Mitt Romney on the ticket would be the only reason I would not wear my nose plugs to vote for McCain.

Republicans who don’t vote for McCain for whatever reason are GIVING hillary or obama

the right to pick US Supreme Court judges for the next 8 years…this will destroy any

decency or moral stand we have left…….vote McCain and stop the lib lefties from re-shaping

our culture.

My dear Huckafreaks,

Government is not God. Thanks for the news. I guess God is a Social Conservative. The Taliban is Social Conservative. Barr/Huckabee is a great ticket. Stop McCain. Put a real Social Conservative, Barack Obama, in the White House. In 2012 you can come back and be a joke again. God does have a sense of humor.

The nice part is that McCain WILL make up his own mind, whoever he chooses.

HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON is the right president for AMERICA.

If not – HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON – PRESIDENT —-

THEN, MCCAIN-PRESIDENT — HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON-VICE PRESIDENT

I will only vote for McCain if Romney is the VP. I can tell you I learned a lot from watching evangelicals spew hatred toward Mitt because of his faith and how they have worked so hard to destroy him. It not only made me question my own faith as an evangelical but to whom I would ever vote for. Needless to say I looked at the issues about the difference in the faiths and have converted completely via Baptism, Confirmation and I follow the faith devoutly as I can trust Mormons not to spew hatred and lies for our fellow brothers and sisters. Is this what they are afraid of if Mitt gets into office? I haven’t heard one of Mormon friends yet spout their beliefs, they just walk the walk. I have always been weary of those that wear their faith on the their sleeve then turn right around and do hypocritical things like hurting others with their lies and fears.

I can say that the only politician that I would trust even before I converted recently is Mitt Romney. I almost liked Huckabee for awhile until I heard his hateful towards those of other faiths. We as Mormons are taught to appreciate all other faiths and to not get into disputings over doctrine, which is why Mitt so wonderfully didn’t try to outright convert people with his faith speech. He is running for office not trying to be a Missionary. His shining light did however win over the hatred of Huckabee since there are many people now converting away from the hatred and hypocrisy of the evangelicals or Conservative Christians or whatever they want to call themselves. They just all hate mormons for no good reason and have proven that they are not real Christians.

McCain and Romney a WINNING TICKET…..OH YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can’t see that ticket from happening, they even don’t like each other. A folk baptist and a mormon, different ideas and personalities.

Hillary is at it again. She just said in a live video feed on the NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams that the Civil Rights movement and the 26th amendment gave her the right to vote as a young woman. Just check the facts. The 26th Amendment was signed by President Nixon on July 5, 1971. Ms. Clinton was born on October 26, 1947. At the time of the passage of the 26th Amendment she was 25 years old and had already been eligible to vote for four years. Can this woman ever tell the truth?

Who’s flip -floping now???

The OBAMA Advisers are singing different tune???

– “Adviser Colin Kahl wrote in a policy paper for the Center for a New American Security that the United States should transition to an “over-watch” force of between 60,000 and 80,000 troops by the end of 2010, according to an article Friday in the New York Sun.

That appears to be at odds with Obama’s public position of removing all combat brigades from the country within 16 months of taking office.

Kahl told the Sun his plan would still keep the U.S. “out of the lead” and mainly in a “support role.” He said the plan had nothing to do with the campaign.

The Obama campaign said in a statement: “The writing of Mr. Kahl, one of hundreds of outside advisers to the campaign, is not representative of Barack Obama’s consistent policy position on the Iraq war.”

But Kahl’s plan seems to jibe with other advisers’ statements that Obama’s withdrawal timetables are more a goal than a firm policy commitment.

Foreign policy adviser Susan Rice, for instance, told reporters in February that Obama’s plan to end the war in 2009 is not absolute, and that he reserves the right to revisit troop levels in Iraq upon taking the oath of office….”

SHOULD WE BELIEVE OBAMA WHEN HE SAID “THIS IS A WRONG WAR?” – AND PROMISING AMERICANS THAT HE WILL END IT? BUT WE ARE HEARING TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM HIS SURROGATES???

WHAT IS THIS??? SAYING AND PROMISING SOMETHING BUT PLANNING TO DO DIFFERENT???

WHAT KIND OF PRESIDENCY OBAMA WILL HAVE?

– IF HE WILL BE SURROUNDED BY PEOPLE WHO IS PLANNING TO DO DIFFERENT THINGS THAN WHAT HE IS PROMISING TO AMERICAN PEOPLE???

– FLIP-FLOP!!! FLIP-FLOP!!! FLIP-FLOP!!! FLIP-FLOP!!! FLIP-FLOP!!! FLIP-FLOP!!! FLIP-FLOP!!!

Although the Republican establishment, Sean Hannity, Rush and others have promoted the idea of Romney as the VP, the they seem surprised when REAL conservative leaders stand up and say what many of us have known all along – Mitt Romney is no conservative! Mitt is a flip-flopper on the important social issues of the day, and as a venture captalist has sent thousands of jobs overseas. Our national security has suffered as he makes deals with the Chinese involving our defense, and he has no idea how to relate to the common man. I agree, having Mitt Romney on the ticket would kill the deal for me too!

Go here if you support Obama!

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare

Mitt/McCain would satisfy the Republican Party!

McCain 08!

A Presidential Salary is $400,000K per year. Hillary’s salary as a law partner before her husband got into office was around $60,000K per year. Her salary as a First Lady didn’t exist since she wasn’t any longer a law partner in her firm and she had no salary as a first lady. Her salary per year as a US Senator is $165,200K per year. Bill, as Governor of Arkansas made about $75,000 per year. As President back when Bubba was in office, he got paid $200,000K plus $50,000K in a non-taxable expense account. Now out of office, the Clintons made since 2000 a wopping $109 Million dollars, at least, this is what they claim as they most likely made much more. On Hillary’s $165,200 dollar salary and Bubba’s retirement salary of maybe $100,000 per year, how do these two scum bags accumulate $109 million dollars? Can you say “pay offs for oil”, “pay offs from the Chinese for stolen technology and nuclear secrets” and other dirty money? You make your own assumptions.

Znette, I am a conservative Christian and I would have voted for Mitt. I liked that he seemed to know a lot about business and the economy. I never thought twice about him being a Mormon. I was raised a Southern Baptist. I really didn’t care that the Huckster’s inferred negative comments about the Mormon faith, but even still it would not have changed my mind. Mitt had my vote and if VP nominee he will get it. Some people are extreme and also angry that Huckabee didn’t get nominated. I’m not thrilled about McCain, but he is better than the other 2 socialist.

Who’s flip -floping now???

The OBAMA Advisers are singing different tune???

– “Adviser Colin Kahl wrote in a policy paper for the Center for a New American Security that the United States should transition to an “over-watch” force of between 60,000 and 80,000 troops by the end of 2010, according to an article Friday in the New York Sun.

That appears to be at odds with Obama’s public position of removing all combat brigades from the country within 16 months of taking office.

Kahl told the Sun his plan would still keep the U.S. “out of the lead” and mainly in a “support role.” He said the plan had nothing to do with the campaign.

The Obama campaign said in a statement: “The writing of Mr. Kahl, one of hundreds of outside advisers to the campaign, is not representative of Barack Obama’s consistent policy position on the Iraq war.”

But Kahl’s plan seems to jibe with other advisers’ statements that Obama’s withdrawal timetables are more a goal than a firm policy commitment.

Foreign policy adviser Susan Rice, for instance, told reporters in February that Obama’s plan to end the war in 2009 is not absolute, and that he reserves the right to revisit troop levels in Iraq upon taking the oath of office….”

SHOULD WE BELIEVE OBAMA WHEN HE SAID “THIS IS A WRONG WAR?” – AND PROMISING AMERICANS THAT HE WILL END IT? BUT WE ARE HEARING TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM HIS SURROGATES???

WHAT IS THIS??? SAYING AND PROMISING SOMETHING BUT PLANNING TO DO DIFFERENT???

WHAT KIND OF PRESIDENCY OBAMA WILL HAVE?

– IF HE WILL BE SURROUNDED BY PEOPLE WHO IS PLANNING TO DO DIFFERENT THINGS THAN WHAT HE IS PROMISING TO AMERICAN PEOPLE???

– FLIP-FLOP!!! FLIP-FLOP!!! FLIP-FLOP!!! FLIP-FLOP!!! FLIP-FLOP!!! FLIP-FLOP!!! FLIP-FLOP!!!

***OBAMA CAMP IS NOW SINGING DIFFERENT TUNE BECAUSE OF THE LATEST POLL***

BASE ON THE INSIDER POLL IN THE MILITARY -

- THE MAJORITY OF THE ARM FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES ARE FAVORING TO VOTE EITHER FOR McCAIN OR CLINTON.

- THE MILITARY WILL NEVER VOTE FOR AN “ARAB AMERICAN CANDIDATE”

- THE ARAB NEWS MEDIA POLL – OBAMA IS THEIR NO. 1 CHOICE.

- THE ARAB NEWS MEDIA POLL – THEY HATE CLINTON AND McCAIN FOR THEIR

STRONG SUPPORT TO ISRAEL…

NOW THE BIG QUESTION IS…

- WILL AMERICANS VOTE FOR SOMEBODY THE MILITARY DON’T TRUST???

- FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR COUNTRY PLEASE VOTE FOR McCAIN OR CLINTON

AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!

- THE ONLY QUESTION LEFT TO ASK – WHO IS BEST TO SOLVE OUR ECONOMY PROBLEM??

- VOTE RESPONSIBLY!!!

Conservatives who are basing their pro-McCain vote on the basis of Supreme Court nominees beware.Not only did McCain spearhead the Gang of 14 which effectively squelched the nominations of some of President Bush’s most conservative nominees,but he also expressed disdain for Justice Alito-because he “wears his conservatism on his sleeve”.That’s something nobody could ever say about John McCain!

Andy-

If you are out there-

Ray Robinson below states he has documents which show the following and has a book out ..

have you heard about this? I am assuming your answer will be yes, what are your thoughts on this.

About
In 2003 the United States invaded Iraq to remove Saddam Hussein

from power. Subsequently, the U.S. government collected

millions of the Iraqi regimes documents and media items.

These Arabic documents have been translated and for the first time

reveal the amazing secret support Saddam provided to Islamic

terrorism.

Revealed
Transcripts from meetings in Baghdad showed the Taliban asked

for help and Saddam’s regime agreed to assist them even as the

Taliban provided safe haven and support to Usama bin Laden and

al Qaeda while it plotted the attacks of September 11th, 2001.

These documents reveal that the Saddam regime had a long

history of cooperation with Islamic terrorists and was a

legitimate target in the Global War on Terror.

A man who once spied for Saddam Hussein would later sit with

First Lady Laura Bush at the 2006 State of the Union speech.

Another man who nearly became the Prime Minister of Pakistan

ran messages between Mulla Omar, leader of the Taliban and

Saddam Hussein. In those meetings which included the Defense

Minister of the Taliban, Saddam’s top spy agreed to join with

the Taliban in secret cooperation even as they protected al

Qaeda as it prepared the 9/11 attacks. Another man met with

Saddam’s official and told him the Iranians had sent him 2000

men to train and requested help from Saddam for a “center” in

Baghdad. He is a notorious terror trainer who would later pledge

himself to Usama bin Laden. This terrorist was a regular at

Saddam’s door.

A set of secret orders from Saddam instructed his intelligence

service to work with Islamic fighters against the US forces in

Somalia in 1993. Documents from al Qaeda would show that just

two days after the order, Usama bin Laden’s number two man

would summon his terror trainers and order them to Somalia.

Within months, the Battle of Mogadishu would occur as Americans

were gunned down by a combination of Islamic militants and a

warlord’s fighters. Other documents show that Palestinians from

the terror group Hamas were in Baghdad and in contact with the

regime even as US forces prepared to invade in 2003.

And perhaps even more ominous is the fact that the day before

the anthrax attack began in the United States, Saddam ordered

his officials to be on the lookout for a “poison paper” attack

from Iranian agents. Was it a coincidence or an attempt to

deflect blame?

Even as al Qaeda prepared to attack the US and Christian sites

in the Middle East, documents show Saddam making attack plans

of an eerily similar nature to al Qaeda’s plans. These secret

documents contain a ton of reasons to believe that Saddam was

indeed working with terrorists to attack the United States.

But you won’t hear much about these things in the American media.

They don’t want you to know that Saddam really did work with our

enemies and against us. They don’t want you to know that Saddam

was working with al Qaeda because it would justify the Iraq war.

Broader Context
The story revealed in these pages shows that the United States

was correct in accessing that Saddam Hussein was a threat because

of his support to terrorism. The United States was right to

remove Saddam Hussein from power and stay to fight al Qaeda

in Iraq.

“Ray Robison…has a greater claim to authority than most”

- The UK Guardian

Robison’s work has been covered by or carried on

Fox News, The New York Times, The American Thinker,

Le Monde, The Jerusalem Post, Pajamas Media, Slate,

National Review, CBS and U.S. News & World Report..

“We are assured by high-minded folks that we know for a fact that

Saddam Hussein and his regime had no connection to al Qaeda. But

we don’t know that for a fact. We know as the 9/11 Commission

reported that we have no direct evidence on ongoing collaboration

between Saddam’s regime and al Qaeda. But we don’t know for sure

that there was none. Robison’s post points in the other direction.”

- Michael Barone, U.S. News and World Report

Book Now available at Target.com

Hey, a shout out to hsmith4huck. You should actually look what “big name republicans” are behind the “No Mitt” campaign. Yep you got it, the same guy who endorsed Romney, until he dropped from the race and supported McCain. Since then, he has been quite anti-Romney.
So it is ok that you dislike Romney, but please use intelligent reasons. As you seem to be a Huck supporter, I won’t be holding my breath.

WINNER TAKES ALL PLEDGED DELEGATES IN ALL PRIMARIES/ CAUCUS

AL = 52;

AK = 13;

AZ =56;

AR=35;

CA =370;

CO =55;

CT=48;

DE=15;

GA=87;

HI=20;

ID=18;

IL=153;

IA=45;

KS=32;

LA=56;

ME=24;

MD=70;

MA=93;

MN=72;

MS=33;

MO=72;

NE=24;

NV=25;

NH=22;

NJ=107;

NM=26;

NY=232;

ND=13;

OH=141;

OK=38;

RI=21;

SC=45;

TN=68;

TX=126; TEXAS PRIMARY
TXC=67; TEXAS CAUCUS

UT=23;

VT=15;

VA=83;

WA=78;

WI=74;

WY=12;

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CLINTON=CA+NY+NJ+MA+TN+AR+AZ+OK+NM+TX+RI+OH

OBAMA=AL+AK+CO+CT+DE+GA+ID+IL+IA+KS+LA+MN+MO+NE+ND+SC+UT+WA+WI+VA+VT+MD+HI+TXC+MS+WY

==============================================================

CLINTON =

1313

OBAMA =

1275

Great Work Jack, PA!!! Kudos

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Lets add pledge delegates (winner takes all) from PA, KY, WV, IN, Peurto Rico to HILLARY CLINTON

lets add pledge delegates (winner takes all) from OR, NC to BARRACK OBAMA

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Anybody with an ounce of common sense would say she should be the nominee. But Well, it shows why democratic party is so messed up that they think Obama should win the nominee.
Superdelegates, what the heck is that??? do this delegates wear underwear outside like a superman.

Thank God, Republican party is pretty straight forward with its primaries and caucuses.

CHARLIE CRIST FOR VICE-PRESIDENT

Comment by Pamela
April 4th, 2008 at 9:37 pm

Andy-

If you are out there-

Ray Robinson below states he has documents which show the following and has a book out ..

have you heard about this? I am assuming your answer will be yes, what are your thoughts on this.

———————————

You can download the findings and a whole god of the documents at

fas.org/irp/eprint/iraqi/index.html

thanks Andy:)

Senator McCain, Let’s really unite the Republican party. The only way to do this is to ask Mitt Romney to be your running mate as VP.Hopefully, he will accept. I know that this the only way my family and I will resume sending in monetary donations to the RNC and to the McCain campaign and we will vote for the McCain-Romney ticket in November. Take care.
McCain/Mitt 2008

Huckabee cult members, you need to let it go. You could not make an intelligent, informed argument for his candidacy for president, and you are not making an intelligent, informed argument against Mr. Romney as Mr. McCain’s vice president. All of the arguments made that have a semblance of relevancy have been de-bunked months ago. You apparently willingly ignore the facts in favor of Mr. Huckabee’s Kool-Aid. You are so disappointing.

Has anybody actually read this “petition” what a joke. It state “more than 20 leading social conservatives have sent letters to Sen McCain”

Gee, really a whole 20. WOW! well you have convinced me. NOT!

How stupid.

Mitt Romney should have been president but VP will do. Its good combination. a President who will scare the crap out of the terrorists and a VP who can fix the economy.

Go McCain/Romney!

Its the only possible ticket I could feel good about.

Hi pamela, great post about the book, very interesting, thanks fo info, you too, Andylit.

Probabaly wouldn’t be good for Mitt to join McCain as VP. It’s possible that McCain will be a sinking ship in the General Election if it’s against Obama. It seems that the Republican party is a sinking ship right now anyway.

The Grass Roots for Obama are going to be so enormous if he gets the Dem nomination. The “Fellowship” might be unbeatable.

Chris ,have you been paying attention, what about Obama could you even say is good? And if you say because he is black i’m going to puke!

FAS reports the following .. not only was Sudam entrenched with terrorist, Sudam and his sons tortured and killed his people. God bless our troops for bringing down this tyrant and freeing his people .. I prey our men and women will be able to come home soon. They are fighting the evils of radical muslims, just as moderate mulims fight against also..they have came to America and we Americans need to wake up and stop degrading Bush and America for this fight and start worring over the radical muslims who hate us for our freedoms. America needs to start worring over Iran who will get that bomb.

