Credential Meetings of the DNC and argue that the people voted and that’s it. For the Democratic Party to disenfranchise voters will be setting the worst precedence ever–especially since Florida’s primary date was changed by a Republican legislature! I would expect the DNC to waive the delegate penalties and seat the delegates if they want a party left in November.

Now that I really think about this, it’s nuts to try to unring the bell! FL & MI should just go to the Credential Meetings and present their cases–their state delegates will either count or not count at this point. Neither candidate will have enough regular delegates to get the nomination anyway. Since Obama claims he wants to play by the rules, play by them…. The Supers will decide the race anyway and I think each candidate should go before the 700+ Supers and make their case to them…. Each candidate can argue the merits of the votes cast and which states they can take in the fall–they can ask the Supers to consider FL & MI in their minds regardless if they count or not; and then let the Supers decide for themselves… The big picture is to have strongest candidate represent the Democratic Party in the fall, isn’t it? Then we just need to add the Super delegate counts to the State delegate counts and we have…. End of Primary with a Democratic Nominee! (The backslash to the party is if they decide not to count FL & MI…. But you’re going to have backlash with a re-do anyway if they aren’t done in the same fashion that the elections were originally run.) Any thoughts of this scenario being possible?

Why should Fl. or Mi. votes count? The turnout in Wy. was so large for the Dem. Caucuses they turn people away. I thought every vote counted. If we do not count or even have a chance to count in the election process then why bother. It is left up to the electorial college when it comes down to it anyway. We had record turn outs here in Wy and it would have been greater had they not closed the caucusing early. I think truthfully they should re-do Fl. and Mi. and at the same time let ALL the people of Wy. be heard. Hillary actually led in early polling here which the results do not show. Very strange! If Obama is the nominee I am changing my party affiliation and voting for McCain hoping strongly that Romney is his running mate. Obama is not about change people he is about LOVING HIS MOTHER LAND of AFRICA go to his church site and see for yourselves. He has no experience and I would rather vote for an old wrinkled prune than someone who says this election is not about race. Read the FoxNews story on his win in Miss. it quotes race many times we are in a world of hurt if he becomes the nominee.

I think Jo Anne is right. The DNC was set up and has set up in its by-laws, to give ALL americans a voice and all votes to count. It frustrates me to no end that this went on in Fl and Mi but you must understand it happened in Wyoming too. People stood in lines for HOURS, me being one of them to have their vote “count” but Wy was a little different they just closed the caucusing early, which made people head home without the chance to vote. I do not think Hillary wanted to not have your votes count, I watched the story about this and she said if that was the rules of the DNC then she would follow their judgement. Not verbatim but she never once said she did not want it to count. I think the Dem Party wants it to go all the way with neither of them getting the nom that way it can be decided at the convention, which is decided by the delegates not the people. like I said before if Obama gets the Nomination I am voting McCain I truthfully think the voting system is broken and it should go back like the old days, go to your fire hall, library and vote and it is not decided until ALL votes are counted nation wide no more electorial college no more DNC no more RNC just run a honest no frills campaign and let WE THE PEOPLE decide not elected officials who make up the elctorial college who make their choice because it is what they think the people want let our voices, or ballots count in all 50 states plus territories count, and as for Mr Sharpton I support his acheivements but let this be about the people. To many people use the word SUE if we want this to work for us, our elected senators and congressmen need to pass laws to help the people, so lobby them thank you for letting me ramble but we are all in the same boat

As a Legal voter in Florida I would like to thank you all for sticking up for us!
We need reasonable people to help us right this wrong!
Thank you, Thank you!!
Jo Anne Moretti.

The DNC has no rule to strip votes ever. We in Florida, read the DNC’s Charter and Bylaws
The 10th Amendment to the Constitution gives states the right to choose their primary dates. The DNC recognizes this in their Charter. Having Iowa and N.H. vote first has become tradition, not law!
Floridians knew this when we VOTED IN PROTEST!
These people that comprise the DNC’s membership are Senators, Congressmen, Governors, Reps, etc.
They should read the Charter they swore to uphold when they joined that organization.
The Constitution of the United States is another that they swore to uphold.
Neither of those Documents have provision for stripping votes, EVER!
Florida’s vote was legal. Count our votes and seat our Delegates, AS IS!
Do you really want the Candidates named in a lawsuit?
They swore to uphold the Constitution in their Day Job as Senators.
We think that oath trumps any oath they swore to any organization

Jo Anne…I have really been thinking about you situation in Florida and Michigan. I had been on the side tha you dlegates should be seated but have reconsideed. I don’t thnk your deleates should be seated. I think itwould be wrong to do a do over becasue Edwardsis ould no longer be on the ticket who knows maybe he would have picked up some delegates. Atually this is what I think you should do demand immedialy he resignation of Howard Dean and the entire DNC committee (evidently they don’t really care about the voters), froce Hillary and Obama to come to you states for a town hall meeting with just the average joes of the states (not their in state political flunkys). Questin them on why they choose to agree to punishing your states by not counting your votes or seatng your delegates. Do not let them off the hook aske what they were thinking by trying to disenfrachise you but now wanting to come up with a plan to seat you when they are afraid of a backlash. Do not make it easy on them, make them win your vote this fall.

Dear Utah Independent.
Having the candidates come here might be a good idea. I am sure we could ask why they would violate an oath to uphold the Constitution, when they were sworn in as Senators.
The 1oth Amendment is included in that oath.
I think Howard Dean needs to apologize to Florida, the Democratic National Committee, the Candidates for involving them in this direct violation of the Constitution, and above all, The People of The United States of America, for screwing up an election that involves All of us!
He is trying to divide this country!
48 states this election. How many next election?
It will be common practice then if it is allowed now!
I appreciate you responding.

92% of black voters went for Obama yesterday

44% of TOTAL voters were African American

So… simple math he started the day with +40%

Go and try to catch up……

I would like to see if … In Pennsylvania similar thing happen to Hillary…

Ok… let’s say that she gets 70% of White voters… well get ready and

expect Jesse Jackson to protest this vote claiming racism…

Really! Who has been voting along racial lines since the beginning of the campaign????

Florida and Michigan should count 2008!

P.

Dear Utah Independent.
The Candidates are not off the hook.
If they want to be President they should be forced to read the United States Constitution.
There will be a test!
The Dnc’s Charter also claims to support the Constitution, but that’s a proven lie!
Clinton and Obama are Senators, both of them! The agreed under “oath” to uphold the Constitution!
The Constitution covers voting rights and states rights.
Maybe the Democrats should read the Constitution and the DNC’s Charter, instead of taking Howard Dean’s word for it!
He lied to the Candidates, but they should have checked the legality, before signing on to Dean!
Up with the party,…to hell with the people!
That is the message we in Florida received!

Jo Ann…you do not need an apology you need to throw those people out. Big Whoop they apologize than go about their business. Democrats need to send a message to the party leaders like they sent to you. The candidates sure didn’t think you were important enough to them for the nomination but now realize they may need you in the fall they will fawn all over you and use you for their own purposes. Don’t let them pull the wool over your eyes. You are now just a way for them to win the White House.

Dear Utah Independent.
We will not forget in November.
Floridians are pledging to remind each other of the kick in the teeth we received, evn though they know it was a legal election.
We will not ever take the chance of losing our right to vote, “again”!
We guerd our rights with our lives down here.
We will not let them succeed in stripping even one American’s vote. It started here. We will end that practice here, before it spreads to all the states.
I know of nobody ready to take that chance again, especially in November when the REAL VOTES COUNT!
We have another primary coming up in the summer.
The Florida Democrats should stand up now or fall then.
We will trow the bums out.
They took an oath to uphold the Constitution too. Violation of voter’s rights and states rights is grounds for dismissal.
We are not fools here anymore.
Burn us once, shame on you!
Burn us twice, shame on us!

Man, my typing is terrible today. Sorry about that!

I hope all Floridians are as mad about this as you. I hope you hold all of the candidates accountable because I really tink you ae right if it can happen in Florida and Michigan it can happen to all of us. Do you think they thought they could get away with it because both Michigan and Florida have majority of older voters.

I am DONE with the DNC…
I am told you all before I was a IN. I voted by person not party before.
BUT after the DNC has shown its true colors this year.
I WILL never vote for anyone that put’s a (D) on their name…
I really believe Howard dean Set this up for Obama. He does not like the clinton’s.
Everyone knew Hilllary would be running this year. been planed for years.
SO he knew Obama would not win MI and FL . FL on the senor vote…
SO HE TRYED TO RIG THE ELECTION FOR HIS GOLDEN CHILD…
I AM DONE…
THERE can be no fair re do. AT least in MI people (dem) where told their votes would not count to cross and vote for the weakest republicain. FOR THEM TO VOTE AGAIN WOULD GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE THE DEM and THE REWPUBLICAN SIDE…. UGH…
I HOPE COMRADE HOWARD DEAN GET HIS….

Howard Dean should step down or be overthrown by the DNC members.
Violating the Constitution “and”the DNC’s Charter is grounds for termination!
Every American has a right to vote and to have that vote count! Sound familiar Howard Dean?

The Dnc is using Florida and Michigan to threaten the other 48 states into compliance!
The states decide when primaries are held.
Check out the 10th Amendment in the US. Constitution.
Your rights are under assault, not just Florida and Michigan!

Jo Anne
I total agree… The DNC has became so corupt they dont have a clue.
They are almost to the point of take over of the US.
Lets look at some of the top players now in the DNC..
Howard DEAN and this feeasko… UGH.!!!
Nancy Paloski and other top congressmen BLOCKING a vote on FISA.. NOW like FISA OR NOT.
FISA PASSED THE SENATE BY 60 + (I THINK 68) votes… Their is only like 40 some Republicans in SENATE. SO it was BI partisin passed in the SENATE.
NOW the House has enough Dem’s that want it passed it would pass there too…
BUT BECOUSE NANCY AND A SELICT FEW DONT LIKE IT. THEY WILL NOT LET IT GT TO THE FLOOR FOR VOTE…….
If it did not pass on it’s own. That is american and the american way…
BUT BLOCKING IT FROM VOTE.???? NOT AMERICAN IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM…
SOUND’S A LITTLE LIKE THE DNC IN FL AND MI VOTE TOO… RIGHT??????

BY the “sounds a little like fl and mi vote…”
What I mean is you dont like the vote.. JUST don’t let it count…
WAKE UP AMERICA…. THE DNC is TAKEING YOUR RIGHT’S AWAY

Does Carl Cameron have any relatives that work for the republican nominee this time (Like he did during the Bush campaign) or will his reporting be “fair & balanced”?

Gringo

Florida and Michigan should not count…hillary won those states by her name recognition only. No one was allowed to go there and campiagn and tell the voters who they were, so unless you knew the candidates before, and their message and ideas, you voted for whoever was the most popular from before.

Plus, Florida is full of old Republican Cuban “American” refugees who are permitted to vote, but would rather live in Cuba once communisim is finished and they can go back to the good old days of 90% poor 10% rich ala Enron, WorldCom, etc….

In addition, Florida is full of old people widow women who only want to see a women in the White House, not matter who it is.

I think GENDER has played a larger role than race has for certain. Some have used their gender to benefit them. A woman can attack a man, but a man can not attack a woman without looking like a bully. I am speaking of campaigns.

Cheers,
Gringo

Dear DPG I agree somewhat.
When any organization is so arrogant to think they are more powerful than the people, the need to be stopped.
The states decide when to hold thier voting in the Primaries. Not the DNC!
It is written in the Bill of Rights!
Florida is trying to say this, but people are mistaking it for endorsement of one candidate over the other.
That is not the case.
This is about WE The PEOPLe vs. the DNC!
We have gone so far beyond the candidates!
They are just a memory now!
They both agreed to this!
Even though as Senators they both swore to uphold the constitution!
They took that same pledge when they joined the DNC.
Now that oath has been violated by agreeing to strip even one vote, let alone millions.
If it is allowed here, it is allowed in your states as well!
Don’t piss off the DNC, even if you do it legally. You will lose your rights too!
Don’t worry about November. They will not take Florida!
We will have our rights back by then,….or will we?

Florida is full of wonderful, Patriotic people.
Yes there are old people here. They are your parents, grandparents, retired professionals and a huge population of war Veterans!
There are doctors, lawyers, bankers, real estate agents, working mothers and fathers.
They would lay down their lives for this country. Many already have!
This is the number one tourist destination in the country.
We pay Federal taxes too.
The racial blend is the best of all. We have a population that represents every race, religion and culture.
We voted on our Legal Election Day.
We came out in record numbers!
We voted as a protest! Check the numbers!
Count those votes and seat our delegates. It’s the LAW!

The Dems will lose this election. History does have a way of repeating itself.

All Americans should read this paper and ask our politically motivated media why there has been no one Vetting a person who wants to be our president. History will be made in the 2008 Election but it will further divide us as a nation for political gain.

http://kennethelamb.blogspot.com/2008/02/barak-obama-questions-about-ethnic.html

Ask Al Sharpton if he knows why he can’t drum up a crowd of supporters in Florida. He has been here 3 days!
Floridians are angry at the DNC and all Democratic party officials, especially our own!
They did this when they turned their backs on us!

Comment by Gringo
March 12th, 2008 at 2:22 pm

HEY GRINGO ARE YOU COMRADE HOWARD DEAN BY CHANCE.?????
You don’t like they way they may vote so don’t count them… ???
YEA thats american….

Joe Anne….

Which “law” are you speaking of?

DPG:

The rules are the rules…..If those two states were allowed to be seated and it permited the Obama and Edwards campign the right to go there and introduce themselves, then that would be different.

Obama was not even ON the Mi ballot! How are you claiming that these “votes” should count?

How many people in both states NOT vote because they knew before hand that their vote would not count?

Simply saying that “their vote should count” is not telling the entire story is it?

Iowa was supposed to be a hillary win, until Obama campaigned there and spoke to the people…then Obama won Iowa. The same thing could have occured in Florida an Michigan.

They should not be seated as it was already agreeded upon beforehand. Don´t change the rules after the game has already been played, that is not fair to the voters.

Make the Democratic nominee pay in the fall for the arrogance of agreeing not to count all votes and when DNC whines about making every vote count in the general election with the lawyers at the ready remind them of the fool hardiness in disenfranchising those within their own party.

Dear Gringo.
The Constitution of the United States has a section called “The Bill of Rights”
The 10th Amendment says the states have the right to decide their Primary dates.
The DNC has a Charter. The link to it is on their website.
Their Charter says the states have the right to choose their primary date.
Having N.H. and Iowa start the caucuses is only a “tradition” not a rule.
Neither the Constitution or the DNC’s Charter and Bylaws has any provision for stripping votes.
All members are sworn to uphold the Constitution when they join.
All Senators are sworn to uphold the Constitution when they are sworn into office.
Therefore, by agreeing to strip even one vote, Howard Dean and both Candidates are in violation of that oath, swearing to uphold both the Constitution and the DNC’s Charter.

The DNC’s website also has a contact link where you can voice your opinion.

Dear Utah Independent.
That is definitely the plan Floridians have.
We are not on punishment in November!
The real vote happens then.
Those little old ladies Gringo spoke of have families and friends in every state in this country!
They are speaking to each other. The Democrats are in for a battle in November. Compliments of the little old ladies in Florida!
The rest of the residents here are on their side too!

Dear Gringo.
You bummed me out a little when you were ranking out old people.
We love our little old ladies and little old guys.
We open and hold doors for them. We help them with their groceries. We drive them to appointments. We even tolerate the driving.
That is why they are in Florida.
We are nice to them.

REPLY TO
Comment by Gringo
March 12th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Well the real prob. IS THE DNC DID THIS..
THEIR IS NO fair way to fix it now…
A re do would alowe people that crossed over to vote for the weakest republican. The right to vote again. MY LIBRAL BROTHER WAS ONE OF THESE IN MI… I know it happened. He bragged about it.. NOW IF we try to do a re do.
WE ALOWE THOS WHO VOTED FOR A REPUBLICAN IN the 1st one.
TO also vote for a dem. SOMETHING NO ONE IN THE US SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO..
ONE PERSON ONE VOTE…….
COMRADE HOWARD DEAN AND THE REST OF THE DNC LEADERS DID THIS THERE IS NO FAIR FIX LEFT…

NOW WE WILL ALL HAVE TO FIND OUR OWN FIX….. THAT TO ME IS PLAIN…
I USED TO BE A IND. I used to vote by person not party.
BUT NO MORE…. I HAVE CHANGED MY PARTY TO REPUBLICAN.
AND I WILL NEVER EVER VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT AGAIN IN MY LIFE….

Dear DPG.
You touched on another good point.
How will the cross party votes affect the outcome of a do-over?
They have to allow any voter the right to switch parties up until 29 days before the election, here in Florida.
That is another right American’s have.

JAS, I’m with you. It’s Hillary or I’m off voting for McCain. It’s funny, MSM says Hillary voters will stick with Obama but not the reverse, and that’s why he’s more electable. I don’t think the DNC has a clue how strong people that are voting for Hillary are Anti-Obama. I cannot possibly vote for Obama–the more I read about him, the worse it gets. And when I look at what he’s done in the Senate (other than campaigning), I don’t see the substance there worthy of my vote.

DPG is right.
The Republicans and Independents can switch to Democrat and be elidgible to vote in a do-over.
That is a recipe for corrupting the outcome, as well as those Democrats who did not vote in the original primary.
Good one DPG!

Thank You Jo Anne
Sorry I forgot spell ck on the last one. I am dyslexic and have trouble getting words right.
But I for one WILL be in COURT IF THEY DO A DO OVER… I will Drag My sorry A@@ brother in for PROF …
ALL OF US NEED TO STAND UP… NO ONE DESERVES MORE THAN ONE VOTE….
AND YOU CAN NOT LET A SELECT FEW VOTE TWICE…. WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF US….???
BY the way MI is a open primary like Ohio. You just ask for Dem or Rep ballet at the poll’s.

I just was watching Brit Hume’s report.
He had clips of Senators Clinton and Obama discussing this issue.
Mrs. Clinton seemed more reasonable and willing to re-think that terrible decision that started this whole soap opera. Mr. Obama didn’t want to budge from his original stance.
Howard Dean has led them both down the wrong path. He has stripped freedom, not supported it!
I am absolutely disgusted with the arrogance!

Obama camp are so afraid that these delegates be seated becuse Senator Hillary will crushed their lead and will eventually win the nomination of DNC Party. They will do all they can to nullify the votes of these Floridians and Michigan electorates. This is the HOPE AND CHANGE THAT OBAMA PROMISES TO ALL AMERICANS – THAT THEY ARE WILLING AND READY TO STOP AND BETRAYED ANYBODY OF THEIR RIGHTS OF SUFFRAGE JUST TO ACHIEVED THEIR GOAL OF PRESIDENCY.

Obama should be fair for reporting through media that all candidates did not campaign in Florida and – ALTHOUGH HE DID NOT CAMPAIGN IN PERSON IN FLORIDA HE HAS A CAMPAIGN AD RUNNING ALL DAY – ALL OVER FLORIDA TELEVISIONS WHICH GAVE HIM MUCH MORE
ADVANTAGE THAN SENATOR CLINTON WHO HAS NO AD IN TELEVISION.

Rev. Al Sharpton should be telling his listeners about this TELIVISION AD by OBAMA in FLORIDA.
and Senator Clinton has none. WHICH GAVE OBAMA MUCH MORE ADVANTAGE OVER HER.

YET THE FLORIDIANS VOTED FAVORING SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON…

The Obama camp are trying to spin this without reporting this important facts in their favor…

You CHEATED BY HAVING THE AD and yet people did not voted for you… THAT’S A FACT!!!

SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT IN ‘08…

Jo

How do you feel about both Clinton and Obama, as well as the DNC, agreeing to deprive the voters of their basic right of a vote? Doesn’t this show their lack of leadership and judgement? Why would you want to support either candidate?

Now both Obama and Clinton say the Delegates from Florida and Michigan “SHOULD” be seated!
Where were their heads when they agreed to this blatant Constitutional violation?
Now they are squabbling about how it should be done.
I will tell you how.
Apologize to both states. Then count our votes as is!
We voted. You screwed it up yourselves.
Deal with the results of your mistake!
Then re-take your oath to uphold the Constitution that you took when you were sworn in as Senators. That oath trumps any oath taken to any organization.
Also tell America the rule to strip votes was just made up and isn’t in the DNC’s Charter yet!
There is no rule!

Jo Ann…If all it took was some one as weak as Howard Dean to lead Clinton and Obama down the path to not counting your votes you have a lot more problems than being seated. What kind of judgement does that show total disregard for two states and what about Obama’s hope, change, new way to do politics yet he agreed with the old guard and didn’t stand up for Florida and Michigan rights. He had so much disdain for Michigan he even took his name off. Only reason they are making nice with those tow states now is they know how important they are to their election in November.

Dear Utah Independent.
You are absolutely right.
Floridians have long memories.
We were “dissed” as the kids say.
The Candidates showed total disregard for the American voters in every state by trying a stunt like that!
This election my state. Next election maybe your state, or even worse, “Every” state.
This needs to stop before it gets a chance to spread.
Stripping votes from Americans!!!
How dare they????

Here’s a suggestion that I think the National DNC and the State of Florida and the two campaigns should consider. It’s a compromise that I think would serve everyone very well — and accomplish everyone’s goals:

So, here’s the solution:

The DNC should not remove the penalty – but CHANGE it to the same one assigned by the Republicans – exactly half of the number of delegates will be seated. In that way, both parties have delegates seated, both parties receive a penalty, but the 2.5 million voters still have a significant voice. And voters won’t be voting for one party or the other based on a penalty of the primary results. I think they would see it as fair.

Hillary had 49% of the vote, so she gets 42 (171 * .49 *.5). Barack had 33% of the vote so he gets 28 delegates (171 *.33 * .5). John Edwards receives 13 delegates (171*.5*.15). Both Barack, Hillary, and John must stipulate that there will be NO wrangling over the 15 votes for John Edwards – they stay with him. This will be in exchange for accepting this compromise.

This gives Hillary a net gain of 14 over Barack. She will see that as a victory (though the public will recognize the asterisk* as being a contest where they could not campaign). Barack does have a lead that might be able to afford that.

The super-delegates in Florida must agree not to vote entirely for one candidate or the other based on the popular vote – and recognize that the percentages could have definitely been much different if there had been campaigning.

1. The DNC wants to ensure that states follow the rules and don’t hold early primaries and yet they don’t want to turn off Florida voters to the Democratic party. Also, they want to spend their donors hard-earned dollars on the general election.

2. The taxpayers (or the party) don’t pay for an election where there could be a very high risk of fraud and problems. (Despite Oregon’s use of the mail-in ballot, Florida’s population and the participation would be much, much larger than theirs). The State of Florida held one certified election, spent money, and I think any do-over could result in being overturned by a court.

3. Hillary wants more delegates.

4. Barack is willing to take more delegates also. He was handicapped in the same way as Hillary by the no-campaigning in Hillary – but probably lost more than she because she obviously has had a great deal more press in the preceding the primary. The win for him is that he’s able to save his campaign money for the general election.

5. Both candidates can concentrate on the upcoming contests and Michigan – where they do need to do a real do-over.

The major victory for the Democratic party is that this eliminates a lot of negative press and drama that is tarnishing their reputation (to use the kindest words I can). It also gives the two campaigns enough time to devote to the upcoming primaries and to Michigan – where they need a real do-over (and where maybe the DNC should apply the same penalty – loss of half – but not ALL) of the delegates. In this way – the rules and penalties aren’t completely thrown out – so some sense of fairness can be seen by the other 48 states and the public.

What do you think?

As a Michiganer I have one fundamental question. Does the DNC have rules and by-laws, or not ? Currently it appears that the rules and by-laws are handled like kids playing games, we change them as we need them. Not that that surprises me of the DNC but what a way to put your worst side forward to the nation.

Dear win, win.
That would be fair, but the DNC wants not only to strip Delegates, but strip American.s votes too!
That is the difference!
Floridians committed NO CRIME!
We voted. That is not a crime!
There is no rule anywhere that permits stripping votes, even in the DNC’s Charter, that the Democrats somehow believe is more powerful than the US Constitution!
That is too much power!

Dear Utah Independent.
Finally, the people are getting legal back up from National Legal Organizations.
I understand on Monday Floridians start to unleash the lawyers.
This issue, if not resolved quickly could hold up the national Election.
This is not about the Candidates. This is about the people.
The US vs. the DNC.
If votes are stripped in two states, soon it will be “all” states that get stripped.
It will be common practice by the next election.

This is the Party of America? The rules were set prior to voting with the consequences ACCEPTED. They don’t get a do-over! What are they not willing to do to manipulate the process and the law when they don’t like the circumstances? How can the hypocrisy of these people go on and to what lengths will they go? Is it any wonder the people of this country, in large part, can’t figure out right from wrong and truth from lie? It is not all subjective, there is an honest way to behave and to speak about your beliefs.

Hi Gra.
Stripping Delegates is not the issue.
Stripping Legal American votes is the issue.
The news media that keeps saying Florida broke a rule is partly at fault.
They obviously have never read the DNC’s Charter, or the Bill of rights!
Florida broke no rule or law!
There are no provisions in either of those documents for stripping votes.
Counting votes is the law!

Dear Gra.
Maybe Howard Dean should hold a news conference.
He should be holding a copy of the DNC’s Charter.
He should have the DNC’s rule, that was “IN PLACE” Jan. 29th, that shows votes can be stripped from any American for Any reason.
He should also be able to quote the 10th Amendment of the Bill of Rights, that he swore to uphold in his day job.He should point to the section allowing stripping of American votes for Any reason.
That would put this to bed!

A lot of people are down on Florida.
Make Howard Dean prove we broke a rule.
That should be easy!

I wasn’t aware that a fair resolution meant that whatever favors Hillary! I guess we shouldn’t be surprised, she spoke out yesterday like it was all her decision. She is like a big hot-air balloon and I can’t wait until her fire is out! Just in case no one is paying attention, Pennsylvania or not, Obama is winning. I don’t understand why no one in the media will actually say that – even with Hillary’s silly notion of him for VP – FACT CHECK HILLARY FANS – OBAMA IS WINNING AND THE DELEGATE NUMBER IS GROWING. If Hillary were ahead with delegates, then I suppose she would be saying that delegates matter, but since she is losing, delegates don’t matter. He is ahead in the popular vote, states won and pledged delegates. And considering the caliber of people that Hillary ties her sails to (Spitzer) she will be losing more superdelegates over the next six weeks. I also don’t understand why no one can see that it is the republicans voting for her, so she can lose against McCain. she doesn’t have the support of democrats…..talk about disenfranchised people. If she manages to cheat her way onto the ticket for November, I and many others that I know, will never bother voting again. Why bother, when it comes down to the person who has the most people in their pocket and can cheat better wins? That doesn’t sound like someone who even cares about people or their opinions, just a self-serving power hungry “monster” who will stop at nothing to get what she wants. And that, my friends, is the truth!!!!

IF HILLARY SUPPORTERS CONTINUE TO CALL BARAK OBAMA A MUSLIM, THEN I WILL BEGIN CALLING HILLARY A RACIST…..

A lie is a lie and fair is fair……

Jo,

The ad you are refering to about Sen. Obama was an ad that was a national ad on a national channel, that was sent everywhere and not addressed to the Florida voters themselves. Clinton had national ads that were seen in Florida as well.

Let`s tell the entire truth ok?

Instead of all this infighting, we should “all”ask Howard Dean to prove his stance!
Show us the rules that were broken!
Tell America where this rule is written or located!
It should be very easy to prove, UNLESS THERE IS NO RULE!

You do know, if they have a re-do in Florida and the results come out different than they did in January, there will be two contested elections instead of one.
These politicians are still not thinking ahead!
This could take years to resolve in court!

Howard Dean, produce the rule that started this!
You can’t, because there is no rule to ever strip votes from any American!