Iraqi Perspectives Project
Saddam and Terrorism:
Emerging Insights from Captured Iraqi Documents (Redacted)
Institute for Defense Analyses

November 2007 (released March 2008)

Volume 1 examines the relationships between the regime of Saddam Hussein and terrorism in its local, regional, and global context. Volumes 2 through 4 contain the English translations and detailed summaries of the original Iraqi documents cited in Volume 1. Volume 5 contains additional background and supporting documents.

Volume 1 (46 MB PDF)
Volume 2 (23 MB PDF)

Volume 3 (34 MB PDF)

Volume 4 (39 MB PDF)

Volume 5 (43 MB PDF)

Abstract: Captured Iraqi documents have uncovered evidence that links the regime of Saddam Hussein to regional and global terrorism, including a variety of revolutionary, liberation, nationalist, and Islamic terrorist organizations. While these documents do not reveal direct coordination and assistance between the Saddam regime and the al Qaeda network, they do indicate that Saddam was willing to use, albeit cautiously, operatives affiliated with al Qaeda as long as Saddam could have these terrorist–operatives monitored closely. Because Saddam’s security organizations and Osama bin Laden’s terrorist network operated with similar aims (at least in the short term), considerable overlap was inevitable when monitoring, contacting, financing, and training the same outside groups. This created both the appearance of and, in some ways, a “de facto” link between the organizations. At times, these organizations would work together in pursuit of shared goals but still maintain their autonomy and independence because of innate caution and mutual distrust. Though the execution of Iraqi terror plots was not always successful, evidence shows that Saddam’s use of terrorist tactics and his support for terrorist groups remained strong up until the collapse of the regime.

Related Resources
DoD Report on Captured Iraqi Documents, Secrecy News, March 20, 2008

Maintained by Steven Aftergood

Pamela, god God bless you for all your hard work and love for your country,I wish more people would try to be more like you,(a truth seeker).

I am a Huckabee supporter and NoMittVP.com sinks below Mike Huckabee’s campaign standards.

Please don’t put all Huckabee supporters into this basket.

Govnotgod.org…please shut down your NoMittVP.com site. It’s embarrassing to hear about this site.

I am still a Huckabee supporter and NoMittVP.com sinks below Mike Huckabee’s campaign standards.

Please don’t put all Huckabee supporters into this basket.

Govnotgod.org….please shut down your NoMittVP.com site. It’s embarrassing to hear about this site.

Mike and Mitt are two completly different people with different beleifs,so point that out before you bash either…

The democratics sem to be the one tearing each other skin off, looks to me that their ship is sinking faster(right now anyway).

MITT ROMNEY is OVER-QUALIFIED, great ideas about economy, classy, dignified, good family, good man, good husband & father. I as well hope that you shut that down – is that for Huckabee? He had a REAL job, governor & ran a business. McCAIN/ROMNEY would be EXCELLENT!

Comments about McCain /Romney being different? Yea so what? That’s good they both bring strengths to the office vs. Clintons stenching up the place or Obama with all his American-hating friends. Farrakan is right about Hollywood putting out garbage & destroying morals, but then his racist rants discredit any good points he makes. Same as Rev. Wright, that fanatic crazy talk destroys any good traits.

This petition very accurately represents my feelings. I am on the verge of leaving the Rep party after the way the GOP establishment treated Mike Huckabee. If Mitt is chosen as McCain’s running mate, I will consider it a “slap in the face” and will be GONE! Mitt is NO conservative… He is an opportunist that will say or do anything on any given day to promote himself.

Holly I wish more people would take a little time to research and not just go on sound bytes..I am constantly learning, I admit when I was younger I was naive myself until someone challenged me to actually learn the facts ..plus I am a believer in God and I feel this is truly a fight against good verses evil. Hey but look at you..you are a searcher for truth also..so thank you!!

HELLO HOLLY, Good to see you again!!!

WHY ISN’T THE AMERICAN PRESS BRINGING TO THE AMERICAN’S ATTENTION THAT HILLARY CLINTON IS

CURRENTLY UNDER A FEDERAL INDICTMENT RELATING TO A CAMPAIGN FRAUD CASE OF PETER PAUL AND STAN LEE MEDIA IN 1996?

HER TRIAL IS SET FOR THIS AUGUST BUT NO MENTION OF IT IN THE MEDIA?? WHY IS THIS?

SURELY, A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE WHO HAS AN UPCOMING FRAUD TRIAL IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN A PASTOR WHO WENT ON A RANT AT HIS CHURCH !

WHERE’S THE REPORTING ON HILLARY?

FAIR AND BALANCED REPORTING? SURE MAKES ONE THINK ABOUT THAT STATEMENT .

WHY ARE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NOT BEING TOLD THE TRUTH ABOUT HILLARY’S AUGUST TRIAL DATE?

THEY SURE JUMPED ON JEREMIAH WRIGHT…WHY AREN’T THEY JUMPING ON HILLARY’S

UPCOMING FEDERAL CAMPAIGN FRAUD TRIAL WHEN SHE LIED TO THE DNC ABOUT FUNDRAISING RAISED THAT

SHE DIDN’t REPORT ??

Hey Holly, may I ask you what the topic of discussion is tonigh?

Comment from Hillary

I don’t understand your raving about Hillary and this so called fraud case you are talking about. First, you should always make sure that you have your facts before you open your mouth. Second, If in fact there is a so called fraud case the media would be all over it, like flies on sh-t.
Hillary has been torn apart my the bias media that want Obama in office, so I suggest you get your facts together first.

Hey Holly, are you there?

Comment by Cathy
April 5th, 2008 at 12:45 am
Comment from Hillary

I don’t understand your raving about Hillary and this so called fraud case you are talking about. First, you should always make sure that you have your facts before you open your mouth. Second, If in fact there is a so called fraud case the media would be all over it, like flies on sh-t.
Hillary has been torn apart my the bias media that want Obama in office, so I suggest you get your facts together first.
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Cathy

It is about time Hillary gets torn apart by the media..trust me she has had a stroll in the park for the past years she has been in politics with her corupt record and deceiving ways..karma is a funny thing. I would list them all but I am sure everyone is getting sick of seeing them. Gotta go to bed anyway..but it’s all there if you want to see..go to HillaryTheMovie.avi for a good idea.

Those republicans are out of their minds. Mitt Romney would be perfect. I know many people who love the idea. I can’t think of anyone better than Romney.

Hello all…
The Only thing worse than flip flop Romney as VP. Is Rudy AND that’s bad..
McCain needs a real social republican.
THAT IS HUCKABEE…
Rudy is a democrat at heart. And Romney has been on both sides of the Abortion issue…
Only Huckabee Stands out . As the pro life , pro marriage ,pro family republican…. AND you republicans need US. If not for those on the far right. You will never win . We make up like 15- 20% of the republican party.. TRY to win without US… It can not be done..

WHO should be John McCain’s vice presidential choice. The first one, MITT ROMNEY. HE is the most exciting person to watch!!! HE who can draw in more crowds to the republicans.

THANKS

I know Mitt’s supporters hate me, but I most post this anyway.

Mitt Romney as Governor: Raised fees and new taxes by 700 million a year as governor. Government spending grew by 5.2 billion during his time as governor. Mass had the third worse job growth rate in America under his watch. He started socialized medicine in Mass( ya that conservative). You can read more at http://azamaterofact.blogspot.com/2008/01/mitt-romney-economic-double-speak.html.com If this link doesn’t work just go to http://azamaterofact.blogspot.com and read ‘Economic Double Speak’. For more reading go to http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/howell5.html.com The article is called “Mitt Romney:Champion of Big Government. It is by Carla Howell

Now look at Huckabee: Raised taxes by 500 million during his full ten years. He spent it on improving road and education( those are conservative issues) Raised government spending by 4.5 million his full ten years.

I know that Dean will probably start saying that these are all half truths. But yet again his probably only read one of the many articles I’ve posted.

Ike: Are you the same Ike I talked to earlier( like a few months ago) If it is you I wanted to apologize for messing up. Mitt Romney did have a surplus.

Hi Holly: I won’t be able to blog any more tonight. But my guess is that this will get something started.

Comment by Jack, PA
April 4th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
WINNER TAKES ALL PLEDGED DELEGATES IN ALL PRIMARIES/ CAUCUS

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It still comes down to SD….not the people making the choice for Dem Nominee.

People if you want to know about Mitt. Goggle Mitt Romney:Champion of Big Government. There is an article from Carla Howell that tell the truth about Romney

I am so mad, I made a really detailed post before my last one. And for some reason it was not posted.( I said nothing wrong). Mitt Romney raised taxes and fee by 700 million a year while governor. It makes the amount Huckabee raised look pretty good doesn’t it. My list had a lot more points in it then this, but I need to go to bed.

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OBAMA GIRL FOR MCCAIN’S Veep INSTEAD!!!
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I WANT TO HEAR MORE ABOUT OBAMA GIRL!!!
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1.) Selma Got Me Born – LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 – Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.

2.) Father Was A Goat Herder – LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.

3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter – LIAR, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had

4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom – LIAR, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades.

Obama Girl for McCain’s Veep…LOL!!!

No, instead Sean Hannity should be McCain’s Veep.

5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian – LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn’t allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.

6.) My Name is African Swahili – LIAR, your name is Arabic and ‘Baraka’ (from which Barack came) means ‘blessed’ in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.

7.) I Never Practiced Islam – LIAR, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years,until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.

8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian – LIAR, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).

9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian – LIAR, not one teacher says you could speak the language.

10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience – LIAR, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn’t even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.

11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs – LIAR, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.

12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion – LIAR, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify – your classmates said you were just fine.

13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office – LIAR, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.

14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life – LIAR, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.

15.) I Won’t Run On A National Ticket In ‘08 – LIAR, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.

16.) Present Votes Are Common In Illinois – LIAR, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.

17.) Oops, I Misvoted – LIAR, only when caught by church groups and democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.

18.) I Was A Professor Of Law – LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer – LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill – LIAR, you didn’t write it,introduce it, change it, or create it.

21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass – LIAR, it took just 14 days from start to finish.

22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill – LIAR, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation – mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

23.) I Have Released My State Records – LIAR, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess – LIAR, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.

25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America – LIAR, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.

26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois – LIAR, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.

27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year – LIAR, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

28.) No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA – LIAR, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.

29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism – LIAR, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel.

30.) I Am Not Acting As President Yet – LIAR, after the NAFTA Memo, a dead terrorist in the FARC, in Colombia, was found with a letter stating how you and he were working together on getting FARC recognized officially.

31.) I Didn’t Run Ads In Florida – LIAR, you allowed national ads to run 8-12 times per day for two weeks – and you still lost.

32.) I Won Michigan – LIAR, no you didn’t.

33.) I won Nevada – LIAR, no you did not.

34.) I Want All Votes To Count – LIAR, you said let the delegates decide.

35.) I Want Americans To Decide – LIAR, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.

36.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate – LIAR, you passed 26, most of which you didn’t write yourself.

37.) My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend – LIAR, that friend is threatening to sue if you do not stop saying this. Obama has stopped saying this.

38.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics – LIAR, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

39.) I Don’t Take PAC Money – LIAR, you take loads of it.

40.) I don’t Have Lobbysists – LIAR, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.

41.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad – LIAR, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

42.) My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace – LIAR, Tom, who started MySpace issued a warning about this advertising to MySpace clients.

43.) I Inspire People With My Words – LIAR, you inspire people with other people’s words.

44.) I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate – LIAR, you have passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate – for Africa, which shows YOUR priorities.

45.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq – LIAR, you weren’t in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time, unlike Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you Obama. You also seem to be stepping back from your departure date – AGAIN.

46.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care – LIAR, your plan leaves us all to pay the 15,000,000 who don’t have to buy it.

47.) I Only Found Out About My Investment Conflicts Via Mail – LIAR, both companies you site as having sent you letters about this conflict have no record of any such letter ever being created or sent.

48.) I Am As Patriotic As Anyone – LIAR, you won’t wear a flag pin and you don’t put your hand over your heart during the Anthem.

49.) My Wife Didn’t Mean What She Said About Pride In Country – LIAR, your wife’s words follow lock-step in the vein of Wright and Farrahkan, in relation to their contempt and hatred of America.

50.) Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn’t Support – LIAR, your wife has received nearly a quater of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is connected to Wal-Mart.

51.) Treehouse Is A Small Company – LIAR, the CEO of Treehouse last year, made more than the CEO of Wal-Mart, according to public records.

52.) University Of Chicago Hospital Pay Is Fair – LIAR, your wife’s pay raise was nearly 150% her already bloated rate and the hospital is a Non-Profit Hospital, which made $100,000,000 in the last 3 years. They overcharge blacks VS whites for services, and overcharge everyone in general by 538%!

53.)I Barely Know Rezko – Only 5 Billed Hours – LIAR, you have known him for 17 years, and decided to do a real estate deal with him during a time when he was proven to be under investigation. Despite this, you divided your property and had them take off $300K before the mortgage problems started. Then Rezko’s wife buys the lot beside it that you can’t afford, saving you $625,000.

54.) My Donations Have Been Checked Thoroughly – LIAR, you only gave back Hsu ($72K) and Rezko (first $66K, then when caught lying $86K, then when caught lying again $150K and now caught lying YET AGAIN OBAMA, it’s $250k) their money when publically called on their involvement in your campaigns.

55.) My Church Is Like Any Other Christian Church – LIAR, your church is so extreme, the pastor who married you, Rev. Wright, just got done blaming the US for 9/11 and named Louis Farrahkan their person of the year.

56.) I Disagree With My Church All The Time – LIAR, you still have yet to repudiate Wright, who married you and your wife, and you still donate large sums of money to assist the church in furthering its message – hatred and revenge. You donated in 2006 alone, $22,500 to the church that you so terribly disagree with. That is nearly $500 PER WEEK – that sure is disagreement, Senator Obama.

57.) I Have Clean Connections Despite Rezko – LIAR, you are not only connected to Exelon and Rezko, you are also connected to Hillary PAC supporter Mr. Hsu, AND an Iraqi Billionaire of ill repute, Nadhmi Auchi, who ripped off people in the Food For Oil, Iraqi deal. Seems Mr. Auchi may have helped Obama buy his million dollar property long before Obama had millions of dollars. Wonder what favors Mr. Auchi expects, when Obama leaves Iraq free to be taken over by special interests such as him.

58.) I never heard sermons like Rev. Wright’s, that have been in videos all day, You Tube – LIAR! 3 days later during your Mea Culpa BS speech you said “Did I hear controversial statements while I sat in that church? Yes I did.”

59.) The Passport Invasion is a conspiracy to find dirt on me! – LIAR. Your own Campaign Foreign Policy Advisor is the CEO of the company that looked into your records. PS – You had them look into yours to hide the fact you looked into Clinton’s and McCain’s more than a year before!

60.) Rev. Meeks has nothing to do with my campaigning – LIAR. Rev. Meeks appeared in ads for your Senate Campaign, donated to you, and helped raise money, then AND NOW. PS – He also seems to despise America.

61.) My wife didn’t mean America is ignorant, she was just using a phrase – LIAR. Again, MicHELLe’s comments perfectly sync with Wright’s, Meeks’, and Farrakhans, both in language, anger, and direction.

62.) I am very Anti-Terror – LIAR. [03/30/2008] One of your good pals is long time radical and terrorist William Ayers, with whom you have been seen in the last 12 months and who has helped the now jailed khalidi, Professor at Columbia who invited Ahmadinejad to the University, to raise money for Palestinian terrorism attacks against Israel. PS – Your church published a pro Hamas Manifesto – guess you weren’t there on THAT Sunday either? How lucky for you.

63.) I have the best plan to cure the Mortgage Crisis – LIAR. [03/30/2008] You and your campaign buddy Penny SubPrime Bank Collapse Prizker have had your little fingers full of subprime cash – Obama has taken $1,180,103 from the top issuers of subprime loans: Obama received $266,907 from Lehman, $5395 from GMAC, $150,850 from Credit Suisse First Boston, $11,250 from Countrywide, $9052 from Washington Mutual, $161,850 from Citigroup, $4600 from CBASS, $170,050 from Morgan Stanley, $1150 from Centex, and last but certainly NOT LEAST – Obama received $351,900 from Goldman Sachs. I am sure that cash all came from folks who knew the subprime loan they had was a dream, eh?

64) I played greater role in crafting liberal stands on gun control, the death penalty and abortion – LIAR – [03/31/2008] It was found that Obama — the day after sitting for the interview — filed an amended version of the questionnaire, which appears to contain Obama’s own handwritten notes added to one answer. Read Obama had greater role on liberal survey

65) I did NOT play the race card: – LIAR – [03/31/2008] Obama was the first to play the race card. According to Phialdelphia Inquirer, Quietly, the storm over the hateful views expressed by Sen. Barack Obama’s pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, has blown away the most insidious myth of the Democratic primary campaign. Obama and his surrogates have charged that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has deliberately and cleverly played the race card in order to label Obama the “black” candidate. Read more here

66) I did not take money from oil companies: – LIAR – [03/31/2008]
THE FACTS: True enough, Obama does not take money from oil companies. No candidate does. It is illegal for corporations to give money to politicians. Corporations, however, do have political action committees that collect voluntary donations from employees and then donate them to candidates. Obama doesn’t take money from PACs. He also doesn’t take money from lobbyists.

But he does accept money from executives and other employees of oil companies and two of his fundraisers are oil company executives. As of Feb. 29, Obama’s presidential campaign had received nearly $214,000 from oil and gas industry employees and their families, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics. Clinton had received nearly $307,000 from industry workers and their families and Republican Sen. John McCain, the likely GOP presidential nominee, received nearly $394,000, according to the center’s totals.

Two of Obama’s fundraisers are Robert Cavnar, the chairman and chief executive of Houston-based Mission Resources Corp., and George Kaiser, the president and CEO of Tulsa-based Kaiser-Francis Oil Co.