Any elected official who agreed to the stripping of American votes is in violation of their own oath to uphold the Constitution!
Agreeing to strip votes is a “direct violation of that oath”!
They should all be voted out, while you still can vote them out!

Why do you all think Howard Dean isn’t out in front of the cameras waving a copy of the Dnc’s Charter or the Constitution???????
There is no rule for stripping votes in either of those documents.
The whole country’s election is screwed up, because Howard Dean is trying to swindle the public.
Prove me wrong if you can.
Show me the rule! I challenge this.

Ok, ok, ok….it was not a written rule per say because this was simply a change in the date of the Democratic primary. However, it may not have been a “written” rule, but it WAS an agreement that was agreeded upon by all the campaigns before the results came in.

They may not have broken a rule, or a law, but someone is breaking an agreement by insisting that Fl and Mi are seated in the convention, are they not?

Any agreement they may have made is illegal according to the “rules”!
There is no rule for stripping votes!
Counting votes “is” the rule!
The DNC is who has broken rules!
Count Florida’s votes as is!
Just ask Howard Dean to prove it!
Where is he?
He should be shoving any papers that give him authority to strip votes, down reporters throats!
Where’s the proof Florida or Michigan broke any rules?

Why won’t one news agency ask the DNC for proof Florida and Michigan broke the rules?

The Florida fiasco is so typical of the elitist Democratic Party leaders. They can’t even begin to rule themselves and yet they will stop at nothing to try to persuade massive numbers of Americans to vote for them to rule all of America.

Look at the huge danger Nancy Pelosi et al is putting us in right now by not allowing a vote on the Senate bill that President Bush says is vital to our nation’s security and must be passed immediately.

What a shameful state of affairs for a once great political party.

I suppose Democratic leaders think they can hurl “yes we cans” at the terrorists and that will defend us from a ruthless murdering enemy.

But then, when you think seriously about it, the ladies do swoon in Obama’s penetrating presence. That’s powerful elitist leadership! Maybe the Dems do have something good happening…

http://mittromney.townhall.com

To the voters of Florida and Michigan: Did you not hear that the DNC had stated that the delegates would not be seated at the convention if the Primaries were moved up from the date certain???? I live in CA, and I heard about it!! Who told you to vote despite the warning? Did you not question if the “rules” were viable? Did you question why only Hillary Clinton’s name was the only name on your ballot? Did someone tell you not to worry about the future; it would all be worked out???? In other words, if your vote is not counted toward the delegates, why are you not as “guilty” as the DNC. Do you expect the whole country to accept your DNC Politboro concept in this close election? Ignorance can be cured; Stupidity is forever.

What ever happened to being responsible and standing behind your decision. Who twisted the arms of the FL and MI Democratic party representatives of those states into chaning their primary dates? Aren’t we taught that there are consequences to decisions that we make. When faced with fully understanding the consequences prior to changing their date they decided to change anyway. In my mind it all goes back to something my dear departed grandmother used to say: “a hard head leads to a soft behind”! For those of you not familiar with being responsible that means you take your lumps and let the situation run it’s course. No wonder kids are screwed up in this country the parental figures that should be teaching, modeling and mentoring what’s right and wrong don’t have that figured out themselves.

Has anyone ever read the DNC’s rule that states it was legal to strip American’s votes?
If so, please post a link to that document.
I am under the impression it was the DNC that broke the rules outlined in their own Charter.
See folks, there is no rule for stripping votes.
If so, please produce that document.

This is a quote of Howard Dean as written by Bryan Farrington from AP.
I got it on Wink news in Florida.

“The best option is whatever we can get the candidates to agree with, which puts a vote back in the hands of the people of Florida and Michigan. And that’s going to be not so easy to do,” Dean said.

Now Dean wants the vote back in the hands of the people?
Is that the same people he ruled to strip of that vote? Maybe he realized he crossed the line when he thought he had the authority to ever strip even one American’s vote?
What a turn around this is!!!!!!!
There is no rule to strip votes! Ever! Anywhere! If there is, “where’s the proof”?

Virgina. Before you open your mouth why don’t you get a few facts straight. It was the republican run state in Florida that changed the date of the primaries not the dnc in Florida and not the people of Florida. No one can tell you your vote will not count. The DNC does not override the constitution. NO ONE and I mean NO ONE has the right to suppress you right to vote and your right to have your vote count. No one ask the democrats in Florida what they wanted they just did it.

Regardless if the votes are counted our not the people of Michigan and Florida votes for Clinton. Obama can say he has more delegates and more of the popular vote but that is an illusion. The fact is Hillary won both states and that means that if they don’t count today then they will count in the general election when all the democrats that had their votes stolen from them stay home or vote for McCain. You also can’t use the fact that Obamas wasn’t on the ballot in Michigan. He took it off the ballot himself.

Can you say President McCain. Because the Dem’s can’t win the general election without Florida or Michigan and that is a fact

Barbara

Wasn’t it a DEMOCRAT who introduced the bill to move the primary date up in Florida? Somehow I feel you’re going to say it was the Rebublicans fault in Michigan too. Why do you feel it necessary to blame the Republicans for the mess the Democrats made? Why would you support any candidate who supported the decision to take your right of having your vote count away? The DNC, and candidates made this decision. I feel it shows a lack of leadership and judgement on both candidates part to take away a founding principle of America – the right to have your vote count. Who do they think they are?

What is the worth of the Michigan election? well …
http://www.jabberwonk.com/flinker.cfm?cliid=zydzt

Read this and compare the result to its accuracy. It is amazing. Hillary needs to sacrifice a baby goat to have a chance.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Obamas_projections.html

The country’s election is in an uproar.
Why is Howard Dean getting a Free Pass from the media.
Why has Dean not been made to produce any document giving him authority to strip votes?
Where’s the proof?

Dear Barry.
Yes it was a Democrat who introduced the bill to move up our election.
All the other Democrats here in Florida agreed. The Governor is Republican. He did sign the bill.
Now I hear Democrats saying Governor Crist could have vetoed it. Why would he?
He knew the Democrats were screwing themselves and us!
He also knew Howard Dean and the DNC does not have the authority to strip votes.
Now Floridians could care less about Clinton or Obama. We don’t want those names on our November Ballots.
Why would we vote for anyone who would strip our right to vote?
Does that make sense to thinking people?
The President should guard our rights, not strip them.
I would be surprised if the Democrats get any votes in Florida or Michigan in November!
Your states will get stripped soon enough if this is allowed to happen here! It will be common practice to strip votes if you don’t comply with the DNC’s demands!

Barry.
The lawsuits are starting to go forth on Monday.
All Florida Democrats are named in the suits too.
They violated their oath to uphold the Constitution that they took in their Day Jobs!. The 10th Amendment is included in the Constitution. The right to vote and have that vote count was violated as well.
No organization, public or private is allowed to disregard the US Constitution in it’s practices!
The Membership to the DNC requires all members to swear to uphold the Constitution in their Charter.
They broke their own rules and their “oath”, when they agreed to strip legal American votes for any reason.
The DNC’s Charter and the Constitution have no provision for stripping votes!
That is why they are scrambling to find a way out without admitting wrongdoing!
They were wrong! Not Florida and Michigan.
We read the rules. There is no rule for this!

Hey Barry.
They should have tried a fine first.
Stripping American’s votes is a reason to fight! It’s illegal to strip American’s votes in this country, at least for now!

The DNC discouraged legal voting in Florida and Michigan.
They threatened American’s! They told us our votes won’t count.
Now we know they don’t have that authority now and they didn’t have it then!
That is voter interference! That is illegal too.

I think the lawmakers should learn the law! Floridians are taking a crash course on law too!
We are fighting foe all 50 states! Your vote counts to us! We will try to help you keep it too!
If stripping votes ever becomes legal, we are doomed!
Remember. you can vote your self into slavery, but you can not vote yourself out of it!
Protect your vote with all you have!

in a 1981 and 1975 case, us supreme court ruled party has the right to regulate their nomination and voting process. change party if you dont like the rules.

Dear Character.
That is true, but we are talking about votes, not Delegates.
We also voted for our representatives to represent the people, not the party.
These are sitting, elected officials that swore to uphold the Constitution in their day jobs.
Who do they represent, the DNC or the People?
The DNC’s Charter has no provision for stripping votes. That is party rules.
This is nowhere written, the stripping of votes, even within their own party rules. Howard Dean made up this new rule, after the DNC closed out their session. The DNCs members did not vote to change their Charter. All members are required to uphold the Constitution. That is in their Charter.
There is a link to the DNC’s Charter and bylaws on their website.

Character

Perhaps many people are confused as to what the rules are now. The DNC has two conflicting rules. According to the DNC rules, are they to count the votes or not? The law is very clear in this matter – count the votes. It was a certified election – count the votes. The political party’s are private organizations, so they can determine whatever rules they want for themselves. If the DNC wants to elect Castro, or Dean to head their Party, so be it, but what right do they have to intimidate the voters?

Dear Character.
I forgot to thank you for responding.
Thank you as well, Barry.

I have another question for anyone out there.
If our voting day was in any way illegal, why isn’t the DNC taking Florida and Michigan to court.
I believe our vote was legal according to the 10th Amendment.

again,

Political parties can choose what ever process it deems viable in electing an official. The votes in MI and FL cannot be recognized and will not be recognized as they violated party rules. The case has already been thrown out in court.

here is an older ruling in 1981

http://supreme.justia.com/us/450/107/case.html

Hi Character.
I just read that ruling.
This ruling is in regards to open primaries.
Florida had a closed primary.
This ruling states all declared members of the party have access to national process.
I will go back to your link and post quote and chapter.

I don’t think we have to worry about the vote after seeing the video of Rev. Wright someone who has been Obama’s mentor for twenty years, married him and Michelle, and babtized his two children. Obama is either a follower or a hypocrite. This is the down-fall of Obama. He can’t spin this one. I have never seen so much hate in one church in my life.

The ruling is about party rules as is this one in 1975
http://supreme.justia.com/us/419/477/case.html

It was the government that made this choice. A republican run state government. THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HAVING THEIR VOTES TAKEN AWAY HAD NO CHOICE. They did not get to vote on this. So do you believe that they should be punished and have their constitutional rights taken away? Are we in American or Iran?

I am a republican and I am voting for McCain but I believe that everyone has the right to vote and each and every vote should count. All of you who think that their votes should not count will get a rude awakening. The democrats can not win the general election against McCain with out Florida or Michigan. The people voted. But they won’t vote for you in the general election. Thank god for it too. We don’t need a democrat in office.

Democrats mean big government, big brother watching, big tax’s and then taxed again and again and again. The democrats want to control everything including when you work, eat and sleep and tax you for the privilege of telling you what to do.

Page 450 U. S. 116

The Convention, the Party’s highest governing authority, directed the Democratic National Committee (DNC) to establish a Commission on Party Structure and Delegate Selection (McGovern/Fraser Commission). This Commission concluded that a major problem faced by the Party was that rank-and-file Party members had been underrepresented at its Convention, and that the Party should

“find methods which would guarantee every American who claims a stake in the Democratic Party the opportunity to make his judgment felt in the presidential nominating process.”

Jo Anne: I believe that Howard Dean backs Obama. The people have voted and should not have to vote again. Obama is stating that it wouldn’t be fair to count the votes because he could not campaign in Florida. Well he did campaign with National ads. Hillary did not campaign and still won. Regarding Michigan. No one told Obama that he had to take his name off the ballot. He did that to punish the people of Michigan. That being said, he needs to accept the fact that he lost. No delegates from Michigan should go to Obama.

It is not howard dean who backs obama, it is about rules and regulation.

The FL case had already gone to court and FL lost. The court reference previous supreme court decisions. You must follow party rules or switch parties. simple as that. This is not a case of discrimination or disenfranchised. They said you can vote, but must be in line with party rules. The rules are the rules. And by the way, I live in FL. I would like my vote to count, but guess what, I am a registered independent so I can’t in the the GOP or DNC primaries because i am not affiliated.

http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/litigation/documents/MOTIONforsummaryjudgmentandMemorandumofLawinSupportThereof.pdf

Hi Barbra.
Thank you for responding.
As Chairman of the DNC, I don’t think it is right for Howard Dean to commit to one Candidate or the other.
Howard Dean is getting a free pass by the media.
Why have the news agency asked for proof of his authority to strip votes from any American, never mind millions of Americans?

Jo Anne Moretti

” per curiam established the Convention’s right to decide the Chicago credentials contest, and that this Court’s action in staying, but not vacating, the Court of Appeals’ judgment left that judgment as a res judicata bar to the injunction.

Held:

1. This Court’s per curiam unqualifiedly suspended the operative effects of the Court of Appeals judgment without resolving the merits of the controversy; and petitioners’ res judicata contention is not open for consideration, not having been pleaded and proved in the Circuit Court as required by state law. P P. 485-487.

2. In the selection of candidates for national office, a National Party Convention serves the pervasive national interest, which is paramount to any interest of a State in protecting the integrity of its electoral process, and the Circuit Court erred in issuing an injunction that abridged the associational rights of petitioners and their Party and the Party’s right to determine the composition of its National Convention in accordance with Party standards. P P. 487-491.

14 Ill.App.3d 460, 302 N.E.2d 614, Reversed.”

Sorry Barbara. My mind is getting ahead of my typing!
I meant why “haven’t the news agencies asked for proof?
I thought the rule for them was, “check your facts”! “Check your sources”!
First year journalism students learn that rule!

How do democrats expect to manage something as large as universal healthcare when they can’t even manage to hold a simple primary? Instead of trying to change the rules in the middle, fix them after the election. What sounds reasonable to me would be to hold 3 Super Tuesdays with each having approximately 17 states vote in each. Hold one each month for 3 months. This will give each of the candidates ample time to campaign in each state. Then each election season rotate which group will vote first. This seem like a simple solution that would be fair to all states and I am sure the American people would love to simply and even shorten this insane process we have now. Government officials are supposed to come up with solutions to complex problems, yet they can’t even come up with a simple solution for a pretty simple problem. Where has common sense gone in America?

Dear Character.
Is there anything in that ruling that states the stripping of popular vote is provided for?
I can see them having the Delegate options, but the people’s vote is a separate issue.
I appreciate your responding to my queries.
Thank you.

Jo Anne Moretti,

The votes determines the delegates. You cant count an election that is not recognized by an National party. I ask we all look at this from an objective view. We support who we support, but this is about known rules.

No court will seat this election. as I pointed out, it has been already ruled against. The National party sets the party’s rules. The State has no control over the rules of a National party.

Imagine me suing the GOP because they would not let me vote in their primaries because am a registered independent. What would you say to me? probably, well it’s your choice not to register with the party you would say to me. The rules are the rules.

2. In the selection of candidates for national office, a National Party Convention serves the pervasive national interest, which is paramount to any interest of a State in protecting the integrity of its electoral process, and the Circuit Court erred in issuing an injunction that abridged the associational rights of petitioners and their Party and the Party’s right to determine the composition of its National Convention in accordance with Party standards. P P. 487-491.

My opinion is “party standards” are outlined in the DNC’s Charter.
In the Charter it states the DNC’s rule and core principle is based on the premise every American has the right to vote and to have that vote count.
It further states that the individual states reserve the 10th Amendment rights granted states by the Bill Of Rights.
It further states all members are to swear an oath to uphold the Constitution.
This Charter has no provision for stripping votes.
If there is a rule in the DNC’s Charter allowing the stripping of votes, it is not a written rule, nor was the DNC’s Charter amended to allow such a provision

You are reading the case that was made not the judgment.

Dear Character.
You make valid points, however where is the DNC’s rule for stripping votes?
Please help me find that provision in their Charter, which outlines the Party standards.
My contention is there is no provision for stripping votes.

Jo Anne Moretti ,

I have given you 3 cases where the plaintiffs lost which sites state rules and the US constitution. You can contact the dnc for further clarification.

Dear Character.
Maybe Howard Dean should help us figure this out.
I’m sure he will know what authority he had to make such a ruling and whether the DNC’s Charter was Amended to accommodate this new rule of stripping votes.!
He should be called upon to clarify this authority to the public.
Maybe he will tell us why we should vote in November for any candidate who would strip our vote from us in January.

Character. I
appreciate your helping out.
I will study these cases you have provided.
Thank you again.

People need to stop playing the “race card.” Everyone knows that there are racists in America. Yes, some blacks probably voted for Obama just because he is black and some whites (and Latinos for that matter) probably voted for Clinton because she is white. That being said, I really don’t think that is the only reason most people are voting for each candidate. Look, both Obama and Clinton have virtually the same policies with very minor differences. Therefore, this campaign comes down to a question of personality, character, and integrity and Obama is clearly better than Clinton on those qualities. Yes, black people are voting for Obama overwhelmingly, but can’t anyone see that if two candidates have the same policies that blacks would chose to elect the first black president over the other no matter who it is? Blacks are not voting on race alone. If they did Jesse Jackson would have done a lot better in his run for president. The Clinton camp keeps talking about democracy and that everyone should have their right to vote and for it to count….and I agree. But no one can tell someone how to vote and why. This is America and in American anyone can vote for anyone they choose for whatever reason they choose. And FYI-I don’t support either of these 2 candidates, I’m for McCain. I just really don’t like Clinton trying to do anything and I mean anything to get elected. That’s not the America I know or want in the future.

Dear Character.
I believe you are right about contacting the DNC for further clarification.
Howard Dean should be called upon to tell the people of this Country how, why and by what authority he has to make such a ruling.
We should ask him what documents he is going by to validate his ruling.
He should be asked if the DNC’s Charter and Bylaws were amended and when that amendment was adopted into The Dnc’s Charter.
Maybe that would help us all.
Let’s call on him to explain his rule in lay men’s terms to all of us..

Well I guess the Democrats ARE for change……change the rules in the middle. Is this really the kind of change we want in America? And now millions of dollars are going to be wasted for a re-do? Is this the kind of fiscal responsibility that we want in America? Not to mention that the outcome will really not matter all that much because the “super delegates” are going to pick the nominee anyway.

Dear Character.
Are you still there?
Is there a way to count the popular vote and let the DNC’s members fight among themselves, within their own membership?
That may ease Floridians’ tensions.
We are so distracted and angry about the DNC’s snub, that we have lost sight of the candidates!

The Dnc would then be free to fight among themselves about seating the Delegates.
Also, I couldn’t find any rule stating Iowa and N.H. are ruled to go first. It seems to be more a tradition, as opposed to a rule.

It just seems the people of Florida and Michigan are being browbeaten into compliance with a rule that hasn’t been validated to the people.
We want to know, “by what authority”?
Please somebody outline this rule and defined punishment for the infraction.
Show us where it it written, so we can understand the logic of it!
Right now, it does not make sense to strip votes, then vote for anyone who voted to strip votes.
Why would any American take that chance again.
Remember DNC, we get those rights back in November. We won’t be losing our right to vote again then! We will protect that right by not voting Democrat.
One good snub “deserves” the other.
Millions of votes are a lot to lose for any party! Count them! We are not talking about me. We are talking about “We the People”!

I see this whole mess as a no win situation, no matter what is decided. If we stand by the rules, citizens of both states will protest and not vote or vote republican in November and if there is a revote, the candidates or the states will find some flaw in the results. Either way this will drag on and on and McCain will only grow stronger.
I hope those who live in Michigan and Florida will consider voting out their public officials who got them in to this mess because the other 48 states who played by the rules want to see the candidates views on issues as the top story in the news, not this circus. We are tired of seeing Florida once again in the front and center for causing disaster with elections.

No matter how this mess gets resolved it certainly won’t be the last that we hear of it. If the Democratic party can’t even hold a primary (one its been waiting for years for) without this mess, how in the world are they going to win in November?

I was just listening to Al Sharpton on MSNBC.
He said he has affidavits from people who said they would have voted but they thought their vote would not count.
He said these people didn’t vote because, and I quote, “they didn’t vote, because the DNC told them not to”!
2 points to ponder:
1.These people that signed those affidavits: what kind of voter history do they have?
2.He states the DNC told them not to vote: Is that not voter interference?

Al Sharpton is threatening law suits too, from another angle.
This is certainly getting uglier.
That’s what we need down here, more law suits.
He is suing the DNC too!
Nice job, Howard Dean!

Where were everybody’s heads when this first started in Sept.?
This should have been settled long before this.
Now it threatens to tie up the Convention and the General Election.
I think Florida is lost to the Democrats in November. I feel no pity. They have gotten themselves in a real pickle now!
Don’t worry about seating the Delegates now!
That will be a huge waste of money to run another contested election.
I’m sure the Democrats can kiss Michigan goodbye too.
One candidate removed their own name from their ballot!
Howard Dean led Obama and Clinton down the wrong path, when they turned their backs on voters.
There should have been a less harsh “punishment”.
Stripping votes is a no, no! Legal or not, it leaves a bad feeling in our gut!!

I will keep trying to find case law to set this apart from other rulings.The first appeal will be heard Monday in a case in Tampa.. I hope they have tweaked their argument!
I’m not a lawyer, but what an education I am getting from this debacle!

Please go to the Fla. Dems website.
This is what Florida got told!

Delegate Selection to the 2008 Democratic National Convention

45th Democratic National Convention ~ August 25-28, 2008 ~ Denver, Colorado

*NEW* – Click here for the results of the congressional district caucuses for the selection of District-Level delegates to the 2008 Democratic National Convention.

OFFICIAL FORMS WILL BE AVAILABLE TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO BEGINNING OF EACH QUALIFYING PERIOD

QUICK LINKS

District-Level Delegates
At-Large Delegates
Pledged Party Leaders (PLEO)
Unpledged Add-Ons Delegates
Automatic Delegates
Convention Standing Committees
Delegation Chair & Pages
FAQs

Florida has a total of 210 delegates and 31 alternates.

The “first determining step” of Florida’s delegate selection process will occur on Tuesday, January 29, 2008, with a “binding” Presidential Preference Primary.

Participation in Florida’s delegate selection process is open to all voters who wish to participate as Democrats and register as a Democratic voter no later than Monday, December 31, 2007. Florida is a closed primary state.

In order to encourage full participation by all Democrats in the delegate selection process and in all Party affairs, the Florida Democratic Party has adopted and will implement programs with specific goals and timetables for African Americans, Hispanics, Native Americans, Asian/Pacific Americans and women. Additionally, in order to achieve full participation from other groups that may be under-represented in Party affairs, including members of the GLBT community, people with disabilities, military veterans and youth, the Florida Democratic Party has adopted and will implement Inclusion Programs.

http://www.fladems.com/content/w/florida_delegate_selection_to_the_2008_democratic_national_convention

Here are 2 quotes from Hillary regarding the delegates in MI & FL. So which is it Hillary? Can anyone tell me?

“You know,” Senator Clinton remarked, “it’s clear the election they’re having isn’t going to count for anything. Obama’s name did not even appear on the ballot in Michigan.”

“I don’t think so. I mean, he had a choice to be on the ballot. He chose not to be. I chose to stay on the ballot. So that was a choice he made. His campaign then ran a very vigorous effort to try to defeat me with uncommitted delegates, and he lost. So it wasn’t as though there wasn’t a contest. There was a contest. And I won. And I won resoundingly in Florida … I don’t think we should be about the business of denying voters in Michigan and Florida the right to be heard.”

I HAVE A WAY TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM…DON’T KNOW IF IT WOULD WORK, BUT ITS JUST A THOUGHT…..

SINCE THE DNC IMPOSED THIS PUNISHMENT ON FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN, AND THE CANDIDATES ALL AGREED TO TAKE THEIR NAMES OFF THE BALLOT IN MICHIGAN (I KNOW HILLARY WAS TOO LATE WITH THE PAPER WORK TO REMOVE IT) AND NOT TO CAMPAIGN IN FLORIDA……HERE IT GOES….

I SAY RUN A REDO AT THE EXPENSE OF THE CANDIDATES AND THE DNC. THEN TAKE AWAY THEIR FUNDRAISING PRIVILEDGES IN BOTH OF THOSE STATES. THAT WAY YOU HIT THEM WHERE IT HURTS THEM THE MOST…IN THE WALLET AND THE VOTERS HAVE THEIR SAY.

NONE OF THE CANDIDATES OR THE DNC WERE CONCERNED ABOUT VOTERS RIGHTS BEING VIOLATED WHEN THEY CAME UP WITH THIS DUMB IDEA, SO WHY NOW…..BECAUSE THEY SCREWED TH POOCH.

GIVE THE VOTERS THEIR SAY AND MAKE THE DNC AND CANDIDATES PAY FOR IT. SOUND GOOD????

Why is it so hard for the Clintons to tell the truth and follow the rules (and law)?

Everyone is looking for a solution for these 2 states to have their vote count. What ever is decided I hope they do it before June, because we will need to allow time for every one to contest it, take it to court, etc.
I really hope there is a solution, but what I am more worried about is the election in November. Will Florida find once again…be in the news? While Florida is fighting to have it’s voice heard, many in the rest of this county say…….we have heard enough from Florida!

Ryan

You are right in your quote of what Clinton said. Obama pulled his name from the ballot because they were not suppose to participate in any way, that included no name on the ballot. It is curious Clinton left her name on the ballot. Again, Clinton strikes, and she portrays such an innocent victom in all of this.

I am not a Obama supporter but I can’t believe Clinton is trying to get away with all this. How can people not see through what she is doing? It angers me so much that we try to teach our kids right from wrong and yet our so-called “leaders” continually make poor decisions. There is no personal accountability in America anymore. Everyone always cries fowl when something does not go their way. We are a sue-happy country now and everyone has this sense of entitlement. Well, no one is entitled to anything other that life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. How can Clinton “write” a book called “It Takes a Village” and talk about how she is always worried about the children, then turn around and show our children that you need to lie, cheat, and steal to get what you want? (I put write in quotes because I believe someone else actually wrote the book and she just pretty much put her name on it)

http://tank.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YTJhNmU2ZWI0MzI4NzhjOWNlMDY0NTJiNjQ1NzAwZTg=

Dear Fox Team, can someone please take a look at the disgusting media lie yesterday that the Pentagon report showed “no links” between Saddam and al Qaeda and then the report came out showing the opposite?

Here is one link to start at
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/03/only_connected.asp

The report shows Saddam’s Iraq supported at least 6 al Qaeda affiliated groups all over the world, ran car bomb factories, IED factories, had a branch of the government to recruit foreign suicide bombers and had car bombs, missile launchers, etc. in their foreign embassies. It’s really worth an honest look and ABC and the other networks aren’t going to do that because they are too invested in Bush hatred to tell the truth.

What I want to know is who is “them/they”?… the citizens or the DEM/REP politicians who were responsible for the move of the primaries? “THEM/THEY” should be the latter.

I’m a Floridian & I’m tired of being painted with the same brush as the offenders. Citizens aren’t to blame and shouldn’t receive ANY criticism… I DON’T CARE WHO YOU ARE AND WHAT LOGIC YOU’RE USING! I know intelligent people know the difference but so many ‘You made your bed, so lie in it’ statements tend to get directed at the citizens. Citizens had NO clue, let alone input into the situation & consequences of the primary move. I didn’t find out until it hit the news upon the approach of the primaries. Ignorance is not an excuse & I believe in being held responsible for MY mistakes. However, the most citizens should take blame is for voting those politicians who made those decisions into office, regardless of which way we voted (respecting a democratic process). Even if you followed politics everyday, who would’ve thought that any politician would 1st , even entertain an agreement that could potentially throw the most important constitutional right, to vote, of every single one of their millions of citizens on the table like poker chips in a low-stakes game, and 2nd follow it up by intentionally break the rules!?! “THEY” gambled with the constitutional right of millions! UNACCEPTABLE! Why do I say a low-stakes game? The payoff was supposedly to have some extra influence in the primary election. HELLLOOOO… It’s FLORIDA! We’re the 4th largest state (MI is significant too). We’re infamous for influencing elections (esp my birth county – Palm beach – Butterfly Ballots of 2000). Neither state was in a late primary anyway. I can see if a small state with a late primary, whose specific issues rarely gets a chance to be addressed in a political campaign, would see moving up as beneficial. Florida’s stakes were low with little to gain and the unthinkable to lose. Moving along, I ABSOLUTELY believe in following the rules & again, being held responsible for your actions, but the punishment was structured toward the wrong people… the citizens.