54.) My Donations Have Been Checked Thoroughly – LIAR, you only gave back Hsu ($72K) and Rezko (first $66K, then when caught lying $86K, then when caught lying again $150K and now caught lying YET AGAIN OBAMA, it’s $250k) their money when publically called on their involvement in your campaigns

.) I have the best plan to cure the Mortgage Crisis – LIAR. [03/30/2008] You and your campaign buddy Penny SubPrime Bank Collapse Prizker have had your little fingers full of subprime cash – Obama has taken $1,180,103 from the top issuers of subprime loans: Obama received $266,907 from Lehman, $5395 from GMAC, $150,850 from Credit Suisse First Boston, $11,250 from Countrywide, $9052 from Washington Mutual, $161,850 from Citigroup, $4600 from CBASS, $170,050 from Morgan Stanley, $1150 from Centex, and last but certainly NOT LEAST – Obama received $351,900 from Goldman Sachs. I am sure that cash all came from folks who knew the subprime loan they had was a dream, eh?

American conserative are you here, let me know when you are?

Who should be John McCain’s vice presidential choice.

THE first one, MITT ROMNEY. HE is the most exciting person to watch!! good business guy who can

raise money and has name recognition. THE governor ran a good campaign. HE’s smart, honest,

also, his conservative views may help MR. McCain with the right- wing that distrust him.

NOW there’s no rush for McCain to name a running mate. Drama creates interest, of course.

THANKS

ac, sorry I can’t wait any longer ,please find me tomorrow.

Folks be careful what you ask for. To assume someone is a good business manager because THEY look wealthy, ran a business, and knows how to advise corporate executives how to offshore their business to avoid paying their fair share of corporate taxes doesn’t mean this person would be a good business manager much let alone a leader (VP or President).

To make your money by buying struggling companies, lay off their workforce (or cripple them beyond repair), suck out any remaining profits, and force them into bankruptcy or outright closure isn’t what I would call good business. Sure, it might make the guy doing this look VERY PROFITABLE but I would consider that to be blood money. I’m not saying there aren’t times where workforce realignment isn’t necessary but more than the not the problem doesn’t lie in the workforce rather in management. All too often companies like Mitt’s come in at the advisement of the Board of Directors, to come in and clean up the books to make the company look attractive (translation = strip out all costs), so they can pump the stock back up. These are short-term benefits but in the end the real loser is the worker and their community. Instead of figuring out root cause(s), they look for cosmetic changes while focusing their attention on the books, slashing everything, no rhyme or reason. Proper restructuring is seldom seen these days, should be focused on a get well plan that values its workforce and looks for ways to drive greater efficiencies and expense reduction but realigns their workforce to new ways to grow revenue.

Mitt isn’t in the latter mold, he’s in the former mold. He’s made his fortune gutting companies and advising executives how to avoid paying taxes. He is not someone that cares two hoots about how to revitalize companies and how to motivate its workforce; to net it out, to the common man, he’s the guy that laid you off not the guy that brought you to prosperity.

So do you want someone that tells you what you want to hear or someone that tells you what you need to hear. By the way, if you want someone that tells you what you want to hear, you might as well go vote for Obama.

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Really at this point I don’t care to the VP is just as long as Obama doesn’t become our next President!

Dust – don’t you have any new material?

I read the ad. Sounds like a mob is forming. I guess they didn’t have enough room for Kenneth Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Benny Hinn to sign on as supporters. Actions like this make the evangelical right even more irrelevant.

I have a personal story about Mitt Romney.
In my eyes, he is an intelligent respectful man.
There is a little girl in Massachusetts named Haleigh poutre! (Google her).
She was severely beaten, nearly to death by her adoptive parents.
Haleigh ended up in a coma. Her doctors diagnosed her to be in a persistive vegetative state.
The Dept of Social Services went to court and won the right to remove Haleigh Poutre from life support. Much to the amazment of everyone, Haleigh began breathing on her own. There was such a public outcry that it made it to Governor Romney’s attention. Thank God!!!!
Romney personally stepped in.
He had Haleigh moved out of that hospital to a Catholic children’s rehab named St. Frances Children’s Rehab. Catholics don’t “pull plugs”
Haleigh is not only still alive because of Romney and some reporters who brought it to his attention,but she is now aiding in the prosecution of her stepfather!
Mitt Romney started the biggest shake-up in the DSS!
Heads rolled from the top down! He meant business!
Romney is also a mathematical whizz! He can balance the checkbook!
McCain has guts and Romney has brains!
I think that would be a great match-up!

Hey Dust,

Welcome back. I see your position has changed a bit. Now Romney raised taxes 700 million a year. Wow. So you are saying he raised taxes 2.8 billion in his 4 years as Governor. Last time I checked the Mass. tax code it doesn’t quite reflect those numbers. I guess because Dust said it, it must be true. Oh, well I guess Huckabee did say that Romney raised taxes 700 million. So it must be true. It is unfortunate that the facts show that Romney did raise fees 240 million. Then Huckabee added the 170 million in closed loopholes revenues. Since those loophole closings guaranteed the income that was already on the books and only reflected on large companies, Then Huckabee added the 400 million in raised taxes that went into effect after Romney became governor, but were instituted by the previous governor, that was Romeny’s fault too. Good agruement Dust. If you come back to defend your post, I will amused to see when you say “that isn’t what you mean” and “I am twisting your words”. Those tended to always be your other arguments to defend you painful lack of credible evidence.
Greg C. – Try doing some research on Bain Capital and Bain & Company. You might learn something about business. This idea that Romney bought up business and then sold off the parts is really painfully stupid. That isn’t lucrative. Buying a business and making it profitable again, is lucrative. But you did do a good job of parroting the pundits. I am sure that took a lot of mental prowess to accomplish.

Vanilla Ice: Why do I need more material, you Mitt Domney supporter haven’t answered anything. Do you have any material?

Why do you support a canidate that supported socialized medicine in Mass? Read about at http://www.Boston.com the article is called ‘In ways, Clinton gealthcare plan resembles Romney’s Mass solution’ Why don’t you Google Carla Howell, she’s a Mass conservative that has a few things to say about Mitt.

Also to read about what Mitt did will governor at http://www.azamatterofact.blogspot.com The article is called ‘Economic Double Speak’.Mass had the third worse job growth in the nation( beating Michagan( I think it was Mich) and Louisiana). And it probably wouldn’t have beat Louisiana if it wasn’t for Hurrican Katrina.

Ike: Nice to see you again. I did you get my apology. I was wrong Mitt did have a good surplus.
Ike do go read the article called ‘Economic Double Speak’ It will prove everything I put down. And no it didn’t come from Huckabee’s website. It came from everywhere else.

The writing is on the wall McCain/Lieberman. They are joined by the hip. Who else have you seen with McCain all the time. He’s trying to tell us something.

Dust – why do I need any material? Huck is out, Romney is out. Of course to you Huck supporters, it isn’t enough that Romney is out. This ad is a pure hit piece. I thought Huck didn’t do negative ads….. unless he showed to the MSM for free.

Dust I know the truth hurts, but Mitt did say that a vote for Huck was a vote for McCain. Mitt was castigated for that comment by the Huck supporters. Now the Huck supporters are saying a vote for Romney as VP is a vote for the democrats. You all are the most vile of hypocrits.

Since you voted for Huck, we are all stuck with McCain. You can’t control who McCain chooses for VP. Its a one person vote for the VP candidate.

But you can keep beating the anti-mitt drum. Every time you do, it shows your true colors more and more.

McCain/ Romney makes geographical sense.
McCain can carry the south and west part of the country.
Romney can get the N.E., all the way to Utah and through to the N.W.

Vanilla Ice: I could very well say that because you all voted for Mitt we are stuck with McCain. Don’t make an argument that I can through right back at you. Mitt is a coward, he didn’t even fight to the end.

I have said over and over that I will support a McCain/Romney ticket. I just don’t think it is the best idea. Both of them are terrible for the economy.

Were have I said the a vote as Romney as VP is a vote for the democrates. I admit a few extermist have said that, but so would Mitt’s supporters if the situation was switch. Truth does hurt though, so if you read what I’ve been posting, you should be hurting right now.

Romney would hurt McCain in the South. Plus we can’t have two flip-flops on the same ticket. We are gathering ammo for the Democrates. Let not give them any ammo. I don’t think Huck or Mitt should be VP. I have said that over and over. Duncan Hunter would be good as VP, or Colin Powell.

Dust,

I appreciate your previous concession, but you are still using the same argument. Your figures on taxes are way off. I gave you the numbers where the 700 million comes from. Romney has been upfront about what he raised and what he didn’t. It is also verified by Mass. Tax Code.
And to jump into your conversation with Vanilla Ice about socialized medicine. Romney came up with a plan to fix health care in MA. In only MA, and was adamant that it was a plan in MA. The study in MA was that 2/3rds of the uninsured in MA could afford health care, but chose not to buy insurance. Therefore, jacking up the price for everyone else. So a plan was passed for the government to provide citizens without health care with health care through private companies. Kind of like a business does it, but through tax revenue. A specific health care tax was imposed on all who didn’t have health care, through work, private health care, or a health savings account. Those under the poverty line didn’t pay anything and were insured. Those that made under 3 times the poverty line, had to pay a very small fee. (I beleive it was 200 but I don’t remember) and those that made over 60,000 had to actually pay the full amount. The amount that this health care costs the state is only larger than assumed because over double the estimated number of citizens have signed up for it. But health care premiums have been cut in HALF. Some might argued that this is great, but not the role of Government. They shouldn’t interfere. I have had this argument myself. I would say that if people are taking advantage of others by not paying their health care costs and causing everyone else to foot the bill, then the government must step in. Romney never said that was a plan for all of the states. That is how it worked in MA.
For all those who are going to jump in and talk about how Romney supported $50 copay for abortions you really should stop now. Take a breath. Stop quoting Huckabee’s ad/non-ad. Romney fought against that, but the Supreme Court of MA tied the governors hands.

Dust,

How is it that Romney is bad for the economy? He actually understands it? Is that somehow a problem. You may not appreciate what he did in business, but you have to admit that he succeeded. You might not fully grasp the economic issues involved in the Olympics, but he did it. So if he is constantly successful when dealing with large budgets, what is it that makes him unqualified to help with the U.S. budget?

Dust – YOU can make the argument that a vote for Mitt was a vote for McCain, but you can’t argue that MITT was right about his comment BEFORE we all ended up with McCain. Huck never said it. Too bad for you.

Mitt is a coward, how quaint a phrase. How do you define the end? To use that logic means you can only define the word “end” as Huck defined it. Otherwise, everyone who dropped out before Huck are likewise “cowards”.

I’m not hurting. I’m laughing. Obviously the Huck supporters who did this hit piece ad are delusional. They think because they voted for Huck and they got McCain they can somehow manipulate McCain as if he were “their” candidate.

To Patty _ Arizona: Well Done! It’s shame that so many folks shall never accept the truth about Obama — he’s their god and savior lol.

Romney’s personal success shows he is a good “numbers man”!
He understands the finite details of running a business. I believe our economy should be in the hands of a successful numbers man.
McCain is very intelligent as well. He understands the logistics of national security better than most other politicians.
He is certainly the candidate that will keep this country safe.

Ike: I could care less if it cut premiums in Half. It still going to come out of our pockets. If people are paying half. Then is the government not making any money doing this, or are they losing money. That all we need is more taxes to support our government so they can support us. Why can’t we just use are money directly to support us. Mitt is not a conservative or he wouldn’t have supported the program.

I didn’t really understand what you said about the private business. Poor people were insured though private companies. Are these people working for those companies. Or are they supported by our tax money.

According the article I read Mitt did raise Fees and taxes by 700 million a year. I double check with it.

With Mitt Romney on the Republican ticket is a ticket I can support. I am a staunch Republican and with Romney on the ticket I will be more than glad to vote McCain. McCain/Romney 08.

Vanilla Ice: You are delusional. That the only response I owe you.

Ike: I really can’t do this all day because we only have one phone line.( I have dial up connection). But I encourage you to read the articles I have posted. I will be able to post here and there but not much. I just found this article that has more on tax burdens.
http://www.charmaineyoest.com/2008/01/huckabee/lowers_tax_burden.php.com

Sorry Link didn’t work. I really don’t understand why the won’t. Googe Mass tax under Romney. Reasoned Audacity is what it is labeled under.

Is it still posible to see a Sean Hannity & Ann Coulter ticket…?

Is it still posible to see a Sean Hannity & Ann Coulter ticket..?

I think McCain and Hillary would be great for America with Hillary in 2012, that is unless you are a diehard REP. or DEM

Dust,

It seems what you don’t understand is quite limitless.
The point of private insurance, is that it isn’t government run insurance. The government, collects a tax from those who don’t have insurance. I do have insurance so the tax wouldn’t apply to me. For those who pay for insurance, through work or on their own or through a health savings account, they don’t pay the tax. Those who choose not to have health care are taxed, and those taxes are used to cover those individuals. So you and I aren’t covering them, as is happening under current situations. The MA government is stopping freeloaders from taking advantage of honest hard workers. So it is actual the opposite of socialism, or liberalism, whatever you want to call it.
Did you say you need to double check and article to look at what Romney did on taxes. The article is using the number of dollars that tax payers had increased, in the 4 years Romney was there. It is a skewed figure. As I stated earlier. According to the MASSACHUSETTS TAS CODE, $400 million was implemented after Romney took office, but that is only because the previous governor pushed them through before he left, $240 million was in fees, and $170 million in closed loop holes. Trying to throw it all on Romney’s shoulders is what opponents try to do. Look at the facts. Go to the source. Or do you prefer to drink the water after the cows have muddied it.

Thanks for coming back with the “I dont’ understand” argument. You didn’t need to say it, it was obvious by all of your posts.

Dust,
Sorry, I didn’t talk about the premiums being cut in half. In MA, a person who is paying $300 a month in insurance premiums, won’t be taxed because they are already paying for insurance, but his premium is cut in half. That is $150 dollars…just to make it easy on you. Why does this happen you might ask. Hospitals treat everyone, but only collect on those who pay their bill. Primarily insurance companies. So hospitals charge insurance companies more to cover their costs. Well if everyone pays their bill, because it is taken out of their taxes, insurance companies drop their premiums.
Also you spouted about the government not making money if premiums were cut in half. That makes no sense, so I will try to help your confusion. The government collects the tax, but doesn’t provide the insurance. The government then hires a private insurance company to insure the people. Do you get it? I doubt it, but hey maybe someone learned something.

As an evangelical I am ashamed of this group of “supposed” christians. Do we hear this kind of bashing from the mormons? Certainly not. They just walk the talk and act like we should be acting. I thought Huckabee and his crowd didn’t do negative advertising, except when it was free to the press of course. I have never seen such hypocrites in my life. I don’t see it in the word of God that you try to destroy one man to get your guy exalted. It also seems rather odd to me that millions of others have found the truth concerning all of these “lies” that you have laid out, and that is what they are is lies. There is truth behind every lie you have spewed out of your mouth and you refuse the truth because it won’t help your cause of trying to force and demand that Huckabee be put into a position that he is not qualified for. And I would cautiously warn all of you Huckabee supporters that Huckabee is not your savior and the messiah. Anyone just go to the Huckabee for president website and read the blogs. These people worship the ground he walks on and carry on and on like he is the new Jesus of this day and age that we live in. If Huckabee was really trying to unite the GOP like he says, he would shut all of this nonsense down and quit leading these people on to keep the fires burning and the hate raging towards McCain and Romney. Like I said, I am ashamed of all of you, including Mike Huckabee.

I think that both Huckabee and Romney would be bad for the Romney ticket. Let them fill Cabinent positions if they wast them. I am not sure when the next Federal Reserve appointment comes up, but that might be a natural for Romney. Other possibilities would be Treasury, or even creating a new ombudsman position as Secretary for American Competitiveness. Huckabee could go on to something like Interior.

Both of them would poison the ticket this year. Romney in the Bible Belt, Huckabee in the Intermoun West plus Colorado. After the election this is an issue that needs to be resolved, even if it means breaking up the party by 2010. Both sides need to recognize that there is a lot at stake. IF the party splits it will take years to build a new organization that can run a full national campaign, especially when there are two bitterly opposed competing groups.

I fo one would like to see the GOP avoid using a religious test for office as is required by the U S Constitution for Governmental entities. In the past I have gladly voted for, and will gladly continue voting for Evangelicals. However, if members of my faith are not welcome as nominees, I see no sense in having members of my faith as either voters or party workers.

Lloyd

Hey, the StopMitt campaign sounds like blackmail to me. “We have the power. Do it our way or we will sink the ship!” What about that type of attitude is “Christian”? You must be reading it from some other Bible than the one I use.

Ike: Stop being a jerk. I have said nothing to deserve your hate. Thank you for explaining what you meant better though. I can almost garantee you that it won’t work. You said that people that don’t have the insurance are taxed to pay for our insurance. Ya that sounds fair, so basically the government is trying to tax everyone into getting insurance. Nice, that sounds real nice. And then the poor are pay less but get the same care I take it. Gez, why not be poor? With people like Mitt Romney why word hard when the government will take care of you. If you don’t call this a socialism then you are blind. It will end up the same as very other time the government gets involved with something. We will end up paying more taxes. You also said that the government hires private companies to insure the people. Please explain what you mean when you say ‘hire’.

The article clealy said That under Mitt Romney taxes increased by more than 700 million per year. That is exactly what it says.

I’m sick of comments on here that blame Huckabee for this website. I did read anywhere in the article that Huck had anything to do with it.

Lee: I’m a Christian, but that not why I support Huckabee. His record is ten times better than Mitts.

Sorry typo,’I didn’t read anywhere’. And in my earlier post I meant to say ‘why work hard’

Dust: have you talked to american conserative today?Hi, and how are you?

No: I have not. I’ve been talking to a liberal though. I’ve been doing well, just sick of Mitt supporters that don’t know what there talking about.

Ike: Google, ‘State Experiments with Socialized Medicine Already Failing’. It should lead you to a very interesting article.

Holly: My first comment was meant for you.