Extremely hypothetically – To make it clear what “THEY” did:
It’s like offering conditions to a providing parent with the consequence of a certain action being that their kids would have to go without a basic necessity for a week. “Whoa, whoa! That’s a joke, right?” is what I would be saying while laughing it off. Leave the innocent kids out of this & apply the punishment to me is what I say. “THEY” said it sounded like a great idea, and went on to commit the certain act which punished their kids. Terrible parent!

I think “THEY” should have been punished. I think the way to have done it would have been to strip the states of their Super-Delegates. I’ve heard no mention of that notion. For Florida, considering 1,724,855 voters & 185 pledged delegates, our 1 vote is worth 0.00010726 pledged delegates, which means each of our Super-Delegates’ votes are worth 9,323 times more than the citizen’s.

Now it is a big mess. I don’t believe the vote in either state should be counted as is. Any claim, for any reason to seat delegates based on those counts is obviously politically motivated. Furthermore, I am disgusted when someone actually argues to do so; and I can talk because I went to polls to vote. I complained about it but I just couldn’t pull myself away from the act of voting even though I knew my vote wouldn’t count. Setting aside Obama’s name being on the ballot or not (a Major Issue), campaigning itself would have made a huge difference. Obviously Obama has shown the capability to close 20-30 point leads into the single digits if not overtake them completely. No matter who you’re for, fair is fair.

We’re here now, Get It Done:
I once lost a championship basketball game that, unfortunately, had to be played on a gym floor that was covered in hair grease from a dance the night before (80s). After losing the hard-fought game I complained & blamed it on the floor. My coach responded to me, “Hey, everybody played on the same floor.” Let us vote, even if under poor circumstances. At least the messed up rules would be equal. Mrs. Clinton, stop the nonsense of trying to seat the delegates as-is. You’re probably going to win so just make it fair. Mr. Obama, stop the nonsense of criticizing (opposing) Every plan to get a re-vote done. You should dare not to be the reason millions are disenfranchised. If you believe in your delegate lead it shouldn’t matter.

ANYWAY, whatever you do people… Stop blaming the citizens and/or painting us with the same brush as the real offenders… “THEM!”
(Sorry So Long)

Corey

I agree with a lot of what you have said. I really liked your analogy of parents/children. Your idea of taking the Super-delegates away would have been ideal as they shouldn’t be allowed anyway. As you pointed out, the weight they are given is un-democratic anyway.

I disagree with you on one very important point. As you made the analogy of your basketball game, you were looking for excuses as to why you lost; however, you never asked to play the game over. The rules were established ahead of time. The question here is with the rules the DNC made. It wasn’t the rules that the voters, or the state of Florida or Michigan made. The states should not be blackmailed by the DNC. As the state has no say in the rules of the DNC, the DNC should not dictate any rules to the state. The state has the right and duty to set their election date.

While I disagree with the rules the DNC made, they were their rules. For Florida or Michigan to have a re-do would be like giving in to the DNC. In my opinion, the DNC needs to either not count the original votes, as were their original rules, or count the votes as they stand. My preference is to count the votes as they stand so you at least have some say in this election. There are way too many problems with a re-vote. It would only make matters worse.

The candidates and the DNC showed their lack of foresight on this issue. I hope they can see what can of worms they will open up if a re-vote is done. I prefer not to support either candidate, as they and their Party showed no support for you.

This not only affects the people in Florida and Michigan, but us “Cheese-heads” in Wisconsin. I hear Brett Favre is currently out of a job, maybe he should be on the ballot if there is a re-do?

Ah, at last a place on the Jo Anne Moretti blog site!! Did any one see the CNN Anderson exposure of the fact that the person who first proposed the Florida “rules” was a Democrat??? It took off from there. I repeat that the voters who fell for this fiasco are as resposible and culpable as the DNC officials…..and those who cry “we are being disinfranchised”. If you are not savvy enough to learn about the consequences of your vote, then you are ignorant. Ignorance can be taught; stupidity is forever.

Hi Virginia.
I am sorry it seems I took this blog spot over.
I just had a lot to say in defense of Floridians.
I’ll back off.
Sincerely.
Jo Anne Moretti.

Virginia is right.
I really have had a lot to say.
Thank you all for putting up with me.
This issue is very passionate here.
Thanks again.
Come to Florida anytime. All are welcome.
Jo Anne.

I thought we were all voting to get this country out of a big mess.. How in the world did such a modern country of smart people turn things around so bad ? Now we are going to vote to see how much of a mess we can make of this election. Talk about trying to confuse people with the facts.. OMG..

Why is it that the DNC is only considering the direct costs that are associated with a re-do? There are going to be countless indirect costs as well? Is the DNC going to pay for these as well. Just think of all the other costs that are already happening because of their taking away the peoples right to have their vote count. Lawsuits are already starting to fly. Who is going to pay for the courts being tied up in chaos because of all of this? What cases that are in the courts now, are going to have to be pushed back for all of this? Imagine the costs involved in defending a “re-do”? The litigation will be tremendous. Is the DNC prepared to fund all of this? If not, who pays? – obviously the voters who got screwed initially. What about all of the costs associated with the people who need to go and vote again? Who is responsible for paying for the first CERTIFIED election if they don’t like the result? How can any state even think of changing the laws now to even allow having a second CERTIFIED election? Imagine the chaos that is going to come from this. If you think it is a mess now, just wait until they decide to try it all over again. The taxpayers are going to be funding this election for years to come, wait and see.

Perhaps the states need to get out of funding any PRIMARY election if the results of a CERTIFIED election are this easy to be ignored. Why do the states even bother certifying the elections if the political parties don’t abide by the results anyway? Why waste the time, effort and treasure?

i hear hillary and obama saying that its not right to not count the votes in mi and fl , but why did hillary and obama agree to not counting them to begin with. i dont hear either one of them explaining why they agreed to exclude mi and fl when the primaries started. it looks to me like theyre accusing others of what they themselves are guilty of.

Watching the clips on Rev. Wright and his connections to Obama are nothing new to Chicago residents. We’ve long been subjected to the hypocrisy of both black and white racism in politics and just everyday life. I had an associate who was a Pastor of a church in Harvey, IL. I thought we were friends. We discussed audio and recording often as he was an instructor at a local college for music. We had known each other for about 5 years and after the church he pastored bought some sophisticated audio equipment he asked me to attend service and help train some of the volunteers on its use. I was shocked to hear the racist comments from my “friend”, especially coming from the pulpit. This was in the 80’s. Over the years I have worked in pro audio in the Chicago area I have heard the same thing at many other religious black gatherings and now the country is seeing it nationally. Barak Obama is not above this mess. He is a contributor to it and has lived among it for at least 23 years. Comments from his wife and the many years he’s been involved with this church are proof he’s living the same double life that many powerful black and white politicians live in in IL.

Solving the problem in the future. As an independent voter, I think the best way to vote where states have equal and fair primaries would be a single primary voting day, same as the general election. Hold it about 6 months prior to the general election. The candidates can campaign and debate in as many states as they want before the primaries. Then the nominees for each party can debate and campaign after for the general election.
As for the mess in FL and MI, count the votes as is and the DNC should apologize and the top officials responsible should resign after the general election.
Dr. Don

Ok call me ignorant. I’m fine w/ that. But why can’t we do a revote and only allow voters who registered as democrats to participate. That way we don’t have to worry about republicans voting for the worse candidate.
Frankly- I’m all for allowing the votes to count as is. Obama removed his name. It wasn’t removed for him w/o his consent. He is no victim in this. Sorry but we all have to live w/ our actions. And for the candidates to willingly go along w/ saying 2 states voting wouldn’t count is despicable in my opinion. Come on guys grow some balls and stand up for what you believe in rather than going along w/ the general consensus. I mean come on… we are talking about Commander in Chief here. Will these two also allow themselves to be bullied when it comes to that 3am phone call we are hearing so much about??????

Since Hillary Clinton claimed victory in Florida, complete with a well-televised and continuing celebration … you cannot go back clear the air for a fair election. This woman has continually publicly portrayed herself as the victor and at the same time as the victim.

Her Florida people had all the signs of a campaign on hand while celebrating the win that wasn’t … in the contest that wasn’t … in the state that didn’t. Democrats who voted Republican in their primary (because they didn’t have a race that counted) could potentially vote again!

The time has passed and the Michigan and Florida voters should take it out on their elected officials who created this mess intentionally not on the voters in the rest of the country.

Good luck tomorrow, Victor Dimaio!
Floridians are behind you.
We are neither “ignorant”, or “stupid”!
4 other states moved their primaries up also, without sanctions.
Including N.H. and Iowa.
Hold the “currently sitting officials” to the “oath” they took in their day job. The one about upholding the Constitution, too!

A GREAT BIG THANK YOU TO BOTH “SOLUTIONS” and “Gringo”.

SOLUTIONS writes:
” SPLIT THE DELEGATES OF MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA 50/50 AND SEAT THE DELEGATES. ANYTHING LESS IS POLITICAL CORRUPTION, WHICH WILL NOT BE TOLERATED BY AMERICANS. THE POLITICAL PROCESS IS FOR THE BENFIT OF THE PEOPLE, NOT THE POLITICIAN’S TACTICS OF MANIPULATION IN OUR GOVERNMENTAL VOTING PROCEDURES”.

Gringo:
“Florida and Michigan should not count…hillary won those states by her name recognition only. No one was allowed to go there and campiagn and tell the voters who they were, so unless you knew the candidates before, and their message and ideas, you voted for whoever was the most popular from before.
Plus, Florida is full of old Republican Cuban “American” refugees who are permitted to vote, but would rather live in Cuba once communisim is finished and they can go back to the good old days of 90% poor 10% rich ala Enron, WorldCom, etc….
In addition, Florida is full of old people widow women who only want to see a women in the White House, not matter who it is.
I think GENDER has played a larger role than race has for certain. Some have used their gender to benefit them. A woman can attack a man, but a man can not attack a woman without looking like a bully. I am speaking of campaigns”.

Gringo, (as a female) I have said many times during the Democrat’s primaries/caucuses that the men engaged in the contest have to walk a very fine line in respect to the way they treat Hillary. I too believe gender plays the larger role verses ethnicity.

Thanks SOLUTIONS and Gringo for offering great insight and analysis to the verbal discourse taking place.

After the recent findings of Barrack Obama and Rev Wright, Resko and the weatherman, do you really want a do-over??? Both names were on the ticket in Florida, Hillary didn’t campaign in Florida, there was nothing illegal, don’t let Al Shapton and his racist remarks scare you into a redo Florida, stand up and fight – count those votes. Michigan get it done and and get it Hillary…no one vote for Barrack Obama and his “Uncle” that wants to have a black nation, thinks jewism is a gutter religion and wants to create a superior Black America (doesn’t that sound familiar – like Adolf Hitler). Vote against Obama – vote Hillary. Floridians push you governor, your congressman, your senators, the DNC and all of us with any sense will support you. DON’T VOTE FOR THE RACIST OBAMA AND HIS WIFE WHO HATES AMERICA – WHO NEEDS THEM.

Folks,

Obama is a sly dog. He keeps his name off the Michigan ballot, due to the proximity to Iowa, but leaves his name on the Florida ballot. He loses both states, with no candidate campaigning in those states.

Several other states moved their primaries but were not penalized in any way. Due to the antiquated notion that the world revolves around Iowa for the start of primary season FLorida and Michigan – by far more important than Iowa in so many ways, were discounted and their seats taken as no delgates were awarded.

Obama did not take Florida because those voters recognize a lying sleezebag when they see one. Plain and simple, and they saw it before Obama’s church of “Black Liberation Theology” – read as a throwback to 1960’s based hate mongering on the part of radical elements.

Now the rest of the country is starting to see what Obama really stands for, as his TWENTY YEAR membership in this church, with this bigot of a pastor guiding him. Obama must have issued 10 statements in as many hours trying to quell the damage to his campaign over the correct perception that by his LONG TIME CLOSE ASSOCIATION with this pastor and his expressed views – and his lack of any denial of those views until yesterday, that he also holds with these racist views. If Obama had any real character, Obama would not have glibly stated “this is my old uncle..” WRONG!!! THere is ZERO family relationship and if Obama had the integrity needed for president, he would have stated 19 years ago that Wright was WRONG and that his racist views have no place in Obama’s life.

Obama did not do this, and so we can only conclude he holds these pastors views as something he subscribes to. This is NOT what we need in a president, and anything he says is clearly political posturing to distance himself from his “Uncle” while not trying to alienate the pastors followers, as well as his other friends in Farrakhans organization.

I say let the Florida vote stand, both names were on it and Obama lost period, lying, no character creep that he is. Have a firehouse primary in Michigan only.

By the way if Obama does win the nomination, I predict a slew of Hillary supporters will vote McCain, not because they lost the nomination, but because they realize what a radical, terrorist loving, ultra left wing liberal Obama is, and that McCain represents a much more centrist, moderate view the country needs more than an extremist for president!

In a country torn apart by war with a failing economy, a leader with the same great speaking style as Obama united half the country behind him. He had the ability to mesmerize his audience with whatever he was talking about. That leader said “He who owns the youth, owns the future”. The country was Germany – the leader was Hitler… Let us not make the mistake many germans made in their hope for a better future and elect an unvetted candidate… This election is about more than Obama’s ability to mesmerize and energize voters. Clinton has a strong following that is energized behind her too. The difference is she has substance to go with it. She has a history that is sound. She is not a mystery to the voters. She doesnt ask us to trust her – she asks us to hold her accountable for what she has done and what she will do if she is elected President. Let the vetting and the nomination process continue. The world is watching – let’s make educated decisions based on a combination of voting records, campaign promises, judgement, credibility, patriotism, experience, qualifications, and electability. We cant afford to do any less – it is our responsibility to our country, our world, and our future.