Ike: you support a man that put a tax burden on the uninsured to force them to get insurance. You also support a canidate that supports laziness. The poor will have no zeal to find a job if the government takes care of them. The rich are paying for the poor mans insurance basically. The rich have higher premiums and get the same care as the poor. The poor pay almost nothing and get almost the same care as the rich. The rich foke won’t put up with this. Mitt socialized medicine plan is already failing. So stop justify it, it is wrong and against conservativism. If you Google what I told you to then you will see how great socialized medicine is for Mass. Thanks Romney for messing Mass up. You liberal democrate.

Thanks for making this argument Ike. It really did show me how liberal Mitt Romney really is.

Dust, I meant the republican one? sorry you are mad, I would help out ,but don.t know much abot mitt, I was pulling for Huckabee!!

No matter what anyone says a mcCain/ mitt or a mccain/ huck ( i am in no way a huck fan) is way BETTER than a hillary or obama anyday!

I do not see why these leaders are making such a big stink, Since we are uniting not dividing the party( since the primaries for the GOP are clearly over.

NO matter who mcCain pick for a vp someone will cry about it. So whether it is mitt or someone else, get over it and look at the alternative, you will find the choice is very very easy to make the choice.

McCain/ or whoever 2008!!!!!!!!!!!

Dust,

YOU DON”T UNDERSTAND….We pay for everyone who doesn’t pay their medical bills. All hospitals, by law, take care of everyone who comes to them. This costs money. Who do you think pays for it? People who pay for insurance, pay higher premiums so that those who don’t pay, get paid for anyway. That is the way the system works across the US. Do you understand that. That is socialism. Romney made it so that those who can afford it that choose not to, now have to. That is the opposite of socialism. If people choose to be lazy and not pay for it, then they won’t pay for it now, or under any plan. They never have, and never will. They get a free ride no matter what. So yes, people who can afford insurance that don’t pay it so that you and I do pay, must not pay it. Those people can’t now take advantage of the system. That is GOOD.
As for you keep bringing up this $700 million in taxes. You read that in an article. I went to the source and explained it all to you.
You obviously fail to understand that people who buy insurance are paying less. The people who are responssible are now releaved of the burden of the lazy people.
I don’t understand how reading is so difficult for you.

Comment by nate
April 5th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
No matter what anyone says a mcCain/ mitt or a mccain/ huck ( i am in no way a huck fan) is way BETTER than a hillary or obama anyday!

I do not see why these leaders are making such a big stink, Since we are uniting not dividing the party( since the primaries for the GOP are clearly over.

NO matter who mcCain pick for a vp someone will cry about it. So whether it is mitt or someone else, get over it and look at the alternative, you will find the choice is very very easy to make the choice.

McCain/ or whoever 2008!!!!!!!!!!!
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I agree, Mccain and anybody,before Obama or Hillary….

Mitt in 2008 as VP would give me hope for America. Mitt in 2012 as President!!!!!!

Right now we have 3 idiots to choose from.

Bigots ruined this election – thanks Huck supporters.

That article/statement is a Joke!!!! And who are the 20 social conservative leaders of the republican party? They don’t even name them — lies.

I am a social conservative and have voted republican my entire life.
I voted for Romney, and will do it again at any time he runs for office. He is a social conservative. Did anyone read or watch his CPAC speech when he withdrew from the race?

I would suggest you read it, It is one of the greatest speeches I have ever read. Right on par with “I have a dream” Read that and tell me he is not a social conservative.

Wake up Govnotgod.org — you are an embarresment to the republican party.

Romney 2008, 2012. — a social conservative and the only hope America has to be great again.

ike: I have never heard of such a thing in my life. When someone doesn’t have insurance and breaks an arm or a leg. THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR IT NOT US. I think they have to pay up in a set amount of time, but I’ve never been in that situation. I heard a story of an Omish boy( I think that how you spell it) that got hurt while doing his farm chores. The parents didn’t have health insurance, so their friends helped them pay the bill, but not though their health insurance. We don’t have to pay higher premiums because people don’t have health insurance. We don’t pay for them. But in Mitts system the rich is paying for the poor peoples health insurance. And the poor pay only a fragment of what it will cost if one of them breaks a bone or something. Insurance companies don’t pay for people they don’t insure.

Now if the Government in Mass was paying for these people though our taxes then I can see were reforming the system would be needed. But if this is the best solution Mitt could come up with( which is failing) then I really question his judgment.

Give me your source. I have given you mine, and my source isn’t the only one saying it. And according to my source Mitt did raise the tax and fee burdun 700 million a year.

Holly: I’m not mad, just frustrated. I haven’t talked to any American Conservative today. How many are their anyway.

Holly how have you been. I to agree that any of our Repubican canidates would be better than a Obama or Hillary. I will have to leave in a few hours, but as always, I shall return.

Your welcome Brian from California. Only it was Mitt supporter that ruined it, not Huckabee.

HUCKABEE 2012

Comment by Pamela
April 5th, 2008 at 12:31 am
Holly I wish more people would take a little time to research and not just go on sound bytes..I am constantly learning, I admit when I was younger I was naive myself until someone challenged me to actually learn the facts ..plus I am a believer in God and I feel this is truly a fight against good verses evil. Hey but look at you..you are a searcher for truth also..so thank you!!
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Pamela, I agree this is a fight against good and evil, just dont give up and beleive that we can make a difference, and God willing we will!!!!!!!! Thank you for such nice comments. God Bless America and Her’s………..

Unbelievable!!!!! I cannot see where “conservatives” think this country is better off than it was before W was selected by the Supreme Court. Now that the Great Divider’s time is coming to a close, it will be refreshing to see at least a moderate in the White House.

I am a vocal member of the majority of America……a MODERATE!!! We don’t need someone from the left or the right. We need someone in the middle who can bring us together.

I am a strong believer in separation of Church and State. Look what religion gave America in 2004. Pastors who use their pulpits as a way to bully people are going to have a serious day of reckoning.

I can’t see why all the conservative radio pundits are so worked up about this election. They are going to have a feast for at least 4 years with whoever gets elected.

By the way, if Fox News is fair and balanced, then I am Santa Claus AND the Easter Bunny!!!

Dust hello, how are you I saw that you said you were fine ,sorry I said you were mad, someone else’s post I guess, I have been trying to fight off the Obama lovers, how about you?

dust in the last GOP debate in California(Rolnald reagan library) Did mitt not correct mcCian and say that the gov after him(mitt) added NEW terms to the medical plan which increased the cost of health care? So yes you are right, Mass is currently ~ 700 mill in the red, but there is a vaild reason why.

check out the debate.

thanks

Dust there are two and I think they both are republican (not sure)the one you have talked to most is now calling the other one mormon American conserative, mormon AC,. one is mormon and one is not………Iguess you got that …..duh. I do beleive now that they both came up with the name American Conserative on thier own.know one was stealing or Hijacking…

Dust,

I did give you my source. Look at the Massachusetts Tax code for the years that Romney was in office. If that is too difficult for you, just go to factcheck.org. It sites the $700 million, and where that comes from. It shows the studies done and then gives you the facts. They got their info from the Mass. Tax Code.

As far as insurance…go talk to a doctor. Wow, you are painfully uninformed. I will give you and example. When my wife gave birth she had an epidermal. The anesthesiologist fee was $1400. I was a bit surprised, so I asked him. He said that only about 20% of people actually pay him, so he has to charge a huge amount to cover his costs.
You are right about the Amish boy, that is because everyone involved was responsible. Well, you might want to step into reality and find that isn’t normally the case. My bro-in-law is and OB/GYN, he says he only get paid from about 20% of his patients as well, he is in the inner-city. Those that aren’t insured, usually don’t pay. I can’t believe that there is someone out there that doesn’t understand how this works.
Go look at insurance policies in Mass. Individual policies have been cut in half, because people have to be insured. You should also understand that this was a MASS. only policy because of the dynamic of the
area.

People default on their medical bill more than they do on their credit card debt and mortgages. Some one ends up paying for it. It is those who are in insured.
In Mass. it was so successful that people started dropping their own insurance and using the states insurance. They are now shifting things to accommodate.

Dust,

Just to make my point. Who do you think pays for illegal immigrants who get hurt or have children? It was estimated that last year births from illegals cost tax payers over $1 billion. WOW, but it is them not us who pays for it, right?

ike: At least I understand where your coming from now. Before I thought you were saying that when some one without insurance got hurt, doctors charged the insurance companies. But now I understand what you are saying. Your saying that when insured people get hurt or whatever, the doctors charged the insurance companies more to cover the cost of all the uninsured people that have not payed. But if this program you are praising so much is Mitt best solution then I what nothing to do with it. Because it is failing. I have shown you how to read more on that. Sorry I didn’t understand you earlier.

To make my point clear. Mitt solution is hardly better, if any at all. Forcing people to have insurance has never struke well with me. The rich are still paying more for the same amount of care. And this I believe relates to every medical bill, not just the emergency ones. Hospitals are required by law to take care of emergency patients. So really the insured people are ‘paying’ for them, not people with cansor or other show killing desease. Correct me if I’m wrong but that my basic understanding. But now we support them whatever they got, weither it an emergency or other. Basically what I’m trying to say is, We that can afford insurance still pay for the poor mans insurance in Mitt system, so really it is no better. But at least the poor are paying something though, I will congragulate Mitt for that. But really isn’t it the Physicians problem, and the insurance companies. Let them come up with a solutions to their own problem and keep the government out of it. Now that I understand what you are saying. I can say this, Good try Mitt but once again when government tries to force people to do something, It fails. Across the state of Mass, primary care providers are now turning away patients, and waiting times have lengthened because physicians receive below-market payments along with an influx of new patients.

I never said that we don’t pay for illigal immigant. We most certainly do. Though indirectly. We pay the government and the government pays them. The solution to this problem is simple. Keep illigal immigrants out of American( sounds simple but probably no so). Sadly the problem we are addressing is a much more complicated one, and I don’t think can be solved by the government.

Ike: it been fun but I got to leave now. We had a good and almost clean debate that answered some of my questions. God bless.

See you tomarrow Holly.

Dust, my wife works in Administration for one of the larger Hospital Chains in the Denver area. Prior to his joining the Army, my son worked for the same hospital as an EMT. I cannot speak to the Massachusetts issues, and I am not trying to enter that part of the debate.

Let me assure that there is a problem with Emergency rooms. Uninsured people are indeed using them as the treatment of last resort for their children who should have been seen a few days ago. To combat this, most hospitals have established urgent care and true emergency care. Emergency care is the most expensive form of healthcare imaginable, sort of like getting a master cabinet maker to cut some 2×4 for a tree house. Urgent care tries to siphon off the non emergency cases and have them seen in a less expensive setting — still several times more expensive than the family doctor I go see for my family. Yes, a very large percentage of these urgent care cases are uncollectible. The private hospitals like my wife’s have to treat all true emergencies, and then a certain threshold of the urgent care cases. The emergency room triage nurses get called all sorts of names when they refer to surplus cases to the University or City of Denver Hospital.

Last April I had an opportunity to see how bad the situation was at the University Hospital. My daughter was covered by her husband in Iraq’s Tricare and was told to go to University Hospital to check on severe abdominal pains, arriving about 8:00 PM. We sat out there at least 3 hours before I raised enough of a fuss that they gave Rachel a place to lay down. About 1 hour later a Doctor came in, spent about 5 minutes with her, and admitted her with probable appendicitis. It took several more hours to get the tests run, and finally about 11:00 AM they took Rachel in for surgery, 15 hours after we arrived — and she had insurance even if it was through the Army.

There is something wrong when we allow situations like that to occur. We are already treating the poorest people using the most expensive medicine available. As noted, I am not familiar with the Mass. situation, but I suspect if Bain and Company were to look at our current situation there would be substantial changes that would give coverage earlier in the cycle when it is less expensive.

Everybody likes to bad mouth Wal-Mart, but they have advanced what I think should be a great alternative for the working poor. They have an urgent care clinic at the stores where you will be seen by a Physician’s Assistant or a Licensed Nurse Practitioner, with affordable formulary generic medication available. I know this is heresy, but would a possibility be to give qualified working poor people vouchers that would cover much of the Wal-Mart type of costs?

Lloyd

One more point on a major medical plan that forces other medical plans to subsidize it.

You guessed it — Medicare.

The payments from Medicare to Doctor’s are not enough to cover all of their costs forcing them to do one of two things. First, accept Medicare and agree to accept its payments as full payment with the paitent only being required to pay the amount Medicare says is owed by the patient. This requires them to bill the uncovered costs to their other patients.

Second, a large number of Doctors, especially highly recommended ones simply do not play Medicares games. You used to be able to go to these Doctors and then submit the stuff to Medicare yourself, but that is no longer an option as medicare requires the provider to submit the bills. I may be wrong about that second point but that is how I understand it.

On a disability pension I am a great beneficiary of Medicare as is my father. Neither of us pays very much for the Doctor visits because I have my wifes insurance and he is retired federal employee.

But, looking at the allowed amounts on what comes out on the Medicare explanation of benefits lets me see where the Doctors are coming from. On average they are well below 50% of billed charges. As a father I have obviously seen what the insurance companies pay on my kids medical and it is closer to 65% to 70% of billed charges. That difference is the hidden subsidy of Medicare by other insurance companies. Does anybody know if they really bill somebody coming in off of the street the same 100% that we see on our bills as the base charge?

Everybody is making a big deal about Medicare not being able to negotiate on drug charges for Part D coverage. With a history like it has on Part A and Part B, wh would any sane provider jump in and say okay start billing me below my costs? I would like to see Medicare be able to negotiate for drug prices, but the law would have to include some type of rate of return and cost recovery for drugs that did not work out — their research and development costs.

Dust,

You are said you are gone, but you can check this tomorrow. I have always agreed. Socialized medicine doesn’t work. What you described is socialized medicine. That isn’t happening in Mass. The rich aren’t paying for the poor. If the rich get private health insurance. They pay no higher taxes and less in insurance premiums. That has already happened. As far as waiting lines and what not. That hasn’t happened. The only downfall to the situation is that a ton more people decided to use it than what was estimated. That is being corrected.
The governments job is to take away the rights of a few to ensure the rights of the many. Before you argue, really think about it. People establish government to ensure everyone has rights, in order to do that, they must limit others. For example, if you are stronger than me. You have the ability to take from me and I have no recourse. Government steps into stop that. That is what Mass. did in the case of medical reform. People who weren’t paying their bills were laying it on the laps of those that were paying. Government stopped that. It didn’t force people doing what they should be in the first place. Only those taking advantage. it was protecting the citizens.

ike: I found the time to post one blog tonight( I was gone for a few hour and didn’t think I’d have time when I got back). I have no disagrement about you last paragraph.

I do disagree with your first paragraph however. The rich are paying for the poor mans insurance. The more you earn the more you pay for your insurance under Mitt program. The less you make, the less you are charged for insurance.Otherwise the poor in Mass couldn’t afford the insurance. . So if your making well below the national average then you pay less for your insurance. The amount that the poor man pays is very small. $2 dollars a week I believe(I could be wrong that figure came from an older article). This isn’t near enough to cover the cost if he gets injured. So who pays, the government still pays the rest. Which is your tax money. My biggest problem with Mitt’s system is that it doesn’t really address the problem( the rich pay more for the same thing the poor get). According to what you said, the problem is that the uninsured usually don’t pay their doctor bills, and we get busted for it. To me the only options is to make a stricker law requiring the uninsured to pay. I think it would be best to do it in instalment(I don’t think I spelled that right) payments. The poorer the man, the smaller the payment( but eventually he will pay the same as everyone else). This to me seems to be the only solution.

I will respond to the tax thing latter. I don’t have the time right now to discuss it.

YAAAWWWNNN……:O

I think that McCain and his group are smart enough to know that he needs to find more of a “centrist” for a VP canidate. Americans, especially independent voters, are tired of watching the Dems and Reps do nothing but snipe at and investigate each other while nothing gets done. This election and hopefully the next Congressional election is more about voting for “Anyone But the Incumbent”. McCain can beat Obama when more light is put on Obama because he is too far left. The winning ticket will be the ticket that appears closer to the center in 2008.

Dust,

You have completely failed to grasp what they did in MA. The issue in MA, which is mostly different than the rest of the county, was that 2/3rds of the people not paying for insurance made over $60,000 a year. TWO-THIRDS! In other parts of the nation that probably isn’t true. That is why it was adamantly expressed that this wasn’t a plan for the US but for strictly MA. If a rich man chooses to not have insurance, HE DOESN”T PAY THE TAX. If those 2/3rds who can afford it, still choose not to THEN THEY DO PAY THE TAX. If you understand that, then you understand it isn’t a poor get a free ride…It is a the middle class don’t get a free ride in MA plan.

Okay, if you are mad about the petition by govnotgod.org I have posted a counter-petition on ipetition.com. I am especially upset that this group has made it impossible for pro-Romney supporters to comment, calling it dishonest. If it is dishonest, why give a choice for people to check that they would vote for McCain/Romney. My petition was started to let govnotgod know that there are many people who object to their campaign, and to let McCain know that he can choose whomever he pleases for vp, but that you would vote for a McCain/Romney ticket. Go to http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/mittvpyes.

ike: I though everyone was taxed if they didn’t insurance? Really I don’t understand what you put down, it seems to contratict itself. If the rich man chooses to not have insurance then he becomes part of that 2/3rds doesn’t he?So he would have to start paying the tax would he not? Am I wrong when I say that the rich pay alot more than the poor in Mass for the health insurance?But get the same care, thats a form of socializm(though better than some). If Mitt whated to solve the problem then he should have forced those people to pay their bills. But you might be right on one thing, it probably is a bettter program then want they were dealing with earlier, but hardly better. Look at the latest article written about the program. It turning into a mess, and the media usually supports programs like this.( they say that there are problems, but the seem to downplay it) The article it by the New York Times, and it not the only group say this. I have found some independents say the same thing. Mitts program is failing, some report show that Mass is paying out more money to these people than before.