I will be calling the FBI and Secret Service today to request that charges of sedition be brought against Rev. Jeremiah Wright. His comments fit the description of sedition by US law. If you tell thousands and maybe tens of thousands since his “sermons” are on DVD that their government is trying to kill them then that is inciting discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. In 1956, the Eisenhower administration pressed sedition charges against John W. Powell, his wife Sylvia, and Julian Schuman. During 1953, several American journalists claimed that the US used an array of germ warfare weapons during the Korean war. They claimed that there were releases of feathers infected with anthrax, fleas and mosquitoes dosed with Plague and Yellow Fever, and rodents infected with a variety of diseases. It is basically the same thing as what the reverend has said. The reverend claims that the United States created HIV and infected its own citizens with it. Sedition if I ever heard it.

Uphold the original decision not to count the FL and MI delegates. To hold another election would be too costly and too biased. Why not reduce the total delegates needed to win by the number of delegates in those states? Just take them out of the equation altogether.

The voters deserve to be heard….unfortunately the Democrat committee is a disgrace…
But with the recent facts that have emerged about OBAMA…OBAMA should step down…
We can not have a potiental President that is affillated with a church that preaches hate, is unashamedly black, and has a non-negiotable relationship with Africa (not AMERICA). Everyone one I talk to (all dems) will not vote for him if he is on the ticket.

If we wait to see Obama step down, then there won’t have to be a re-vote.

The voters deserve to be heard!!!

Re your split infinitive “to NOT seat” in article above: sb “NOT to seat”…..

I was a rep. for all my voting years, and wanted to vote for Hillary so I changed to dem. Now they tell me my vote doesn’t count. This is really bad I am 69 years old and am proud to be an American. If Obama is on the dem. ticket I will not VOTE !!!!!!!!!!!! a person has got to be out of their mind to belive that you can go to church for 20 years and not know what their preaching about. (WHAT A JOKE) Maybe he was sleeping Ha! Ask Oprha why she stopped going in 98. Come on people wake up don’t sleep through this election, like Obama did in church.

I changed my vote preference to democrate from republican to vote in the first primary. I did vote democrate for Hillary. It makes me upset that there is a possibility my vote may not count. I have decided that if Obama does (hope not) gets the ticket, I will vote republican in the election. I don’t care for who Obama is as a person. To many unknown about this guy. Bad feeling on this one, almost erie!!!! His call for change is BLAH BLAH BLAH. Nothing solid at all. Just talk. I’m not fooled by his words. We need to have the FL votes count.

To Fran:
Do you live in FL or in MI? I do live in Florida and I want my vote to count!!!!

I will tell al of you what I wrote to Howard Deans; office today in reponse to a plea for donations:

Dear DNC official,

Given the short-sighted penalties imposed by the DNC to disenfranchise the American voters in the states of FL and MI, which I believe they fundamentally should have no constitutional right to do, I refuse to donate at this time. That the state democratic parties are penalised, is one thing, but in so doing, it was and is the responsibility of the DNC to ensure that such penalty not extend to collateral damage by penalising the voters who had no voice in either the primary date or the acceptance of having their delegates stripped and voices muted. It is insufficient to the American public to say that the DNC didn’t anticipate the current dilemma. It makes no difference how close or far apart the candidates are–ALL citizens have the right to be heard. To do less is to promote a return to voter apathy.

I further believe that Howard Dean has failed to take the leadership position entrusted to him in resolving this matter so that these two states can be seated at the convention, and should be removed from his post. Lastly, I will be only to happy to make a donation to the DNC once they have made the commitment to financially back the new primaries in FL and MI that it would take to satisfy the harm that was done by the “Rules” imposed.

P.S.
In watching the candidates closely, reviewing the geographical delegate breakdown between them, and the recent revelations regarding Senator Obama–his judgement surrounding his choice of company in social, political, and business relationships–I no longer view him as a viable candidate in the general election.
It is unfortunate, but at this time in the election cycle, this controversy is fatal to this campaign, and it is in the best interest of the party when the superdelegates must decide for whom to cast their lot, they keep in mind that the current lead by Senator Obama was accrued prior to these revelations and may no longer reflect the will of the people–the price for backing an unvetted candidate, I’m afraid.
That furthermore, in the interest of the party, they must honestly look to November and the electability of the Democratic Nominee against a formidable proven American hero and POW who was serving in the Senate while Senator Obama was still in school. Senator McCain has a reputation for being a moderate and is even now garnering the kind of press that raises him above the internal disarray of the Democratic Party and presents him in a presidential light.
Should the choice be in hands of the Superdelegates, and they choose to go with Senator Obama despite what is unfolding, they will be responsible for having given away the hope of a Democratic return to the White House.

Wow. First time I’ve ever visited a FOX blog. I’ll never be back. I’ve never read such hate-filled illiteracy.

Wright was foolish to say those things. He has embarased himself and the church. But the fact is that he his only obama’s preacher period. Yeah how can u stay with such a man for 20 yrs. U can never define a mans 36yrs career in 2 15sec sound bite. He has preached jesus christ for many yrs and obviously said some unpatriotic things which he needs to apologise for. I dont think that a man of God, who has served his country in the arm is not patriotic because of 30 sec sound bite. All this is about wright. how do you unfairly attack obama because of what wright said. OK. Rod parsely, Hagge and many pastors have said some vicious things too. Are we going to say, oh, the children and parents of those churches don’t have a shot at the presidency. I dont think so. Also fox-Hannity-fox-hannity, stop attacking barack for what someone else said. Attack him him for his deeds. By the way, How can obama be racist against white people or even black people when he is half of both. Imagine this, he went to law school to help people not to become rich.

“Now even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us, the spin masters and negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of anything goes.

Well, I say to them tonight, there’s not a liberal America and a conservative America; there’s the United States of America.

(APPLAUSE)

There’s not a black America and white America and Latino America and Asian America; there’s the United States of America.

(APPLAUSE)

The pundits, the pundits like to slice and dice our country into red states and blue States: red states for Republicans, blue States for Democrats. But I’ve got news for them, too. We worship an awesome God in the blue states, and we don’t like federal agents poking around our libraries in the red states.

We coach little league in the blue states and, yes, we’ve got some gay friends in the red states.

(APPLAUSE)

There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq, and there are patriots who supported the war in Iraq.

We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America.

(APPLAUSE)

OBAMA: In the end, that’s what this election is about. Do we participate in a politics of cynicism, or do we participate in a politics of hope? “

I am a Democrat, and it doesn’t matter what OBAMA says. His 20 year relationship with Wright as his spiritual Advisor speaks volumes. Most importantly, his 20 year relationship with this church that has a history of preaching hate and an anti-America agenda. His actions speak loudy…..His commitment to this Church….If he didn’t agree with the teachings he could of left…there’s many Churches out there…There is no explaining this away…OBAMA should step down..

Your doing a good job at keeping this alive….America can not be disgraced by this man

As anticipated, there is more revealed. This Reverend is known for his anti-America sermons and racist comments. There is no away to get around the 20 year commitment to this church…usually when you don’t agree with what a Church stands for you switch to one you agree with…Hello…. There’s no way to explain this one…

Contact your senaters and ask for them to pressure Obama to step down…He is a disgrace to America…He now has divided the Democrats more so than ever.

Florida Democrat statement!
One thing it omits is that it was a Florida Democrat who introduced the bill to move up the primary voting day.

http://www.fladems.com/content/w/party_statement_on_primary_situation

I think that it is fairly obvious (to me at least) that the Defeatocrat party has no rules. They are willing to change anything at any time if it suits their needs and desires. The Clintons have shown that they do not care one whit about rules as long as they win. The only sad part of all of this is that most of the country that identifies themselves as Defeatocrats does not see that their party is one of no core values whatsoever. They just march in lock step to the tune, whatever that may be at the moment.

And one thing that is quite funny. If you are going to leave a comment on this, at least learn how to spell!! My goodness! I know that there are quite a few of the blogging wannabees posting here, but just put the letters together! We are all laughing at you.

Barack,
I am from Illinois. I have watched the politics. I am really sad at the current state of affairs.

You have stood for “Judgement” and then make the “Judgement” to follow this type of Pastor. It was the worst form of “Judgement”

and now…. to save your political aspirations, you will split the American Democratic Party in half.

Judgement… is making the decision to give up your quest for the nomination and support Hillary, with the expectation you will be VP. See, this allows you to be seasoned… it allows all of us to see you… and come to know what type of Man you are.

Please, in the sake of Christ…. and the light of love… do not push your political aspirations to the point you hurt the very nation you say you do love….

With love,
Sharon

There is a very simple solution. Subtract the number of MI and FL delegates from the total (4049), divide that in half and that becomes the new number to win.

Nobody really cared about the disenfranchisement of Florida and Michigan voters until it looked like Hillary might not win. Then it became an issue, and of course, she and her supporters want the votes to count in the most advantageous way for her.

There is no truly fair way to handle this other than not seating the delegates as was the original plan. No one will truly trust the outcome of revotes especially if they do the mail-in option, and in the general election the losing side won’t support the winning side. I know that if I were for Obama, I could not vote for Hillary in the general election if she got the nomination due to the results from Florida and Michigan (which I wouldn’t trust).

Honestly this whole issue is a lose-lose for the democratic party.

Hey did you guys see Femminist Marianne Williamson on RLTV’s Daily Cafe today
She supports Hilliary and her quote of the day was” I’m Not gonna vote with my vagina” Here is the clip on their viral site

http://www.rl.tv/VideoLibrary/ViralVideo/tabid/860/Default.aspx

“Comment by Bill From Illinois March 7th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Beware Obama Camp you are about to get a Screwing of your Campaign. This Cruddy Witch will do nothing that will not Benefit Her.”

I take offense to the word witch………..Sen. Clinton is Christian, not Wiccan………..Please be careful about being PC in the future.

See how easy someone can get offend, over just a simple comment…………WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO PEOPLE!!!! We need to stop taking yourselves so seriously, and get over ourselves; and don’t give me “my race” was persecuted, so I’m entitled to whatever. Name me a race, religious that hasn’t been persecuted?

ALL NAMES WERE ON FLA. VOTE SO WHY CAN IT NOT COUNT ? OBOMA EVEN DID ADVERTIZING THERE.THEY HAD AGREED NOT TO ADV. THERE ALSO BUT HE DID. IF HE HAD WON THERE VOTE HE WOULD BE YELLING TO THE TOP OF HIS LUNGS. HE WOULD HAVE GOT IT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK.AND ALL OF YOU READING THIS KNOW.

If it’s true — as Bill Clinton and some Democratic spokespersons have claimed — that the Florida Democrats have their state’s Republicans to blame for their earlier primary date, what was the rationale for the DNC punishment?

Reading some of these blogs is just so surprising at that harsh tone and sheer meaness. i don’t understand why the Republicans sending in their opinions have to be so nasty if someone doesn’t thing the same way as they do. I respect John McCain but am not voting for him because of some of his views but I don’t see the need to try to nasty and make derogatory remarks.

It is not fair to the AMERICANS, yes AMERICAN citizens in Florida or Michigan who have the right to a legal vote.

As Florida had all names on the ballot, it should ride as is.

Michigan needs a do over and I feel the state and the candidates should share the cost, after all it was the states who choice to make this mess but as it would benefits the candidates and we would have to see which one, then they should share the cost.

If Barack Obama doesn’t want Hillary to have all the votes in Florida then let him pay for a do over in Florida or maybe Rev Wright can raise the money for him.

Anyone who has been duped into voting for Obama because the News withheld the information that he spent the last twenty years as a member of a “Black Supremacist” hate group can help correct the error now!

Go to the Headquarters of the Democratic Party by clicking on this link:

http://www.democrats.org/page/s/contactissues

Send them this email or a similar one of your choosing:

Dear Sirs;

Although we hold the power of individual vote in the highest esteem, I have been duped into voting for a candidate that I personally do not feel is fit as Presididential material.

The News withheld the information that Obama has been a member of a “Black Supremacist” church for twenty years, until after my vote as well as many thousands of other peoples vote. We now must rely on the Super Delagates vote to erase this horrifying error.

I urge, I plead with all super delegates to retract from voting for Obama to protect and preserve the real intent of the peoples choice!

Thank you!
- – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - – -

Please email this notice to EVERYONE THAT YOU KNOW and help us prevent an election travisty that SHOULD HAVE NEVER OCCURED.

If the thousands of you that feel you have been cheated from this unfortunate

Again, he did n’t fail to deliver. Once labeled a Muslim now he has a pastor. Very bold to risk his political career by telling the truth unlike other politicians, he deserves the credit. If people will look at his face and read his mind, they will see sincerity in its entirety.

If there is a do-over…it should only be MI…..The people of FL had OBAMA and CLINTON to choose from. ….and no matter what OBAMA CRIES….CLINTON did not campaign there either. The people of FL made a choice and now because OBAMA wants to take that voice away from those folks in FL.

A 50/50 vote split is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard…almost as dumb as putting Howard Dean in charge….

OBAMA was on the ballot too….the votes were fair…..why should OBAMA be able to stomp his foot and have a hissy fit to make the FL voters do as he says…he is asking people to give up a vote…a vote that is a sacred right…given to us by brave service men and women and persons here at home…..some sho died for our freedom to vote.

Barrack says his judgement on the war was better, but based upon what?

McCain and Clinton both had breifings and the NIE report (which Clinton admits that she did not read).
Barrack was not in the senate at the time, and received no breifings of any kind.

So just what information did he base his opinion upon?
Was it just a lucky guess?
After all he did not have the actual intelligence reports.

Maybe his opinion on not going to war was based on a breifing from Rev. Wright.

The National Democrat Committe disallowed Florida and Michigan. THEY SHOULD PAY FOR THE SOLUTION…AND IMPLEMENT IT!!!!!!!!!!!

Michigan has the highest unemployment rate in the country and has cut unemployment compensation in half because of the budget. So how can the state afford to fund a primary re-do and neglect the citizens of the state for the sake of deligates in an election. Fox news should jump all over this issue.

Gary

If they can not do a re-vote, then they need to count the American citizens votes.

This country is we the people………………….

Accept their votes

Let me see if I have this straight, Howard Dean and the DNC told Michigan and Floridia if they held their primaries early, their vote WOULD NOT COUNT. But the wise democrats in those two states did it their way. Now, that the race is so close, and Hillary will probably lose, “WE MUST” find a way to seat those delegates.
If the starquarter back is kicked out of the game for hitting the ref and the game is tied with 10 seconds left they don’t let him back in. He broke the rules.
What in the world were they thinking in the first place? Howard Dean is a dictator, when things don’t go his way he changes the rules, same with Hillary. They are playing the game together and want to bring the quarterback into the game…too late. You made the rules live with them!
As for the voters in those two stated being disinfranchised, their state party leaders made the decision to vote early knowing very well the consequences.
If this is how Howard and Hillary run primaries, how do you think they will run the country? “I know I said I would end the war, but I think I’ll send some more troops.” LIES LIES, rule changing, I’ll take my toys and go home yada yada yada.

I know that a lot of you are complaining about Fl. I lived in Ill. Ind. and Tenn. I have been in Fl for 30 years. Paid my taxes and bills here, so I am not an American who gets to vote or at least count my vote. All you Snowbirds come down here to enjoy our state. If we don’t count state in your own state. We are good enought to put up with your bad driving, rude attitudes and etc. but we let you come back. When we vote it is for a darn good reason and I feel we have a right to be counted, so please get a life and let everone be counted, even us that are invated with snowbirds!

Let me put it this way: Don’t seat the Michigan and Florida delegates and the DNC will never see another red cent from me and many like me. Disenfranchise those voters, and if Obama, the liar and hypocrite, gets the nomination, the Democrats will have no shot at the White House, because we don’t want Obama. We’ll vote for McCain. Plain and simple. We know for a fact that John McCain at least loves this country! God BLESS America!!!

This is shamefull politics of Hillary…and Fox is supporting her as if she is running FOX channel

Mark my words the Dems did themselves in…

McCain just sit back and let them slaughter each other and slide on in as president…

pretty sad…

No one is born christian. It is a step of faith that someone takes. Many people have switched from one denomination to another. I was chrisened Catholic and raised Baptist. People have a right in this country to believe in the religion that best incorporates their beliefs. Hillary may have been born to parents that chose to become Christian but it can not be said that she was born that way.

Both candidets have skeletons in their closet. So what! we all do. Everyone needs to stick to the issues that would pertain to the running of the country. Get behind whoever is going to be the nominee of the Dem party, but do it by the rules.You can not hold someone accountable for the words or actions of another person. Obama with Wright and Hillary with Bill have both been taken to the cleaners by the press and the true issues we face as a nation have not been touched.

I am increasingly becoming fed up with all the weight that is being given to FL and MI in these revotes. Get over it people! You voted at a time when you were told your votes would not count. If your candidate of choice did not object at that time why change the rules? Is it because you figure that your vote is so much better than anyone elses. Split the votes EVENLY between Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton and lets get on with our lives.

Thanks for your time.

Obama has the democratic nomination..Hillary will be a sore loser until after the election
when McCain squeaks out a win. Hopefully McCain picks out a good vice-president because
you can bet Obama won’t pick hillary as his running mate.

I wonder why the news media won’t touch Mccain’s Pastor problems with Rod parsley and john hagee? I smell cover up! This is like a modern day lynching and the entire world is watching but we excuse white men who say whatever they want and associate with whom they want, yet vilify black men for speaking their minds? This is why the country is divided. Keith Olberman brought it up on 3/13 and he’s the only one who has had the guts to talk about it. Check it out on you tube and see for yourselves.

I am an Obama supporter, but am now taking another look at Hillary Clinton. I am turned off by the way Obama has handled the Wright situation so far. I felt offended by the way he seemed to stereotype whites as racist in his comment about how his grandmother is a “typical white”. I felt inspired by his words and campaign of hope, but his essential acceptance of Wrights words in church casts doubt onto his judgment. I am now concerned if my judgment that Obama was the stronger candidate against McCain was correct. I hope the media continues to pursue this story, because I for one still have concerns about the inconsistencies in Obama’s story and the impact of this controversy on his electability in the general election.

By: Mary O’Bryan | Mar 20, 22:19
There he goes again. Pretending to want a revote in FL and MI. Look Obama is lying again. He lied about Geraldine Ferraro, his old Grandmother being racist, and his pastor and “sitting in the pews” for starters. BO needs to be exposed in any way that is legally possible. He has underhandedly exposed anyone who even insinuated racism on both sides. So, turn about is fair play. Afterall, Hillary Clinton’s entire life is out there for everybody to knock around. What about gender bias in this country? BOis also spinning his objections to the war, another half truth. When I objected to the Vietnam War, I was out protesting in the streets”, not giving a single speech about Irag and never mentioning it again until deciding to run for President. Obama needs to bow out of the race now, with dignity, instead of insuring that the President is” more of the same McCain”. The Republicans will run this “Obama pastor’s “Hate America” words from the pulpit” relentlessly, and rightfully so if, and that is a big ”IF”, BO was to get the Democratic nomination. Please Senator Obama quit now and save our Democratic party. BO opportunistically turned his “firestorm of his pastor’s ranting” into a free, nationally televised campaign speech. A little unfair to the other candidates, don’t you think? Hillary Clinton is right for America because we have very serious issues immediately facing “US” and we need a credible, intelligent, motivating President who will cross party lines to settle the issues we face in America (economy, health care, shrinking middle class, Irag), the land that “we all love”. It’s questionable to me now, and has been since BO so suddenly “seized a perceived opportunity” to inject himself in the race for President, if Barack really does care about America or promoting his own agenda as the new MLK?

So that I don’t simply repeat myself, I urge people to read my blog posts on MI and FL. Please visit http://progthinker.blogspot.com.

Howard Dean has more power over Clinton and Obama than they will ever hope to have over the American people.
How can either expect to lead when they have shown by agreeing to the stripping votes they can only follow!
The DNC is all powerful to those two candidates!
Lead by counting every vote!
I bet the Republicans would be happy to take Florida and Michigan’s votes in November. The “millions” of votes the Democrats refused in January!
No leader blindly follows! They should have seen this exodus out of the party coming!
Florida counts to Florida!
I’m sure McCain could get comfortable here!

1. Face it – Obama threw Grandma under the bus.

IF “Both campaigns agree it is unacceptable to NOT seat the Fla and Michigan delegates, recognizing that they are too influential in the general election and can’t be disenfranchised.”
THEN why are they saying it now instead of last year when the DNC decided not to seat them. Is this how the democrats will run the country? DNC=Do Nothing and Complain

Look why can’t all of you stop with the hate mongering? It’s sick stuff. Hillary and Obama are politicans, nothing more nothing less. Obama used his black half to climb to where he is. He had to appeal to all african americans to build his base. There is nothing wrong with that. Then he went after the youth who have altuistic expectations of government and got them to swoon. There is nothing wrong with that either. Hillary is leaning on the experience of her husband, her life work and interactions on behalf of the United States in one capacity or another. There is nothing wrong with that. I think Obama need some seasoning before being handed the role of the most powerful man in the world. All those promises are empty air on the part of both of them. That is because you can’t get elected unless you run on change. The special interest groups and lobbys that are established could care less about Obama’s speech writers or Hillarys experience. Plus, as a country, we are in deep dodo. It’s not time to elect another official that needs to go to school to learn politics 1-A. That’s why I think we need to put Hillary in there for at least four yeatrs. McCain is honorable but has lost touch with real priorities. We can’t base our future on the surge.

I think Obama’s past will hurt him both now and in Nov. See my analysis on my blog. http://www.commonsensibilities.blogspot.com

Matt

Problems & Considerations:

1. Should the voters in FL & MI be counted? Yes, however, MI & FL ’superdelegates’ should have THEIR votes stripped.

2. Breaking the rules: Only half of the pledged delegates should be seated. Disenfranchised voters can choose to elect a new state government when the time comes for their poor decisions. Also, Senator Clinton broke the rules in MI when she agreed to the DNC to not have her name on the ballot & kept it on anyway. Is the DNC punishing her? NO WAY!

3. If both campaigns cannot reach an agreement, split the votes in both states: 50/50.

In most cases, Senator Clinton would be hard pressed to catch up, even with a 60% win in PA.

I am a resident of Illinois, my state’s original vote was scheduled for March 18th – yet my state moved it up to Feb 5th AND allowed for early voting during the month of January. Can someone please explain why the DNC found this acceptable and Florida was punished? I absolutely believe ALL votes should be counted, everyone should be heard. If Dean is going to be a stickler on rules, then apply those rules to all states not just the ones Obama won. As far as Michigan,(since all names weren’t on ballot)both candidates should split the cost of revote 50/50.

Don’t worry yet Florida and Michigan.
After the Convention, Florida and Michigan will be saturated with Democrats trying to say they want your vote in November.
Remind them of the snub and tell them to beat it!
They don’t want your vote right now, but watch how they schmooze us later!
Don’t fall for it!
Your vote will count in November. Then it’s our turn to snub!

ALL you OBAMA LOVER are completely sorr people. You are foul mouth totally stupid people.That you would want a white hating, america hater, BIGOT in the white house. HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MINDS. The only reason you don’t want Florida and Michigan,s delegates to count is because Obama didn’t win in either one. Clean out your ears Obama TOOK his name off Mi. ballot and he was on Fl. ballot. They should stand as is and count the delegates. o do anything else is UNAMERICAN.!!!!!! I don’t care how much you whine is the right thing to do and you know it. At on time I said to my mother that next round in 8 years I would vote for Obama let him grow some. NOW I WOULD NEVER VOTE FOR THAT BIGOT AND LIAR!!! SO grow up children and get a life instead of bashing Hillary vote for her that is the only way that we are going to get the white houe back. Oh by the way Richardson is a bigot too to proclaim that he is a friend of the Clintons is a crock. With friends like that who needs enemies. HE IS A TRAITOR!!!! and of no importance!! Jean

Well,well, well, the discussion for the redo is getting louder and louder. Personally, the rules were made clear to both candidates before voting in both states. They agreed to what the DNC did then and now they wish to change it and yell “Foul” all the way to convention. If it’s so unfair not to count the vote now, why didn’t either candidate feel that it was unfair THEN?!!! To yell foul now is crying over spilled milk, they need to find a logical way to move forward instead of complaining about what happened behind them. Just my opinion.

As usual, the Clinton “spin” machine is up and running. Shrillarys friend/manager/advisor Ickes votedin favor of not counting Fl or Mi. Now that it is plain to see that HRC is losing in all countable ways-they want to change the rules to gain an unfair advantage. Remember HRCs actions during the Whitewater scandle? The Rose law firm “lost” billing records that were in her car? Does Hillary wish to return to the White House and resume the looting of furniture and dishes again? HRC can not be trusted! If HRC thought total destruction of the Demo Party would help her get access to the White House-would she want to start the destruction? Will she do anything to win?
There will NEVER again be a Clinton in our White House! No more “oral office-pardon sales-renting of the Washington bedroom, looting and plundering of the furniture etc!

I’m surprised that no one has raised this issue and posed these questions:
1. Why, other than pure political stupidity would the Democratic Party prohibit and penalize FL and MI citizens for wanting to move the date of their primary. It’s clear that no one in the Democratic Party ever thought this one through before a decision was made.
2. If the Democrats can’t agree on a solution for the FL and MI issue, can they actually have CREDIBLE solutions for our REAL problems??? God forbid that they have to face a real issue such as whether or not Iran want’s to build Nukes !!!!

Seated or not seated. The votes have been counted in Florida where both candidates were on the ballot. Hillary won. She had the majority vote. Obama can never never say he won unless these votes are counted. We know the numbers. If Obama refuses to reckonize these voters,he has not won and another election will be viewed as crooked. The real truth,he does not lead in the poplular vote or the delegates. This is big cheating.

With all the much much ado about nothing from the crying man.
How do the Chief Justices of The Supreme Court simply allow
MIchigan and Florida voters be subjected to Federal Law violations
and the Chief Justices sit idly by.

If Obama is an advocate of change, why not redo the MI and FL primaries. Or give the percentage of wining in Fl for Hillary and Obama and redo MI. Obama does not want to redo MI and FL because people is beginning to know who he really is. With his associations with two pastors, one for 20 years, he does not have good judgement. He was saying that his judgement is correct by voting no to the invasion of Irag and, later said, he was for it when America seems to be winning. He can’t have it both ways. God help America if he were to negotiate with the leaders in Iran and North Korea!!!!!!

I am not from Florida ( although I have family there) and if I were a voter I would be outraged. Howard Dean needs to be thrown out of office. Florida and Michigan voters need to organize and stand up for themselves. I would be willing to help you if I could. Our voting rights should not be determined by Howard Dean, the Republicans, or anyone else. I see only one way that we can have a united party and that is if Florida and Michigan are counted. The first excuse was money , now they are saying it can’t be done fairly, It all comes down to Hillary needs her votes and Obama doesn’t want her to have them., and he does have a point that he didn’t get to campaign there. and that she was better known. I know that they could have another election if that is what it takes. Sharpton doesn’t care about the people in Florida. He cares about HIMSELF and his interest. He wants Obama to be elected. That is ok with me but he needs to stand for “united we stand, divided wee fall” I really don’t care which democrat wins but I do care that it is done fairly. I’m afraid that is not going to happen and if it doesn’t it will be worsse next time and our democracy will fall EVERYONE IN THIS COUNTRY SHOULD BE CALLING FOR A FAIR ELECTION , INCLUDING FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN. That is more important than the outcome.

FACT: Obama broke the rules and had TV ads running in Florida on CNN before the primary!

Our constitution says that we are all equal, yet if Florida and Michigan voters do not count that is not true. I do not believe that whole state should be responsible for the broken laws, just the democratic leaders in the state; and yet I still don’t believe these leaders votes should be taken away. There must be other ways to punish them such as kick them off the committee or various other things. I do not understand why it has to be so complicate anyway, why don’t the person who wins the state get the votes? I guess that is too easy.