Dust,

I have told you and told you. GO TO THE SOURCE. The New York Times is VERY liberal. Of course, they are going to oppose Mitt’s plan. I also told you, that they are having to change some things around because it was SO popular that over twice the estimated number of people signed up for the plan.
You are right, though, if a wealthy person was switched to the state insurance they would pay more than a poor person. If it is cheaper for the wealthy person to do that, then he is happy cuz he is paying less than if he had private insurance. If private insurance is cheaper and he stays with that, then he isn’t taxed at all. Either way, the COST OF MEDICAL CARE has gone down. That is a good thing. Without the plan, health care costs are up. You don’t like the plan. You come up with a better one. This one solved the problem that was crippling MASS. They have had problems, due to certain unforeseen factors. Now it is in the hands of a bunch of wacked out DEMS. I am sure they will screw it up. You will probably look at the screw up, blame it on Romney, read the Liberal NY TIMES and continue to blindly follow and pro-life, big government, liberal. If you could actually go to sources and see the FACTS rather than an interpretation of facts, you would be much better informed.

I will give you and example. I talked to a Buddhist who said Christians were nuts cuz they thought they were going to heaven cuz some guy hung on a tree. He taught that to other Buddhists. Can you argue with his facts. Yes and no. Someone was strung up, and therefore all Christians think they are saved. The facts a bit skewed. It wasn’t just some guy. It was Jesus Christ, the son of God. He wasn’t just hung up to die, but allowed himself to be sacrificed for the sins of the world. The way you look at the facts and source that you get them are very important. If you choose to read an article by someone opposed to, or even in favor of, you are going to get skewed facts. You want to know about Christianity, go read the Bible. Don’t listen to Buddhist monk. If you want to know about Mass. taxes, go to the Tax Code. You want to find out about Mass. Health care, go look up the bill.

Oh, I mistyped. If a rich guy has private insurance. HE DOESN”T PAY THE TAX. If he chooses not to have insurance he pays the tax. As opposed to now. He is insured, and pays for those who aren’t.

NOT ONE CANDIDATE HAS SHOWN AN INCLINATION TO EVEN HINT AS TO THEIR RUNNING
MATE. I COULD CARE LESS BY THE WAY!!

THERE IS NOT ONE PERSON RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT THAT HAS REALLY ADDRESSED
OUR ECONOMY.

LET ONE OF THEM START BY SUGGESTING A TAX PENALTY, OR SOME SORT OF PENALTY
FOR TAKING JOBS TO OTHER COUNTRIES! COMPANIES WHO DO SO SHOULD BE PUNISHED
SOME WAY. THEY MAKE OBSCENE PROFITS PAYING WORKERS $2. TO $5. A DAY FOR
WORKING AND TURN AROUND AND CHARGE US HIGHER PRICES FOR THOSE PRODUCTS.

OUTSOURCING HAS HURT OUR ECONOMY!!! WAKE UP AMERICA YOUR BEING CHEATED BY
THESE COMPANIES AND YOUR GOVERNMENT IS HELPING THEM!!

Romney for VP? “My friends, let’s have a little straight talk”….

1. Romney mandated universal healthcare – a forerunner of Hillarycare. The program is already over budget by $144 million (www.factcheck.org). Hold on to your wallets in Massachusetts!

2. Raised “fees” and closed tax loopholes to the tune of $700 million as a 1-term governor (www.factcheck.org). No wonder he didn’t run for re-election!

3. Massachusetts ranked 47th in the nation in terms of job creation while Mitt was governor (www.factcheck.org). Yeah, he’s definitely the guy to bring all those automotive jobs back to Michigan!

4. Made his fortune buying companies, laying off employees and outsourcing jobs, then flipping the companies for a profit at Bain Capital. Pure Genius!

5. Taxpayer funded abortion on demand for a $50 co-pay under Mitt’s healthcare plan in Massachusetts. Hey, who can afford to raise kids in Massachusetts anyway?

Mitt Romney….the economic savior none of us can afford! Check the facts!

you should read up on obama and how he had the chicago machine to get him where he is a liar and a front for a lot of over seas money people. look up this name Auchi, Rezko,Levine,Elijah Muhammad, Ayers .

Wow,

Common Sense…Read the posts above. You definitely fit into the Buddhist monk category. You spin facts almost as well as Huckabee. Did you take lessons?

Znette,
I guess we cancel each other out,because I see it just the opposite of you,I won’t vote if Romney is on the ticket

Ike: I’m not Commen Sense. But his information and mine totally line up and with totally different sources. If these sources are lieing than prove them wrong. There is tons of them saying the same thing. Answer this question, where did the 700 million a year projection come from? I went to the fackchech.org and they did say anything different. You said you looked it up in the Mass tax code. Tell me how to get there. Give me a link or something to go off of. I did a google search, and it say the same thing. Mitt raised taxes and fee 700 million a year. Show a link that proves otherwise.

Also I have seen groups all over saying that Mitt health care is failing and overbudget. Post a link that proves otherwise.

You have the same info because you are getting it from the same source. Which is the liberal media. Here is the source for the fees and the disproportionate numbers. http://www.masstaxpayers.org/data/pdf/bulletins/2004%20Budget%20Major%20Strides%20But%20More%20Pain%20Ahead.pdf

It shows the fees were ESTIMATED $500 million. It was wrong….the estimate was WAY more than the actual. It was between 240 and 260. BIG DIFFERENCE…Like I said you are looking at skewed facts.

Here is the actual budget from MASS.

http://www.mass.gov/bb/fy2004h1/print/execsumm/es11-print.shtml

Look under revenue increases: Registry of Deeds fee restructuring

230.

I find it terrifying that someone will come on here and parrot falsehoods without got to the source and checking it out. Then fails to understand. Then asks for help….and if i were a betting man, what i have proven won’t matter. I have shown where the falsehoods have come from. I have shown where to find that actual numbers. It took a few minutes. Just google: Massachusetts Department of Administration and Finance. Search for the 2004 budget. Wow. So hard to get numbers from the primary source.

Romney would be better than McCain, but we’re still a long way from Reagan.

Speaking of God, how about a short movie about God and Fishing? http://revver.com/video/403910/catching-faith/

It is groups like this that may cause the Republicans (who still have a good chance to win) to lose the US Presidency. If you look on their website, the majority of the candidates they have chosen to endorse (only a handful meet their requirements) have already lost in primaries. They are a fringe group that represent less than 25% of all Republicans and 10% of the US population.

Therefore, I would encourage John McCain to NOT listen to this negative, un-Christian (in the name of God) group. Do not lose the Reagan Democrats or the Independents or the Liberal Republicans or the Economic Republicans. They number far more than the overly vocal Social Conservatives. They will either vote for McCain or Noone. They wouldn’t support Obama (most liberal senator) or Clinton (most polarizing Democrat) over McCain / Anyone-for-VP. If they do, they are as intelligent as their adds.

Cutter –
You are one down, again. I would vote for a McCain/Romney ticket. Even though I am a HUGE McCain supporter from the beginning, if the Social Conservatives try to hijack the nomination and lose the election for us, I would vote against the ticket. We need independent educated thinkers. I am a Religious Christian who goes to church every Sunday, but I would not side with the fringe faction of the Republican Party that spews hate.

Typical of the fear-mongering extremist fascist wing. Decietful lies and redirection will only be conquered by the truth. Romney will surely make a good VP and a better president.

There are frighteing similarities between Muslim extremists, i.e. the Taliban, Osama bin Laden, the Iranian government, and Evangelical extremists. I’m not trying to make a blanket statement. Just as not all Muslims are extremists, neither are all Evangelicals. Unfortunately, those that are seem to make the most noise.

There is no place in American Polictics for the religious bigotry displayed during the primary season. Even now, the religious bigots won’t go away. It will be a sad day indeed if that sort of hatred holds sway in this election cycle.

So i have tried to post a response 3 times now…it won’t ever take…I have your answers Dust…just need to get them up here.

Hey Carl (as in Cameron),

Why don’t you do some real reporting and look into the background of those who signed this petition?

Why is it that most other news organizations that ran this story have shown that the majority of folks either were staunch Huckabee supporters and some even connected with his campaign?

Why not list the religious affiliation of all these backers as well since it is clear that this is just another anti-Mormon campaign? (Why not list yours as well since you seem so biased with your gleeful jab at Hannity to open this thread?)

Why not report on yet another fine example of Huckabee hypocrisy- he could very easily ask that this ad not run- after all, it is reported that he was shown it before it ran (but no, he has nothing to do with it.)

I have yet to hear Romney or Mormons talk about using a political position to “further their cause” but that is coming from the radical Evangelicals and their support for Huckabee- which is why I would not vote for McCain if he were on the ticket.

Dust,

Are you ready to be PROVEN wrong. I am going to show you where your skewed numbers came from. Then I will show you what the actual budget numbers are.

For you skewed numbers go to: http://www.masstaxpayers.org/data/pdf/bulletins/2004%20Budget%20Major%20Strides%20But%20More%20Pain%20Ahead.pdf

“Given the enormous fiscal shortfall, it was inevitable that the 2004 budget would entail some combination of new revenues, spending cuts, and further use of reserves. Although the Commonwealth avoided increases in broad-based taxes for 2004, it has raised other taxes by almost $200 million, including a roughly 20 percent increase in the annual taxes paid by corporations. Massachusetts also raised fees dramatically, more than any other state in the nation according to a recent study. The estimated $500 million of fee increases that support the 2004 budget.”

I give you a quote. I would suggest reading the whole 4 pages, not too rough. It is actually quite positive to everything Romney was up against in his first year because MA was a mess. If you don’t go and read it. At least look at the ESTIMATION, that is right only and estimate, and you will see where $700 million comes from.

For the actual budget got to: http://www.mass.gov/bb/fy2004h1/print/execsumm/es11-print.shtml

Go down and look at fees. It is $230 million.
The loophole close was $128 million.

So there you go.

Here are the links for my previous post. Factcheck.org seems to be pretty impartial – they took everyone to task for inaccuracies in their statements.

1. Romney mandated universal healthcare – a forerunner of Hillarycare. The program is already over budget by $144 million. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/simi_valley_showdown.html

2. Raised “fees” and closed tax loopholes to the tune of $700 million as a 1-term governor.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/simi_valley_showdown.html
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3. Massachusetts ranked 47th in the nation in terms of job creation while Mitt was governor. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/simi_valley_showdown.html.

4. Made his fortune buying companies, laying off employees and outsourcing jobs, then flipping the companies for a profit at Bain Capital.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7967.html

5. Taxpayer funded abortion on demand for a $50 co-pay under Mitt’s healthcare plan in Massachusetts. Regardless of who’s at fault, the fact remains this was Mitt’s signature piece of legislation during his term and it allows abortion on demand for a $50 co-pay.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2007/11/15/politics/horserace/entry3505825.shtml

I would have sent the sources sooner, but it was a nice day outside and there was plenty of spring yard work to do and I’m not a career blogger. When people continue to tout Mitt as some kind of economic savior, I feel compelled to challenge that notion. The facts say otherwise.

Gov. of Mass. the same place that has given us other fine conservatives such as Ted Kennedy John Kerry and Mr. Dukkakis! 50 dollar copay,gay marriage, 700 million in taxes and fees, for the brady bill! In no way will I vote for Mccain Mitt! If Romney is conservative I am the King of England.

Romney’s early primary attack adds against McCain will probably be used by the Dems against Mitt & McCain.

ike: I can’t view this myself( I have an interent blocker that is really annoying, it say the page does not exist). But almost every article that says that Mitt raised fees and taxes by 700 million was from a figure from the Massachusett taxpayers Foundation. Please look this up.

ike: Sorry about the link thing. I can never seem to get those things to work.

ike: If you can’t post the links than just give me clear instuctions on how to look at it myself.

Here are the sources for my earlier post. Factcheck.org seems to be an impartial source since they have taken ALL of the candidates to task for their inaccurate statements.

1. Romney mandated universal healthcare – a forerunner of Hillarycare. The program is already over budget by $144 million.
Source: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/simi_valley_showdown.html

2. Raised “fees” and closed tax loopholes to the tune of $700 million as a 1-term governor.
Source: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/simi_valley_showdown.html

3. Massachusetts ranked 47th in the nation in terms of job creation while Mitt was governor.
Source: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/simi_valley_showdown.html

4. Made his fortune buying companies, laying off employees and outsourcing jobs, then flipping the companies for a profit at Bain Capital.
Source: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7967.html

5. Taxpayer funded abortion on demand for a $50 co-pay under Mitt’s healthcare plan in Massachusetts.
Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2007/11/15/politics/horserace/entry3505825.shtml

When I hear people tout Mitt Romney as our economic savior and a fiscal conservative, I feel compelled to challenge that notion. The facts say otherwise.

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I will vote for McCain only if he picks Mitt Romney as VP. Mc cain needs mitt to shore up his economic and conservative base.

If this is a resubmit I apologize, but I think my first post got deleted.

Dust,

Are you ready to be PROVEN wrong. I am going to show you where your skewed numbers came from. Then I will show you what the actual budget numbers are.

For you skewed numbers go to: factcheck.org. Search for Romney Budget. Then go to sim showdown. Then go to the last source they have. Click on that link. It will take you to a page that gives the numbers where the study that gives the estimated numbers that everyone has used as fact. Here a little preview.

“Given the enormous fiscal shortfall, it was inevitable that the 2004 budget would entail some combination of new revenues, spending cuts, and further use of reserves. Although the Commonwealth avoided increases in broad-based taxes for 2004, it has raised other taxes by almost $200 million, including a roughly 20 percent increase in the annual taxes paid by corporations. Massachusetts also raised fees dramatically, more than any other state in the nation according to a recent study. The estimated $500 million of fee increases that support the 2004 budget.”

I give you a quote. I would suggest reading the whole 4 pages, not too rough. It is actually quite positive to everything Romney was up against in his first year because MA was a mess. If you don’t go and read it. At least look at the ESTIMATION, that is right only and estimate, and you will see where $700 million comes from.

For the actual budget got just google, Massachusetts Department of Administration and Finance…it will be the first link. GO to search and type in 2004 budget. You will see MA actual figures.

Go down and look at fees. It is $230 million.
The loophole close was $128 million.

Massachusetts Tax Payer Foundation…is where everyone is getting the numbers. I have given you the means to find that actual article they put out. They are an independent organization that estimated the numbers. They even say it is an estimate. Then if you go to the MA budget, with the OFFICIAL numbers, then you can see what really happened.

If the true source of this attempt to derail a McCain/Romney ticket were uncovered it would be shown that these folks, including Mike Huckabee, are vicious anti-Mormon bigots masquerading as conservatives. They should be ashamed of themselves for being so blatant. Romney is the real deal and would make a great VP or President.

I guess Huckabee supporters are still looking for their miracle.

Since he didn’t major in math- that rules him out as a viable VP candidate. Both Clinton and Obama have constantly been using McCain’s own words of not understanding the economy against him. McCain has the military and foreign experience. I have yet to see any of these so called conservatives blast McCain on his social stance, so he must be conservative enough there. So to make the ticket well-rounded, you need someone with economic experience.

In spite of the people like dust- who also not only did not major in math, but clearly don’t understand it (but I won’t be too hard ’cause the guy isn’t even out of high school yet)- Romney cut spending and the size of government in his first year to balance the budget (yes, dust- we know he didn’t HAVE to, but the fact that he did shows he is a fiscal conservative.) It is true that when he got a surplus, unfortunately he started spending again. But nothing like Huckabee who kept raising taxes and spending throughout his entire term.

Again, these so-called conservatives are hiding behind social conservatism to blast Romney when in reality it is nothing more than bigotry and the attempt to keep Huckabee relevant. If they don’t like McCain’s credentials on life, gays, etc., why have they not come out against him?

McCain is getting his rear handed to him in the fund raising department. Huckabee couldn’t even get money for his own campaign, how is he supposed to help there? Romney is putting his network into gear to help the party. He is campaigning FOR McCain. Huckster is only campaigning for himself to be VP. I guess these folks are praying to the wrong God because they sure didn’t get their miracle.

For dolts who like to call Romney a whimp for suspending- just look at what is happening to the Dems right now. Romney saw that the numbers were against him and that by continuing to stay in the race it would have hurt the party. Everything he predicted has come true and the Dems are showing how damaging a protracted fight can be.

That said, I still don’t know if I want Romney as VP because I don’t think he will be able to change McCain’s mind on issues like taxes, immigration, etc. It will only tarnish him for the future.

Part 1 of

My Dear Huckabee Cult Members,

I have always had such hope for you, and with your man’s withdrawal from the race, I thought that I would never be able to work with you again. And that’s the way it should have been. However, recently there has been a resurgence of hope within your ranks because of the anti-Mitt-Romney-for-vice-president campaign. It is my unfortunate duty to dash your hopes against the hard, blunt rocks of reality.

To save your feelings, as best I can, I will start with a story:

Once upon a time there was a prince. He was a new prince, and he wanted to do a good job. The prince recognized that his highest priority was to establish his power. He saw that, other than their concern about him, the people’s greatest concern was highway robbers.

Putting and end to the highway robbers would be a dirty job, not something the prince would want to do personally, but he had just the man to do it. The man was crudely effective, harsh, and not too bright, in other words, perfect for the job. The prince made him sheriff.

The next thing the people knew, dozens of highway robbers were being hung in the public square every weekend. This quickly put an end to the highway robbers and provided entertainment for the general population. The people loved the new prince. He had established power.

After a period of time, due to the lack of highway robbers and the sheriff’s harsh tactics, the sheriff became more feared than the highway robbers. The prince saw that the sheriff had accomplished his purpose and had become the biggest hindrance to his power.

As the sheriff responded to the summons of the prince he contemplated how the prince was going to reward him for his good work. Maybe he would be a member of the prince’s council, maybe even…vice-prince! He could hardly contain his joy.

The next morning the people awoke to the sight of the sheriff’s body divided neatly into four equal parts and hanging in the public square. There was much rejoicing!!! The people considered the prince the greatest ruler they had ever had and barely whimpered when he raised taxes the next year.

Huckabee cult members, does any of this sound familiar?

Part 2 of 2
No, I guess it wouldn’t sound familiar at all to a real Kool-Aid drinker. Let me see if I can spell it out for you.
Mitt Romney was the biggest obstacle for anyone else wanting to win the Republican primary. Romney was smart, accomplished, and genuinely a good man. Getting rid of him was going to be a dirty job, not something any intelligent politician would want to do personally. The man who would handle the Romney obstacle would have to attack Romney’s strengths. Mike Huckabee was perfect for the job. Huckabee had attacked Mormons in the past and had a sufficiently large network of supporters whose bigotry could be counted upon. It worked! But Mike’s hands were dirty. Everyone equated the religious attacks with Huckabee. Any thinking person who was part of a a group that Huckabee would disapprove of was now frightened of him. Abstract issues, like the war and the economy, didn’t matter to these people anymore because Huckabee’s attacks were personal. If Huckabee were to be given national executive power he could make life very uncomfortable for people in these groups. If McCain wants to establish power, the last person he wants to be associated with is Mike Huckabee.

Please note that this analysis is not based on any particular knowledge of the secret operations of this campaign. It is based on long established political norms.

I will only vote for McCain in November if Romney is VP. Huckabee supporters are blind followers. They do not care about what is good for America. They only care about Huckabee who has nothing to offer but his religious bigotry. Wake up, and grow up you Huckaphonies!

ike: I did the search ‘2004 budget’ and dozens of articles poped up. I followed your instruction to the letter. How do I view it?

Dean: I don’t care that he cut it the first year. Overall Massachusetts (under Romney) spending went up more than Arkansas spending.

Dean: I haven’t even been taking to you, but yet you pick a fight. What a matter with you anyway. You don’t know how to debate, you just criticize me personally.

How could anyone possibly want to see the economic and social decay Mitt Romney accomplished in Massachusetts in a single term as governor extended to the whole nation? How could we afford to put someone in line for the presidency who spent so much and accomplished so little in a campaign?

Just evaluate Romney on the evidence, not the sales pitch, please. I’m not taken in by every “New! Improved!” claim I see for what I put in my shopping cart. Why on earth would I fall for it when I’m shopping for a president or VP?

bobbert,

Your fairy tale doesn’t comport with the facts. Romney was the one busting kneecaps — all on his own, not on behalf of anyone else. And hardly anyone is truly happy that McCain bubbled to the top on the wreckage Romney wrought.

Dean,

What articles did you find. No wonder you believe everything the media is telling you. If you struggle to find the budget on the Mass. own web site, it seems like you might be beyond hope. I don’t know why, but I actually thought you might be one of the rare few on here who is willing to learn. Did you go to the article on Mass. Tax Payer Foundation. Do you understand that word estimate? Do you concede that point?
Did you Google Massachusetts Department of Administration and Finance, click on the first link, then search 2004 budget? Look at any of the articles. Find the actual budget. You will see that Romney with his “HUGE FEE RAISING” only raised revenues by 1.4%. Did you see the rainy day fund the put aside? Or did you just go back to the same articles that skew the same facts and figures.
Sorry to get short with you, but come on. I have shown and shown and shown you the ACTUAL numbers. You have said, “well my source, even though i don’t really understand where it came from nor have I actually read it myself, says this…I copied and pasted your sources source, and you still want to dispute. Is there any hope for America? Can someone support one candidate for personal reasons and then find HONEST facts and change there opinion. I am starting to doubt it.
Especially by all the conservatives saying they would vote for Obama, if they don’t get their choice. He is the WORST choice for America. Yes, worse than Huckabee. Can anyone believe I am saying that. I think Huckabee has a horrible liberal record, and OBAMA is worse. Look him up. Is ok with FULL BIRTH abortion. Wants to pull out of Iraq but go back in if Al Queda is there. Wants to double capital gains. Want to raise income tax to over 50% on the wealthy. Oh yeah, and wealthy is those of us who make over 200K a year.
People, look at actual facts, and get past your personal feelings. YOu might actually learn something.

Comment by DPG
April 5th, 2008 at 1:19 am
Hello all…
The Only thing worse than flip flop Romney as VP. Is Rudy AND that’s bad..
McCain needs a real social republican.
THAT IS HUCKABEE…
Rudy is a democrat at heart. And Romney has been on both sides of the Abortion issue…
Only Huckabee Stands out . As the pro life , pro marriage ,pro family republican…. AND you republicans need US. If not for those on the far right. You will never win . We make up like 15- 20% of the republican party.. TRY to win without US… It can not be done..
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Republicans can’t win without Romney voter’s either and he had more votes than Huckabee.
The whole Huckabee garbage is totaly about Mormon hatred………That is the only reason Huckabee ever got into the political campaign was to get his baptist mormon hater’s on a roll. Amazing they haven’t damaged the Mormons at all in a 178 years…their church is still growing much faster I might add than the baptist. Satan has been working against the Mormon Church from the beginning, sure make one wonder why he wants to destroy that particular church….and wonder why so many baptist signed up to help him.
Keep your hatred toward the Mormons going at full force for the next 178 years…and you will accomplish no more than you have in the last 178 years and that amounted to zero.

McCain will make up his own mind who his VP is ……..we all know McCain and telling him who he can’t pick …just may backfire.
The Mormons could send out a no Huckabee Ad…………..I just remember they don’t stoop to that kind of garbage.

Sorry that Comment wasn’t to Dean, it was to Dust and all of the other people who find it so hard to do their own research.

Carol,

Your comments are eloquently put but lacking in substance. Please provide some specificity regarding the “economic and social decay” and the claims of “new and improved” to which you refer or we will have to consider these claims as so much flatulence.

MizzouMama,

I’m acquainted with the facts. I’ve seen the commercials. I don’t think that the commercials come anywhere near “breaking kneecaps”. If fact, I think that the contrast advertisements are perfectly appropriate to a political campaign. If the little boys and girls feelings are hurt or they can’t defend their actions, they are probably not big enough to play in this sandbox.

On the other hand, I believe that candidates should be held accountable for such things as McCain’s dishonest depiction of Romney’s Iraq strategy, and Huckabee’s attacks against Romney’s religion. No one should allow their feelings to be hurt by the rough and tumble of electioneering. It should just be recognized for what it is and be included with other factors in voters’ assessment of candidates.

Huckabee does not like Mitt, and will do anything to not give Mitt any recognition. I worked a convention in Salt Lake where Huckabee told everyone how terrible mormons are. I’m sure Mitt has made a lot more money for McCain for President than Huckabee has. Mitt probably has a bit of a brown nose. Too bad Mr.Huckabee can’r make that kind of money for McCain. Maybe that is why Huckabee is so Anti Mitt. Too bad so negative in the Republican side. I would supoort McCain and anyone else who he chooses. I think Mitt is a great man.

McCain-Romney would be a great ticket. Huckabees Crowd is off base and stupid. We need a strong united party to keep the Barack and Hillary out of office. Stop dividing the party.

Ike: I DID GO TO THE WEBSITE AND I DON’T SEE ANYTHING THAT SUPPORTS YOU.I did the Google search, went to the first link, went to their search and typed down, 2004 budget, I then viewed the Budget Summary and it said nothing about fees.

AND the Massachusetts tax payer Foundation is not a media group. And further I don’t support Obama, I would rather have Hillary. Also I suggest that you follow your own advise and get past your personal feelings.

Dust,

Now your lack of intelligence it staggering. If you can’t find the budget, then i am surprised you make it to the bathroom on your own. The budget is there. I even cut and pasted from it. You are either blind or dumb. Are you using a braille keyboard. I think not.
I know that Mass. Tax Payer Foundation, in apolitical, but they also ESTIMATED. Do you understand what an estimate is. I copied and pasted from their report. They say it is an estimate. Just because people like you aren’t quite savvy enough to go and read the report, doesn’t mean it isn’t there. Read it. Read what I pasted from it. You can see were $700 million comes from. IT IS AN ESTIMATE. I think if i grabbed you by the ears and held your face in front of the report, you would still fail to recognize it.
I guess you will just continue to spew your ignorance all over the net because you are too incompetent to follow directions. Believe what you want, ignorance is bliss, isn’t it.

I am sick and disgusted of the anti-Mormon Huckabites who bought ads against Romney as VP. I will not vote for McCain unless Romney is his VP. I am disgusted at what a coward Huckabee is. I mean if Mormons started anti-Evangelical talk, do you actually think Romney would sit by and let that go on? No, he has morals and puts the party’s needs before his books he is trying to sell. Romney should be the presidential nominee but because of dirty politicians like McCain, Huckabee, Crist etc juts to name a few, our best nominee in years was shunned. Now these bigoted self proclaimed “Christians” are at it again. Huckabee is a loser who would not bring in any important states. He barely pasted Romney in Delegate count only after months of campaigning after Romney dropped out. I am embarressed of the Republican Party and hope that these bigoted morons dont get away with this crap.

ike: you idiot. We aren’t taking about the estimate(which they say he raised taxes and fees at LEAST 700 MILLION, we are discussing why the estimate is wrong. You said you had exact numbers that were official. THEN TELL ME HOW TO VIEW THEM YOU MORON. I followed your instuction to the letter, and I see don’t see anything that says Mitt raised fees by only 230 million in the 2004 budget. GIVE ME SOMETHING TO GO OFF OF. And even if he did just raise it that much that doesn’t matter. Fees are just a fraction of the 2004 budget, you have to add in all of the taxes he raised. You also have to add the state delivery tax, ( which generated 60 million a year). And he put a tax on interent sale tax which generated 128 million. I could go on. You can find this in the most commen place for information, the wikipedia. Which give links to all of it information. Your the one that believing what you what. Have you even checked my sources that aren’t invisible. I still have that stupid page up on my computer with nothing new on it. GIVE ME BETTER INSTRUCTIONS( since you can’t post a link) OR ALL ASSUME YOU MADE IT UP. For crying out loud, I search for hours for this invisible information and you accuse me of whating to be ignorant. You Mitt Romney supporters are the same, argre with the fact. Good luck.

Bryson: Yes, I do think Mitt Romney would sit by and let his supporters view their opinion. They have the right do they not. So they should get by with it.

Carl is attacking Mitt again? What else is new…

Carl–put down the red bull for a couple seconds and research how many people are supporting Mitt…coming out to McCain fundraisers (to meet Romney)…driving petitions (from the same sites you referenced) ipetitions.com trying to draft Romney…

Considering the landscape, I think running with McCain would be bad (the GOP will have a tough time this year), but Mitt will do the right thing. He always does…and he is successful.

Mitt is presidential, will add lots to the ticket (someone who actually understands math, unlike Huckabee), can raise gobs of money, looks good, has an excellent family and support structure and has succeeded in all sectors.

I totally agree with this ad. Will not vote for McCain if he picks Romney to be on his ticket. That will be a slap in the face to all the value voters that have given the Republicans the White House in the past.

I am a Huckabee supporter, and am definitely NOT in a “cult” of Huckabee supporters. It seems that Romney’s Mormon supporters throw that accusation around all the time. The truth is, Mormonism is a cult.

You can come at me with slanderous, accusatory statements all you want, but that will not change the truth of Mormonism in the United States. Anyone who has an understanding of history and theology will arrive at the same conclusion. I am shocked at the level of hatred coming out of Romney supporters on a consistent basis. Being a Mormon does not mean you cannot be a wonderful public servant, neither does being a Baptist pastor preclude one from being a wonderful public servant. Religion is not the issue. The issue is ethical governing, and Mike Huckabee did that, and, apparently, an awful lot of people from Massachusetts do not think Mitt Romney did.

The truth has a way out in the end. This ad contains some truth that Sen. McCain needs to know.

Ike: Just read a new article about the 2004 budget. Apparently some of the fees were approved before he became governor, but he still raised fees by 260 million that year. Even though 240 million was going into effect that year. So if he didn’t what the raising fees label, he shouldn’t have keeped it going.( obiviously he approved of the first fees being raised if he continued doing so.) He also keep raising fees the next three years according to alot of sources. SO HIS STILL THE BIGGEST TAX AND FEE RAISER THAT RAN. Get over with this liberal, the article I just read praised him at the end of it.(from media).

Monte Day: Awsome post. You are totally right when you say that conservatives from Mass don’t like Romney. Just look on how they voted and on how Arkansas voted. Not even a comparison. Business men from Huckabee, Big Business against Mitt.

to Monte Day . If mit did such a horrible job in Mass , how come he beat jhon mcCain on supertuesday? The Gov of mass even endorsed mcCain. I am not saying he is perfect, no body is.

You can call mormons a cult (if that floats your boat) or mitt what you want to, but mitt did not use religion to get votes.

But i will support who ever mcCain picks as a vp. Even if it is huckabee (who i really dislike) he is better than the alternative than a longshot.

Romney is such a flip flopper, he would run with Obama if he was asked.

Showing the cultist mitt surporters the facts about the filp flopping Romney will do no good. They are Brain washed by Romney and his dirty tricks!

Stupid is as stupid does as my momma always said. You prove me right with your incredible stupidity. You have backed tracked on what 3 of my points now. After you concede you repeat you fallacy. Go ahead and support Huckabee. Don’t support Romeny that is fine. I hope you are ok with being wrong ALL the time. But if you want to support someone who raised taxes $500 million, has no healthcare plan, has changed his opinion on illegals twice since the start of the race, doesn’t understand the economy, lies about his record, releases killers, fires cops for doing their jobs, asks preachers to influence voters, but his greatest accomplisment of losing 200 lbs…go right ahead. Obviously, independant thought has escaped you.

Monte Day,

You seem a little worked up. Put your feet up. That’s it. Now, take a deep breath…and let it out slowly. Feel the hate draining away. There doesn’t that feel better.

Let’s try a simple exercise in thinking for yourself.

Is it hateful, slanderous and/or accusatory to refer to someone a a member of a cult? Religion is not the issue. If it is, don’t you feel a little awkward pointing out this fault in others?

If religion should not be the issue in an election, why did Mr. Huckabee made it so? If Mr. Huckabee wants the benefits of inciting the ignorance and prejudice of his followers to gain political advantage, shouldn’t he be prepared to accept the consequences of his actions when his plan doesn’t work?

Glad to see Romney in the media again. At least now there is news in the Republican Party. For a while there, I thought the only Presidential Candidates were Obama and Clinton. Face it you Huckabee supporters–ONLY ROMNEY CAN SPARK INTEREST IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY! McCain is a fool not to pick Romney as VP.

I beg your pardon, but please ignore the sentence in the second paragraph regarding religion not being the issue. I should have proof read my comments before sending them.

Monte Day – the last time I checked, Romney won the primary in Massachusetts. If the people in that State did not think Romney did a great job, why did they vote forhim?1?

Before you call Mormonism a Cult–why don’t you prove you point. What makes them a cult? Because you think they are does not mean you are right. They have over 13 million members and from what I have seen they are living a true Christian life!

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This petition was just created in response to the IDIOTS who came out with the Anti-Romney petition!

how crazy are you guys? arguing over mitt vs huck vs mitt vs huck. look they are both strong candidates and republicans could not have picked a better candidate for the general election. the importaant thing that america realizes is that obama will destroy our country faster than hillary. we have to trust mccain to pick the best VP candidate for our country.

in fact obama is sooo bad that he makes hillary look pretty good. i never thought anyone could make hillary appeal to me. but obama made change in me that i now believe in.

something that bothers me is how people dog mitt for being a mormon and ridicule huck for being a religous conservative, but no one singles out and catagorically denounces the ‘religous’ left as being anti-american and bad for our future. that’s where we need to concentrate our attention.

don’t you agree?

Truth is in the eyes of the beholder! Ted Kennedy is conservative! John kerry is conservative! Mike Dukakis is conservative! And they are all very proud of thier conservative brother Slick Romney! The only conservative to get a 50 dollar copay on abortion! The only conservative to push for gay marriage and get it! Such a true fiscal conservative that only Hillary would be proud! For all you same people that keep saying, anybody who does not like Slick hates mormons, I and most others do not hate mormons as that would be against mine and Mike Huckabees religion! I truly think these same people are Brit Hume, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham, Ann Coulter, and Fred Barnes masquerading as people who have not been duped by Slick! This man is not I repeat not conservative! I didnt like or trust him before but after seeing him grovel for the V.P. job and having Sean slobber all over him was the end, I absolutely cant take any more! The elites in the republican party have turned this into a freak show with Slick as the ring leader!

Though I’d love to see Mitt as VP I seriously doubt it will ever happen. Mitt would be great, and if the general feel from this blog says anything, most people agree with me.

Scott.
I agree. Mitt Romney would be a great running-mate for McCain.
Romney is a respectable man. He has courage, brains and compassion.
McCain has all those same qualities. They would be a computer match if you consider the geographical sense it makes as well as Romney’s understanding of business and the economy.
McCain will decide who best fits his own agenda. I trust he will decide who his best pick for VP will be on his own. That is another quality McCain has.

Don’t you Mitt Romney supporters look at his record. He made a health care program( some conservatives call socialized medicine(like me) that is failing and is costing them more money then they were spending on health before. Raised taxes and fees at least 700 million.He raised so many fees that he earned the name Fee-fee. He didn’t save Massachusetts from a 3 billion dollar deficiet, he saved it from a 1.3 or 1.2( 1.3 according to some, 1.2 accounding to most). Mass job growth was one of the worst in the nation, beating only Michigan(I’m not totally sure on Michigan) and Louisiana, and the only reason he beat Louisiana was because of Hurricane Katrina. Raised government spending by 5.2 billion in four years.(and you guy complain about Huckabee raising spend by 4.5 billion I believe, but thats a ten year period. At least everyone know were Huckabee spent his money, on roads and education. What did Mitt do with his?

How can you call him a fiscal conservative. HIS A LIBERAL(MItt that is).