Seeing Hannity has been the chief rabble rouser in the Rev Wright affair, it’s only fair that you should look at his own associations and see whether he is the pure soul who deserves to be throwing the first stone.

When someone asked Hannity about Hal Turner the other night, he first said he didn’t know him, then said he was some guy who stood for election in Jersey. Here is what Hal Turner, one of the most unpleasant and racist souls you could wish to meet, had to say about that:

“About Sean Hannity and Me. . . . .
Yes, we were friends and yes, Sean agreed with some of my views
Recently, Barak Obama has come under serious scrutiny for attending a church whose Reverend Wright espouses anti-American and racist views. One media outlet that has been especially critical of Obama has been the show “Hannity & Colmes” on Fox News Channel.

On Wednesday, March 19, Malik Zulu Shabazz of the New Black Panther Party appeared as a guest on “Hannity & Colmes” to discuss the Obama / Reverend Wright controversy. During that appearance, Sean Hannity asked Shabazz if Barak Obama shouldn’t be judged by his past affiliations with Reverend Wright, to which Shabazz replied by asking Sean Hannity “Should you be judged by your past association with Hal Turner, a neo-Nazi?”

I was quite disappointed when Sean Hannity at first tried to say he didn’t know me and then went on to say that I ran some senate campaign in New Jersey. In fact, Sean Hannity does know me and we were quite friendly a number of years ago.

When Hannity took over Bob Grant’s spot on 77 WABC in New York City, I was a well-known, regular and welcome caller to his show. Through those calls, Sean and I got to know each other a bit and at some point, I can’t remember exactly when, Sean gave me the secret “Guest call-in number” at WABC so that my calls could always get on the air.

When I utlized that call-in number, Sean would very often come onto that line during commercial breaks so we could chat before I went on the air. Our off-the-air chats grew to an exchange of other phone numbers, me giving Sean my home and cellular number and Sean giving me his direct dial-in number at Fox News channel.

In 1993, My wife got pregnant and around a month later, Sean reported that he and his wife were expecting their first child. We got to talking about things expectant dads talk about and the relationship grew.

My wife gave birth to our son in June 1994, Seans wife gave birth to their child about a month later.

Over the course of the next three or four years, Sean and I spoke regularly off the air about our kids, politics and news of the day. My on-air calls to his show remained regular and welcome.

Around 1997, Sean invited me and my then-three-year-old-son, to come to Fox News Channel to be in the studio (NOT ON THE AIR) during a live broadcast of “Hannity & Colmes”. I accepted the invitation and my son and I went. We were inside the studio standing between the camera men as the show aired live. We got to speak with both Sean Hannity and Allan Colmes before the show. Like most three year olds, my son’s willingness to stay quiet didn’t last, so I thought it best to take him home rather than have his noise air during their show.

Sean and I spoke by phone the next day. I thanked him for the chance to be there and he said it was a real pleasure meeting me and my son.

In the year 2000, I sought the Republican nomination to the US House of Representatives from the 13th Congressional District of New Jersey. Since I was a candidate for federal office and since WABC served the area in which I was running for election, WABC was FORCED by federal law to accept my campaign radio ads, many of which were quite explicit. The station did not want to air the ads but the law left them no choice.

At about the same time, WABC changed program directors from John Mainelli to Phil Boyce. It seems to me that Mr. Boyce objected vehemently to my campaign commercials and political beliefs and I suspect he told Sean Hannity that I was not to be welcomed on WABC anymore. Since Boyce had the power to fire Hannity, it appears to me that Hannity did what he was told. From that point on, Sean Hannity never spoke to me again. Not on the air or off.

Here we are, more than eight years later, my friendship with Sean has become some sort of hot issue. Morons are trying to equate my relationship with Sean Hannity, with Reverend Wright’s relationship with Barak Obama, a man who may well become President of the United States. It is an intellectually dishonest – even meaningless – comparison but someone thinks they should make this fuss. Fine. So be it.

I can tell you from my firsthand, personal experience that Sean Hannity does, in fact, agree with many of my political and social views. I can also tell you that Sean Hannity disagrees with some of my political and social views. I won’t go subject-by-subject to say which he agrees with and which he disagrees with. You can figure that out easy enough on your own! Suffice it to say that my recollection is that when Sean and I spoke by phone, while no one else was listening, he and I exchanged the kinds of views that most White, Irish-Catholic guys hold, but won’t speak in public.

In my opinion, based on my first hand experience, I believe Sean Hannity is, in fact, a Hal Turner sort of guy. It seems to me that a big difference between Sean and me is that I am willing to say publicly what I think about savage Black criminals, diseased, uneducated illegal aliens and the grotesque cultural destruction wrought by satanic jews while Sean and many others keep quiet to protect their paychecks.

Another big difference is that I am perfectly willing to use force and violence against my enemies while Sean Hannity and others are not. Those using me as a prop to attack Sean Hannity would do well to remember this fact. Rest assured I will remember them when the opportunity presents itself; especially as it pertains to that douche bag sodomite Max Blumenthal for the falsehoods and total trash he wrote about me in “The Nation” magazine.”

He is risen…

He is risen…

A sign on the door to the Garden Tomb a few yards from Golgotha in Jerusalem reads: “He is not here, he is risen.”

Three weeks ago I had the unusual opportunity to spend about ten minutes almost alone inside that tomb. Someone closed the door while I was inside.

Almost alone, an American inside a tomb in a foreign land, the exit door closed, I felt warm, safe, comfortable, HOME!

The Garden Tomb is the place where the first resurrection took place. I did not need to think about or question that. The unstoppable tears flowing down my checks, a powerful new feeling building in my chest, witnessed that it had happened where I was.

Today, if the Savior came and stood behind me, without turning to look, I would KNOW that He was there!

The above is a true experience, I was there in Jerusalem just a few days ago.

I know that Jesus Christ lives, He is risen, He is alive today.

Happy Easter all.

Justamere10

http://mittromney.blogtownhall.com

Obama may have more to worry about!

Many of you have got it wrong to say that Florida allows for crossover votes. In Florida in the primary, if you are a Republican, you must vote Republican. If you are a registered Democrat, you have to vote Democrat. Florida voters registered as Independents cannot vote in the primaries, which led me to change my party affiliation to Democrat. I thought that would give me a voice in the primaries, but I have been disenfranchised once again. I am sick and tired of how the Democrats are running their nomination process. I have never voted Republican, but this election I will. The Democrats let themselves get so caught up in group and identity politics they no longer represent this hard-working “typical white person.” Florida’s primary should count. Haven’t the taxpayers already spent too much on these elections?

I Googled Odinga and Obama in the Google searchbar.
You would be amazed at what came up about Obama and his cousin!
Obama seems to surround himself with Islamic radicals.
See for yourselves.
This is scary!
Obama needs more research.
I am all about Florida and having our voices heard, but this is more serious.
November will tell how Florida feels, but in the meantime, do the country a favor and check this Obama/Odinga connection and the results it is having in Africa!
The Kenyan government has a lot to say about Obama!

The little boy said, “why don’t you let some of the air out of the tires so the stuck truck can move through the underpass?” Shouldn’t the same theory apply to the Democrats delegate votes needed to nominate? – reduce the amount needed to win by the number of Florida and Michigan
votes. The party wasn’t going to count them anyway…………..duhhhh

Does anyone really think that Hillary is the “change candidate”, one you can trust to do anything but what she and bill have done before. Hillary is gaming the system to win by schmoozing with the super delegates who many them selves are apart of the incumbent political machine that we are trying to change. With Obama versus McCain change might have a chance but if it comes to Hillary or Obama against McCain there some will and vote McCain just to keep the Clintons from shoving their despicable morel and ethical lifestyle down our throats for 4 more years.

Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama is currently hiding his anti-Israel views in order to get elected, according to a well-known anti-Israel activist. The activist, Ali Abunimah, claimed to know Obama well and to have met him on numerous occasions at pro-Palestinian events in Chicago.

In an article he penned for the anti-Israeli website Electronic Intifada, Abunimah wrote:

“The last time I spoke to Obama was in the winter of 2004 at a gathering in Chicago’s Hyde Park neighborhood. He was in the midst of a primary campaign to secure the Democratic nomination for the United States Senate seat he now occupies. But at that time polls showed him trailing.

“As he came in from the cold and took off his coat, I went up to greet him. He responded warmly, and volunteered, ‘Hey, I’m sorry I haven’t said more about Palestine right now, but we are in a tough primary race.
‘Hey, I’m sorry I haven’t said more about Palestine right now, but we are in a tough primary race.’
I’m hoping when things calm down I can be more up front.’ He referred to my activism, including columns I was contributing to the The Chicago Tribune critical of Israeli and US policy [and said:] ‘Keep up the good work!’”

Barack, Michelle, Edward and Mariam
Abunimah’s report included a photo of Obama with his wife Michelle seated at a table with virulently anti-Israeli Professor Edward Said and his wife Mariam, in what Abunimah said was a May 1998 Arab community event in Chicago at which Said gave the keynote speech.

In an interview earlier this year for the leftist radio show “Democracy Now!,” a daily TV and radio news program hosted by Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzalez, Abunimah said he knew Obama for many years as his state senator “when he used to attend events in the Palestinian community in Chicago all the time.”

“I remember personally introducing him onstage in 1999, when we had a major community fundraiser for the community center in Deheisha refugee camp in the occupied West Bank,” he recounted. “And that’s just one example of how Barack Obama used to be very comfortable speaking up for and being associated with Palestinian rights and opposing the Israeli occupation.”

About face ‘to get elected’
Abunimah’s report included a photo of Obama with his wife Michelle seated at a table with virulently anti-Israeli Professor Edward Said and his wife Mariam.

The Arab-American activist went on to say: “In 2000, when Obama unsuccessfully ran for Congress I heard him speak at a campaign fundraiser hosted by a University of Chicago professor. On that occasion and others Obama was forthright in his criticism of US policy and his call for an even-handed approach to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.”

“Obama’s about-face is not surprising,” Abunimah wrote. “He is merely doing what he thinks is necessary to get elected and he will continue doing it as long as it keeps him in power.”

When Obama first ran for the Senate in 2004, the Chicago Jewish News interviewed him on his stance regarding Israel’s security fence. He accused the Bush administration of neglecting the “Israeli-Palestinian” situation and criticized the security fence built by Israel to prevent terror attacks: “The creation of a wall dividing the two nations is yet another example of the neglect of this Administration in brokering peace,” Obama was quoted as saying.

Re: Joe Belter.
Have you ever heard of Obama’s cousin Odinga?
Google him and Obama together in the Google searchbar.
There is some troubling information about Obama’s close association with this cousin and his movement.
The Kenyan government isn’t too pleased with Obama or Odinga.
Read some of the info.
I read about Odinga in a blog, then looked him up in Google.

http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_Obama/ObamaAfrica.htm
I found this about Odinga and Obama on Google.
There are lots of stories covering their close relationship.
I also read Obama still has dual citizenship with USA and Kenya!
We need to know more about Obama, before he can ever be President.
Some of his associations with radicals is veryy unnerving to me.
Everyone on my email list agrees after reading what Google has about Obama, and Odinga, as well as other associates of his!
Just Google Odinga+Obama and see it yourselves!
Look at news as well as web.
I started blogging about the Florida snub and now I am more concerned about Obama!

I think it is about time that Florida and Michigan are allowed to have their say so in the election just like any other state. I think it should be a straight vote, none of this lets divide it all up routine. The votes should go to whomever the voters want them to go to. This is the only fair thing to do. I am glad that something may be done for the voters. I do not believe it is fair that they pay the price for some politicians who want to decide when people should vote. This is not only a priviledge but also a right. A vote is a vote. I would be very upset if my vote did not count the way I wanted it to, to the point that I would consider going over to the republicans.

IF OBOMA WAS NOT SUCH A POOR SUPPORTER OF AMERICA, HE WOULD AGREE TO ANYTHING TO GET THE FLA. AND MI. VOTES COUNTED.
IF THE SHOE WAS ON OTHER FOOT WE WOULD HEAR HIM CRYING THE BLUES AND THE MEDIA WOULD BE ALL OVER DEAN TO LET THE VOTES COUNT FOR THE LITTLE CRY BABY.
THIS SOMEHOW DOES NOT SEEM LIKE GOOD AMERICAN SPORTMENS SHIP TO ME.

Why is it only on FOX NEWS BLOG that you see so much ISLAMIC/MUSLIM HATE/ OBAMA HATE and Hate on everyone who don’t believe in their bigoted pathetic FAKE Christain beliefes. I attend many blog sections and it’s only on Fox news you see this kind of Rhetoric, well it just shows what kind of people watch and support this network. Thank goodness for CNN and MSNBC a much more FAIR AND BALANCED NETWORK!!!

Dorothy

You want to live in a pretend world where Mary Poppins reins supreme. As was once said in a movie “YOU CAN”T HANDLE THE TRUTH!”. Why don’t you come down and out of your ivory tower and join us in the real world. The fact of the matter is that there is hatred of all kinds in this world. Just look at yourself in the mirror once and maybe your “bigotted pathetic FAKE” religion you listen to at CNN and MSNBC just might be called HATE. I can see CNN and MSNBC have taken away your ability to reason and think clearly, as you lack an understanding of the other side of an issue, just like sheep being led to slaughter.

Why is it that you feel this way about Fox? Could it be that you don’t want to know the truth and perhaps be shielded from other points of view?. Which network exposed the truth about Obama? Why didn’t the other networks bring this to light? The fact of the matter is that if Fox doesn’t expose it, you will not hear about it from you’re beloved CNN or Mr. unbiased “Obama gives me shivers” Chris Mathews from MSNBC.

This article shows the lack of analytical detail placed in the research presented to the public by Fox News. The main reason I log on to foxnews.com is to get my heart rate up before my evening workout. Thank you Fox News for changing basic grammar. “…Such an scenario would dramatically reduce costs.” May the entire corporation needs to go back to grade school for a re-education on the English language. Oh yeah, while you are there drop into the U.S. History class.