Dust,

Good job parroting completely false statements and calling it fact. We have looked at the RECORD not was the news told us. We also looked at Huckabee, and his 94 tax cuts…HAHA…you have to love a lawn care tax cut.
I have proved you wrong many times on the fiscal issue, as far as Job growth goes…he turned the plummeting job growth that he took over. Go look at the actual numbers. OH wait, i forgot, you dont know how to.

Ike if brains were dynamite you couldnt blow your nose!

Well when I blow my nose it isn’t brain matter that comes out. That might be your problem vince. You keep the brains in, and the boogers out. Not the other way around.

If Mccain is wise he would pick Romney for the VP spot. Mccain is weak on economics, and the economy right now is huge worry for most Americans. Romney has character, strength, and can only bring a level of professionalism to the white house. Romney isn’t perfect, but at least he doesn’t wear his religion on his sleeve! Huckabee is as fake as they come. Talk about selfish!!! If Huckabee is the VP I will not vote for MCCAIN PERIOD! Huckabee supporters must be simply aloowing themselves to become brianwashed zealots!!! Don’t you realize how Huckabee has played you? He starts playing the “Christian good old boy” act, and ya’ll step into line? Wake up, he is not Jesus. Huckabee has used this “act” to sway Christains to support him. Huckabee talks the Christian language, but while he would make a great tv preacher, he is no leader! He is too insecure and jealous. Huckabee was a loser before he ran for President and he is today. I will not support Huckabee, because he is a fake and a lier. If Mccain picks him, he will simply be allowing the brianwashed zealots decide the election. I love God, and I love Christians, but I hate fake Christains and Huckabee has fake written all over him. MCCAIN/ROMNEY 2008!!!!!!

Ike I need not respond as your response speaks for itself. Joseph, you have got to be kidding,anyone who as a conservative republican can vote for Slick has the corner on being brainwashed! I have heard the Romney talking points over and over and still they do not hold water. I will put Mike Huckabees record against Slicks any day! Please direct me to this new dictionary that defines conservatism! And just in case you get the urge to play the everybody hates mormons card, go to the site govnotgod.org and you will see it has nothing to do with being mormon. Also go to any of Greg Jacksons articles at townhall.com, he has been warning people about Slick for 5 months,he has a handle on what a true conservative is! He is a resident of that fine state that Slick ran. Im afraid it is you who have been brainwashed!

Vince,

What a truly witty comeback. My comeback speaks for itself, but you jumping in and talking about brains and dynamite was truly awe inspiring. I guess I can’t expect more than that from Huckabee supporter. I am sure you heard a brain/dynamite joke and thought you would repeat it. Just as you are repeating the opinion of specific journalists who share your opinion. So you don’t mind backing up Huckabee’s record? What about his ethics violations? I understand that some were frivolous lawsuits, others weren’t. He even states that MOST, not all, were worthless charges. So, Vince, what about those charges that stuck? You are ok with supporting a man who lied to the IRS, stole money from his own campaign, and took bribes? Oh wait, that was his profession before being a politician, so it only fits for now. Maybe you support Huckabee’s tax hikes, or is it his pardons and commutations? Maybe you are a fan of his illegal immigration plans that he supported as Governor? Is it his increasing the size of government? Oh, he is the epitome of a conservative, right? Big government, big spender, deceitful….Oh so you like that he is pro-life. Wait which Governor did more to support pro-life laws while in office. Oh yeah, Romney vetoed all the bills that crossed his desk that were pro-choice. Which governor was it that wrote letters to ALL the senators asking to support a sanctity of marriage act. Right again, ROMNEY. So what is it that you like about Huckabee? His theology degree? Oh wait, when he said that in the debate, it was a blatant LIE. He doesn’t have a theology degree. Maybe it is because he beat “the Clinton Machine” 4 times, except he never ran against the Clintons. He actually only took office by forcing the standing governor out by threatening hearing, then only winning as the incumbent.
Good choice. But I don’t fault you. You probably just listened to someone else and took their opinion as your own. Kind of like your jokes.

Shame on those so-called social conservatives. Mitt is a descent and good man. This is nothing more than a attack on his religion….. Shame! You narrow minded zealots!

If the one of those two idiots on the Democratic side win in November, it will be because of groups like this….

Ike it seems OK for you to make intelligence jokes to dust but do not like them returned! Speaking of signing bills the legislature sends spending bills to the governors desk and he signs or vetoes them! There is no record of such a veto for 50 dollar copay! And like it or not Slick was instrumental in getting gay marriage in Mass. He is also on record supporting the brady bill! LOOK AT THE RECORD! SORRY I FORGOT YOU ARE BRAINWASHED! Im done with you! Write Mccain, get Slick on his ticket, then find out for yourself that the party that was conservative is now broken! Dont feel bad, I hold Sean, Rush, Brit, Laura, Ann, and Fred way more responsible than the people they duped! And yes I did hear the dynamite joke from someone else, just as you heard all the garbage you are spitting out, unless you invented this in your own mind! Just remember a good walk with Dr. King will make it all better! Goodbye!

Throughout this election, it has become my obsession to say as many negative things about Mike Huckabee as my imagination can come up with. My vehement hatred for the man all stems from one question that he casually posed to a NY Times reporter (who claimed to know a lot about Mormonism) about whether or not Mormons believe that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers. As a Mormon, I do believe that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers. However, my bishop (at the ward I attend) instructs us to conceal such ‘deeper doctrines’ because people outside of the LDS Church just don’t understand such truths, and their unwillingness to accept them only jeopardizes our attempts to market ourselves as a Christian religion. In any event, I will go on hating Huckabee for a million eternities, because I am so insecure in my own faith that I have no other choice but to hate him with a demonic passion. Instead, as a temple-worthy Mormon (complete with magic underpants), I support wholeheartedly and without reservation my fellow cult member, Mitt Romney. If only he were elected President (or at least Vice President) then maybe my false religion would gain some credibility and people would no longer think us as a cult. Of course, you bozos in Eldorado, Texas are complicating matters greatly by actually following the teachings of our founder/prophet, Joseph Smith. Us mainline Mormons are smart enough to hide the less attractive aspects of our religion (such as polygamy, our aspirations to godhood, secret temple ceremonies including the handshake that gets you into heaven, magic underwear, etc.) instead of flaunting them like this splinter group of Mormons in Texas.

All Mormons (and others of equally deficient IQs), I would encourage you to follow my lead…
Say it with me…

HUCAKBEE IS THE DEVIL; ROMNEY IS GOD…HUCAKBEE IS THE DEVIL; ROMNEY IS GOD…HUCAKBEE IS THE DEVIL; ROMNEY IS GOD…HUCAKBEE IS THE DEVIL; ROMNEY IS GOD…HUCAKBEE IS THE DEVIL; ROMNEY IS GOD…HUCAKBEE IS THE DEVIL; ROMNEY IS GOD…

The more often you repeat this mantra (as is the case when you bear your testimony as a Mormon), the more convinced you will become of its truthfulness. Say it a few times and see if, you too, do not get a burning feeling in your bosom to verify its validity.

Vince,

You make almost as much sense as Dust. I am impressed. I didn’t know that two people could possibly be equally as dim. You have proved me wrong. As for as jokes toward intelligence go, you tried yours, I came back. Yours was silly, mine was a bit witty, and I came up with it all by myself. I know, something you have yet to try. Good job backing up Huckabee with your last post. You discussed a grand total of ZERO issues. Wow, that must have taken a lot of work. As far as the $50 dollar co-pay, you have to look at the record to understand it. Romney passed a bill that didn’t have an abortion clause. Yeah, all social conservatives are happy. Oh wait, the supreme court of MA ruled that if other conditions are covered then abortions must be as well. Whoops, big shot in the pants for republicans. (Kinda like Roe V. Wade.) So why hasn’t the president overturned that? That is the same reason Romney didn’t overturn the $50 co-pay, HE DIDN”T HAVE THE POWER TO. That is the problem with legislating for me the bench. One of the biggest points Romney made during his campaign. But you did a great job of parroting Huckabee’s non-ad/blatant lies. I guess they are only blatant to people who actually look at what happened. Now lets go on to the gay marriage. Romney was not opposed to civil unions. He believes, and I agree, that rights of a citizen should not be taken away because they are different. He does believe in the sanctity of marriage, hence his HUGE push for the bill to be signed. Once again, it was the MA Supreme Court that allowed gay marriage. As droves of homosexual couples flooded the state to get married, Romney did find an obscure law from 1820 that doesn’t allow non-citizens of MA to have legal standing marriaged in any other stay. So all the harm that was done by the Supreme Court of MA was at least curbed by Romney’s efforts. So you can disagree with his desire to treat all human beings fairly and be in support for civil unions, or you can try to force people to have your views, something God doesn’t even do. I appreciated your jab at the Dr. King comment. I wonder if you actually saw, as it wasn’t on liberal media, but pictures of George Romney and Dr. King marching together actually did surface. From multiple sources. Way to keep up on the news big guy. Once again proof that you didn’t do you own research.
So now that I have defended my candidate from all your attacks, why was it you supported Huckabee again? You still never mentioned anythign about all the Liberal, unethical, stupid stances he had.

Wow, Fake Shelby, you have some serious issues!

ike: Where do you get your fact? Oh, ya I forgot, not only can you not post the link, but you can’t even give clear instuctions on how to view them, and your calling me the mentally challenged one. Three people on this blog have posted the true estimate, 700 million at LEAST. They don’t say at least unless they are sure that it is not less than the number estimated. Just becuase we have numbers doesn’t mean that you have to through a temper-tantrum.

Now that I’ve proved you wrong on your numbers( unless you all of a sudden appear with a link or better instructions), And on Mitts Health care( socialized medicine). Earlier you told me to come up with a better plan. If you had read all of my post you would have see that I did. And it is far more conservative than your precious Mitt Domney. I now fell satisfied that I can leave this blog. But I will chech up every once and a while.

Thanks Vince for backing me up while I was gone.

VOTE MITT…if you don’t give a *hit !!!

Just put the www. in front of this…lets see if it works….go look at the Estimation…it is the article written by the Mass. Taxpayer Foundation. Where Everyone gets their numbers. Read the part about how those numbers are ESTIMATES.

masstaxpayers.org/data/pdf/bulletins/2004%20Budget%20Major%20Strides%20But%20More%20Pain%20Ahead.pdf

Comment by ike
April 8th, 2008 at 6:52 pm

Wow, Shelby, you have some serious issues!

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You’re right, Ike.
Like you, as a fellow Mormon, I’m so delusional as to think I can become a god in the afterlife.
It’s people like you and me who are just dumb enough to follow a con-man like Joseph Smith
or, more recently, another named Mitt Romney.

P.S. See you at sacrament meeting on Sunday!

ike: You still don’t get it. When they say at least, that means that they estimated lower not higher.

Fake Shelby,

I have never said I was Mormon. I actually think most Christian religions are a bit odd. Not all, but most. I really do think you need help though. You should see someone about you hate issues. I would hate to hear what you think about jews, muslims, buddhists. Heaven forbid anyone believe something other than what you believe. You should really try to force people to believe the same as you. It is worked so well in the Crusades. The Inquisition was a great time as well.

Dust,

They say that Romney would have to AT LEAST raise taxes by over $500 million to cover all the spending that was previously done. He actually cut spending in huge areas and raised fees $240 million. But I do see that you are unwilling to read the entire article. See where the numbers are from and understand that your source has skewed numbers. I am a bit disappointed, but not surprised.

For the other link that you inexplicably couldn’t find just put http://www. before the following:
mass.gov/bb/fy2004h1/execsumm/es11.shtml

Ike, I agree with ‘dust’ in many of his previous posts – YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!

I do not hate (or have any animosity whatsoever toward) Jews (they’re God’s chosen people), or Muslims, or Buddhists. Each group believes as they feel inclined. Good for them! Do I, on the other hand, have a problem with the Mormon religion? Yes. Why do I single them out? Because Mormons falsely claim to be Christian (but are counterfeits who believe they can become gods and numerous other blatantly blasphemous, unbiblical doctrines). Jews don’t call themselves Christians. Muslims don’t call themselves Christians. Buddhists don’t call themselves Christians. Mormons DO call themselves Christians and it makes Christians (and CHRIST) look bad and deceives those who don’t know any better.

Thankfully, there are enough biblically literate people in America to keep Mormons honest about their false faith and to keep your god-wannabe Romney out of the White House.

And Christians all make so much sense, Catholics believe in transubstantiation. I mean isn’t that cannibalistic? Wasn’t David chosen of God and had 300 wives and 700 concubines? So what sect of Christianity do you belong that you believe anyone could make your god (Christ) look bad by claiming belief in Him? So is it the Biblically literate people who agree with Lots daughters raping him to keep his seed going? Or as you say the Jews, the chosen people, is the son of a polygamist?
If you don’t agree with Mormons, that is fine. If you did, you would be one. You don’t agree with Muslims, so you aren’t one of them either. So why attack a group of people you disagree with? Oh, because of their claim. Well I am not offended by you claiming to be intelligent. You aren’t giving a bad name to intelligent people. All intelligent people can see what you obviously are. They don’t have to slander you. You seem to be doing a fine job on your own. So why do you care if a group calls themselves Christian, and you disagree? What do you care? Muslims believe that Christians aren’t true monotheists, since as many a muslim has stated. Christian dont’ know who they believe in. Is God one, is the Three? Is He the Father or the Son? So should Muslims mock all Christians and slander them because they don’t believe Christians aren’t true monotheists?

Shelby, you are an ignorant, hateful person who grabs half truths and pretends to know so much. However, I’m sure you’re too stupid to realize what a fool you look like when you post your rantings. You are a little person with a small mind and obviously a pathetic life.
I enjoy reading different perspectives on this blog but yours is childish and unoriginal. You are such a bore!

Hey Ike did the picture come up before or after Slick said Oh I meant that I saw this in my minds eye. And as far as records go look at Arkansas during Huckabees watch and compare it to Slicks! Also as far as news goes Im sure you were salivating in front of the TV when Slick as much as pleaded for the V.P. job while Sean drulled all over himself. Also keep in mind that before Sean started shoving Slick down our throats he was doing the same thing with Guliani another pillar of conservatism! What I expect from you and as you put it and your parrot friends is to refute Mike Huckabees record! RECORD, in other words what he actually did as GOV. compared to Slicks record, ie what he actually did as GOV. I keep hearing about facts, something you obviously know nothing about. To my friend dust dont bother with this guy any more, Im sure hes proven himself to fox news and will probably get the job!

ike: you lier, there is nowhere in that Budget Summary that says that Mitt only Raised Fees by 240 million that year.

Vince: I think his mentally challenged. Go to the Buget Summary. There are only two mentions of fees and they don’t add up to his numbers.

ike: It was Solomon that had the 300 wives and 700 cuncubines. And he was wrong to do it, read the whole Bible and you will understand it.

Vince and Dust,

You two argue so well. Usually in an argument. One person post facts and counters attacks. You two have done neither. I have “attacked” Huckabee’s record. Rather than specifically counter my arguments. You just call me a liar. You attack my candidates positions and I send you websites, give you facts, and get very specific. You both failed in debate didn’t you.
And yes Solomon did have that many and he took his father’s harem. You didn’t mention Jacob/Israel’s four wives. Niether did you mention anything on Catholic cannibalism. I have no problem with Catholics, I just find it an odd practice. You still don’t address Huckabee’s increased spending. You could at least say that the people voted to increase taxes to fix the roads, even though the vote was after the law was signed.
You have me your source. I shredded it. I gave you my source, you say you can’t see it. Wow. You intellect still astounds. You have been weighed and measured, and you come up lacking.
When you come up with a real argument, and can justify you position, you can come back and play with the adults.

I am a conservative and I will vote for McCain if Mitt Romney is on the Republican ticket in November.

ike: Once again you lier. I looked at what taxpayes. org had to say. This is their exact wording.

“Given the enormous fiscal shortfall, it was inevitable that the 2004 budget would entail some combination of new revenues, spending cuts, and further use of the reserves. Although the Commonwealth avoided increase in broad based taxes for 2004, it has raised taxes by almost 200 million, including a roughly 20 percent increase in the annual taxes paid by corporations, Massachusetts also raised fees dramatically, more than any other state in the nation according to a recent study. The estimated $500 million of fees increases that support the 2004 budget including hikes in registry of deeds fees far in excess of any responsable measures of the cost of services will surely hit taxpayers” pocketbooks as hard as any tax increase and, many would argue, less fairly as well. It is striking that the amount generated from the fee increases is more than half the $800 million in tax hikes approved for 2003. Also, because of the deep cuts in local aid, property taxpayers in dozens of cities and towns are facing local aid, property that fall disproportionately on lower income residents.”

Ike: you are a lier and the biggest twister of word I have ever seen. It reflects on how your mind is. YOU HAVE A TWISTED MIND.

ike: I just put you in the shredder. I ALREADY TOLD YOU WHAT HE SPENT HIS MONEY ON. HE SPENT IT ON ROAD AND EDUCATION.Are those not conservative issues. Oh, I forgot, your not a conservative. And you failed to answer what mitt spent his money on. Oh, ya on his socialized medicine program that is failing, I repeat failing. And your justification for Mitt not keeping up with job growth was pathetic. EVERY STATE EXPERIENCED JOB GROWTH DURING HIS GOVERNORSHIP, why didn’t he keep up.

ike: Going back to the Bible, God allowed men to be married to more than one wife. God had not yet set those sort of laws until later in the Bible. And I’m not Catholic and don’t know much about them or their practices. I in fact disagree with the ones I usually hear about.

Vince: I’ve noticed something, We ( you, me and fake Shelby) all agree that Ike is an idiot. But all the post like Ann Ward and Northern Texas. Have failed to help out their fellow comrade. Just go away Ike, we don’t need your so called ‘facts’ on this blog.

Dust and Vince,

Let’s try this one last time with just straight numbers and not interpretations from organizations with agendas.

I will first post some websites for you and everyone else to go to so they can get these numbers. I will let you cogitate over them while I type up the rest.

First, let’s look at http://www.massbudget.org/FY05TaxCollections.pdf

The important thing here is to read their methodology at the bottom of the page.

1) They use combined state and local taxes so that states that defer costs to the local government (which I am all for) can’t make it look like they are taxing less.

2) They don’t just do a per capita tax rate (total tax divided by population) as, as their example shows, that hides the fact that states with low income (like AR) would appear to have lower tax when in reality the rates could be higher.

3) Notice that by their method, MA ranked lower than 31 other states. There is a clear mistake in the graph as there are two AK when one clearly should be AR. We can debate about which one it is, but in any case AR is above the average whereas MA is below the average. And for what? I guess I will have to repost all the direct facts and figures on education because Dust still thinks that AR has a great system under Huckabee.

Second, let’s look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States

I know it’s Wikipedia, but you can click on the links and see where the data came from. Scroll to the bottom and look at income by state for 2006. Read the explanation of what median income means. For those that don’t understand math, it means half of the households in the state have an income above that level and the other half of the households have an income below that level.

What do we see? Even after 10 years of a glorious Huckabee reign, the state of Arkansas ranks 50 with a median household income of $37,458. Remember, half of all households earn below that. MA on the other hand, ranks 7 with a median of $56,592.

Third, let’s look at http://www.census.gov/govs/www/estimate05.html
I posted the link to fiscal year 2005, the latest one available, but you can check out other years. Click on the US Summary and Alabama through Mississippi link and you will get a big spreadsheet.

We will be looking at the “Gross revenue from own sources” row so that we are looking at all taxes and fees (because I know Dust has an issue with this). Under each state, we will be looking at the “State & Local government columns”. Further down are the rows for total expenditures.

So while you look at these and ponder- why is the income in AR so low? Why are the scores for their schools so low? Why are they paying so much more in percentage of taxes (see first link)? Just what did Huckabee do for 10 years besides find a way to buy a $500,000 home when he had no job?

Dust and Vince (post #1),

Let’s try this one last time with just straight numbers and not interpretations from organizations with agendas.

I will first post some websites for you and everyone else to go to so they can get these numbers. I will let you cogitate over them while I type up the rest.

First, let’s look at http://www.massbudget.org/FY05TaxCollections.pdf

The important thing here is to read their methodology at the bottom of the page.

1) They use combined state and local taxes so that states that defer costs to the local government (which I am all for) can’t make it look like they are taxing less.

2) They don’t just do a per capita tax rate (total tax divided by population) as, as their example shows, that hides the fact that states with low income (like AR) would appear to have lower tax when in reality the rates could be higher.

3) Notice that by their method, MA ranked lower than 31 other states. There is a clear mistake in the graph as there are two AK when one clearly should be AR. We can debate about which one it is, but in any case AR is above the average whereas MA is below the average. And for what? I guess I will have to repost all the direct facts and figures on education because Dust still thinks that AR has a great system under Huckabee.

Dust and Vince (post #2),

Second, let’s look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States

I know it’s Wikipedia, but you can click on the links and see where the data came from. Scroll to the bottom and look at income by state for 2006. Read the explanation of what median income means. For those that don’t understand math, it means half of the households in the state have an income above that level and the other half of the households have an income below that level.

What do we see? Even after 10 years of a glorious Huckabee reign, the state of Arkansas ranks 50 with a median household income of $37,458. Remember, half of all households earn below that. MA on the other hand, ranks 7 with a median of $56,592.

Dust and Vince (post #3),

Third, let’s look at http://www.census.gov/govs/www/estimate05.html
I posted the link to fiscal year 2005, the latest one available, but you can check out other years. Click on the US Summary and Alabama through Mississippi link and you will get a big spreadsheet.

We will be looking at the “Gross revenue from own sources” row so that we are looking at all taxes and fees (because I know Dust has an issue with this). Under each state, we will be looking at the “State & Local government columns”. Further down are the rows for total expenditures.

So while you look at these and ponder- why is the income in AR so low? Why are the scores for their schools so low? Why are they paying so much more in percentage of taxes (see first link)? Just what did Huckabee do for 10 years besides find a way to buy a $500,000 home when he had no job?

Dust- you must really like the economy in AR because it is the only place you will qualify for a job.

Wow, we have some pretty passionate people on this blog. This is my first time here, so I won’t be quite as volatile. Mitt Romney would be a great V.P.

If McCain chooses someone else. That would be fine as well. I only want to keep the dems and their scary socialist agendas OUT of the white house (no matter how well they speak).

And another thing. No one person has control over a state or country. There are several layers of politicians, votes, and agendas.

Because they were so good the first time:

Comment by Dean
March 15th, 2008 at 1:55 am
Musings on education and living as a conservative:

(I have tried posting my comments to Dust, but the system is not taking it- when they appear, this will be more clear.)

In my Google search on “ranking states education”, I found an interesting and very detailed study done by the state of Kentucky to assess their and other states education. It is found at http://www.lrc.ky.gov/lrcpubs/RR345.pdf.

This would be very useful if you ever are considering moving and value education as a prime factor.

Some of the interesting things, like Table 2.4 on page 25 showing the percent of children living in married-couple families in 2005. They looked at this since this is a good indicator of getting help at home and having a proper nurturing and educational environment.

You see that UT ranked #1 with 82.9%. I guess those Mormons must be doing something right and really do have family values. The state at #2 was North Dakota with 76.4%, a significant decrease. MA came in tied for 19 with 70.4% and AR was way down tied for 41 with 65.4%. ID was #3 at 76.2%

That got me looking. I figured if Marvin and Dust and others were going to slam me because my wife is LDS, I wanted to see how the Evangelical stronghold of the south did. After all, they teach family values as well, don’t they?

So what do we see? The US average was 68.3% of children living in married-couple families in 2005. But in the Bible Belt, we have TN 39 (65.7%), NC and AR tied at 41 (65.4%), NY 43 (65.2%), GA 44 (64.9%), FL 45 (64.0%), AL 46 (63.6%), NM 47 (63.0%), SC 48 (62.5%), LA 49 (58.4%) and MS 50 (54.1%). (Yes, I know some are not Bible Belt states- but I included for completeness.)

Me thinks that they aren’t doing so good spreading the good word and living it in the South.

Out of curiosity, I decided to check the ranking of other states Huckabee won. We have WV 22 (70.1%), KS 11 (72.6%), and IA at 8 (73.6%).

Out of more curiosity, I wanted to see the states that Romney won: UT 1 (82.9%), ND 2 (76.4%), MN 6 (74.2%), WY 7 (74.1%), CO 10 (72.8%), MT 13 (71.6%), MA 19 (70.4%), AK tied for 25 (69.0%), MI tied for 30 (68.3%) and ME 32 (67.9%).

I sure do find it odd that of the 10 states that Romney won, only one was below the US average for % children living in married-couple families and the lowest ranking was tied for 32. Of the 7 states that Huckabee won, four were in the bottom 10%. Take away WV (which we know he didn’t really win) and he had two in America’s heartland that were above the US average.

If I didn’t know better, it would seem that the states that actually LIVE family values by this metric went for Romney. Those that SAY they are the Bible Belt and Christian strongholds are at the bottom of the list.

Now, clearly there are multiple factors that go into all this- but I will conclude that many in the south either have out of wedlock children or they can’t stay married to each other.

At a minimum, y’all ain’t doin’ so good preachin’ ta yur neighbor. Maybe you should focus on that before trying to take over the country and force your religion on the rest of us.

Comment by Dean
March 15th, 2008 at 2:40 am
More musings on education:

From that same site http://www.lrc.ky.gov/lrcpubs/RR345.pdf we have more really good stuff.

In Table 2.5 on p. 26 we have the percent of children living in families with incomes at or above federal poverty line in 2005 (so again, a high number is good.)

UT was #3 (89.1%), MA was #11 (86.4%) and AR was #45 (75.1). So, Dust, for all your talk of how great things are in AR and how poorly Romney did in MA, looks like a higher percentage of children are below the poverty level in AR after 9 years of Huckabee as Governor.

I won’t bore you with the details, but encourage you to go to this link and low and behold, the South dominates the lower 10% again.

Table 2.6 on p. 28 lists the percentages of students in selected programs such as eligible for free or reduced school lunch or English language learner. (Here, a percentage or closer to a #1 rank is bad). So in 2005, AR had 51.9% of their students eligible for free or reduced lunch (and again the top 10 is dominated by the South), MA had only 27.7% and though irrelevant to Huckabee vs. Romney, UT had 32.4%.

Now we get to some real education statistics. Table 2.7 on p. 30 gives the four-year high school graduation rate in 2004 (back to a high percentage or closer to #1 being good). UT was #8 (83.0%), MA was #17 (79.3%), and AR was 25 at (76.8%). So not a huge difference between the states the two governed. But again, notice how many states that went for Huckabee can’t graduate people in four years.

Table 3.2 on p. 58 shows the percentage of students in each state that took the ACT and what their scores were in 2006. AR actually had 75% of their students take the ACT with scores and rankings as follows: Composite score 20.6 (#36), English 20.7 (#30), Math 19.9 (#40), Reading 20.9 (#39) and Science 20.3 (#40). I guess that not only can Huckabee not do math, the kids in his state don’t do so well either.

It is hard to compare with MA (but that isn’t my job, that is Dust’s) because only 13% of the students took the ACT. However, they had a composite score of 23.0 and were ranked #2, and then #2 in English, #1 in math, #3 in reading, and #8 in science. Looks like you would want your kids in MA schools.

Table 3.3 shows the percentage of high school students who scored a 3 or higher on an AP exam in 2000 and 2006. Interestingly enough, UT and those poor brainwashed Mormon kids ranked #2 (17.4%) in 2000 and #3 (20.8%) in 2006. MA ranked #5 (14.5%) in 2000 and #6 (19.8%) in 2006. AR did great however. I can see Huckabee’s (and Dust’s) message now “I more than doubled the number of students doing well on AP exams while I was Governor.” And that would be true. In 2000, AR was 45 (4.3%) and in 2006 they jumped to 30 (9.8%). When you are so far near the bottom, it is hard to go in any other direction.

Finally, Table 3.4 on pp. 65-66 gives similar information as above, but for the SAT in 2006 as opposed to the ACT. In MA, 85% of their students took the SAT, but ranked only 31 in Reading, 27 in Math, and 27 in writing. (Notice I am including all data, including that which does not really help my argument.) Now I know if Dust looks this up (simple click of the link), he will be jumping up and down screaming, “Dean, look at how great AR did.” Ranked 11 in Reading, 14 in Math, and tied for 8 in Writing. Great job, AR! Only problem is, only 5% (probably the only really bright ones trying to get into Ivy League type schools- can someone tell me if things have changed- it used to be the “big name” schools required SAT and not ACT) took the test. So comparison is not valid.

Dust, I will anxiously await your reply to tell me again just how Huckabee did wonders for education in AR with all the taxes that he raised (repeatedly). The only numbers I see that come close to the 8th is if Huckabee quoted the ranking for his 5% of students who took the SAT and did great in Writing.

Mitt Romney is a handsome man…:)

Of course, probably Mitt Romney’s early attack adds against Republican candidates might come back to haunt Mitt.?

Comment by Dean
March 16th, 2008 at 1:59 am
I clicked on the very first site to come up in the search and got http://www.morganquitno.com/edrank.htm

You see rankings for the 2006-2007 year, so both Huckabee and Romney were still Governors. We see that AR ranked 32, which was an increase from 37 in the 2005-2006 ranking. By way of information (although the topic is not how Romney did, but you proving that Huckabee took AR from 48 to 8), we see that MA ranked #2 in 2006-2007, which was up from #3 in 2005-2006. You can go to that website and see the criteria used and it ranges from proficiency in certain subjects for various elementary and middle school subjects, to revenue and salaries, to attendance and drop out rates. Pretty extensive. And not biased from what I could see.

Conclusion- you were wrong by saying Huckabee took AR from 48 to 8 in education. And according to the arktimes web link provided, it shows how he worked with the Democrats, “even when they required more taxes.”

But, I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt so I kept looking. On that same link as above, you can click on prior years’ rankings. We see AR had rankings from 2002 to 2006 ranging from 38 to 32 for “Smartest State.” (So remember, a lower number is good.) MA went from 7 in 2002 to either 1, 2, or 3 in the years Romney was Governor. WOW. And I wasn’t even going to try to argue for him.

Again, you see no evidence whatsoever that AR ranked near as high as you say. So I looked on.

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Still like to see a Sean and Ann ticket!

Comment by Dean
March 16th, 2008 at 2:02 am
I then clicked on the link for http://www.psk12.com/rating/USindexphp/STATE_US.html.

I know nothing about them, but they give free information for 2003 and you have to pay for anything newer. I wasn’t going to pay, so I looked only at 2003. We see that for Elementary Schools, MA ranked #2 and AR ranked 40. For Middle Schools, MA ranked #1 and AR ranked 43.

So, Dust, it looks like you have STRIKE #2 unless you can first show me a site with objective evidence of your claim and why it disagrees with what I have posted here. It also looks like Romney must have done ok on the education side- even if certain bloggers claiming to be from MA say otherwise.

Not only were you wrong, but we see that Huckabee worked with Dems, raised taxes, and didn’t seem to get a big bang for his (I mean the citizens of AR) buck. After all, he was Gov. for 10.5 years as you like to point out all the time. He should have had time to fix this IF he were a leader.

Will someone other than Dust or Vince please visit these websites on education and then let us all know if you think that AR had a great improvement in education under the Huckabee regime?

ALOT OF THESE POSTS, not all, FOR THIS BLOG ARE LAME AND CAUSE YOUR CANDIDATES TO LOOK BAD.

START YOUR OWN PERSONAL BLOGS AND GO AT IT THERE.

STOP FURTHER EMARRASING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

THANKS.

A LOT OF THESE POSTS, not all, FOR THIS BLOG ARE LAME AND CAUSE YOUR CANDIDATES TO LOOK BAD.

START YOUR OWN PERSONAL BLOGS AND GO AT IT THERE.

STOP FURTHER EMARRASING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

THANKS.

A LOT OF THESE POSTS, not all, FOR THIS BLOG ARE LAME AND CAUSE YOUR CANDIDATES TO LOOK BAD.

START YOUR OWN PERSONAL BLOGS AND GO AT IT THERE.

STOP FURTHER EMBARRASING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

THANKS.

Ahemm! Back to the original article.
I tell you it sounds like blackmail to me. “You don’t do it our way and we are sinking the ship. We have the power to do it, too.” That means you would rather have Obama or Hillary than Mitt? That makes a lot of sense. Bunch of blackballing blackmailers. It would serve you right to have to suffer through a Dem regime for two more terms. The only problem with that is we will all have to suffer beside you. Also, I wonder, while you were spending the dime to run the ad, why didn’t you enlighten us on who would be a better VP? Oh, wait, I have something in my throat:
Huck! Huck! Huuuuck! There that’s better.

Back to the economic posts I ended at 12:10 AM:

Let’s look at expenditures since Dust does not seem to believe that Romney cut spending to help balance the budget.

From the http://www.census.gov/govs/www/estimate05.html website, we have the following (please note that for whatever reason there is no data for 2002-2003, this is unfortunate since Huckabee had been Governor in AR since 1996 but Romney was sworn in January 2003 and so his first budget was 2004-2005. Also note that the spreadsheet says dollars are in the $000, meaning you have to multiply by 1000 to get what I have below.)

AR MA
2001-2002 $14,599,361,000 $51,125,208,000

2002-2003 no data available

2003-2004 $16,323,339,000 $58,207,511,000

2004-2005 $17,253,392,000 $59,040,717,000

Population
In 2003-2004 2,750,000 6,407,000

So the percent increase in expenditures between 2001-2002 and 2003-2004 was for AR
(16,323,339,000/14,599,361,000*100)-100 = 12% and for MA (pre Romney making the budget) it was 14%.

See, you have to compare percent because the budget in MA is so much larger than in AR to start with because the population is 2.3 times as big and there are many more urban areas which are much more expensive on average than rural areas. Dust, this plays into your constant harping of Romney raising taxes $700M per year. Even if that were true, that is only 1% for a $59B budget.

What we see is that the rate of increase in MA and AR for the two years prior to Romney making the budget were close to the same, 12% and 14%.

But when Romney became Governor, the first thing he did was cut programs and consolidate government offices.

So the percent increase in expenditures between 2003-2004 and 2004-2005 are 5.7% in AR and 1.4% in MA. The important thing to note is that the rate of increase in AR was about the same as the previous years. Also, the inflation rates in 2003, 2004, and 2005 were 2.27%, 2.68%, and 3.39% respectively. That means Huckabee was increasing spending at more or about twice the rate of inflation every year- that is HE WAS GROWING GOVERNMENT. Romney’s first year, on the other hand, had growth about half the rate of inflation, so HE WAS SHRINKING GOVERNMENT!

I will admit, we know Romney did not continue that great trend, but we don’t have the numbers for us to do the independent assessment- but we also don’t know if Huckabee went on a spending binge his last couple of years either.

But this data clearly shows a big difference between the two. And remember, Huckabee had been in charge for quite some time- so a true leader would have been able to slow that growth in spending.

Sorry that the numbers above ran together.

Also, the link for inflation rates used is http://www.miseryindex.us/irbyyear.asp

So now, using the same website from the census bureau, let’s look at taxes.

Again, we will look at the total revenue from own sources (so we aren’t counting what the federal government gives) and it includes all taxes and fees to make Dust happy. We are again comparing the combined state and local revenue.

AR MA
2001-2002 $9,564,278,000 $32,802,044,000

2002-2003 no data available

2003-2004 $10,467,714,000 $37,106,775,000

2004-2005 $11,695,272,000 $39,929,655,000

So, we will do the same analysis and see what the percent increase was in each state for each of the time periods. However, not all increases in revenue are associated with a tax increase. As any good Reagan Republican (or even JFK) would know, as the economy grows, revenue increases. Tax rates can go down (but since both states had Democratic legislatures, we know that didn’t happen often) but revenue can go up.

The percent increase from 2001-2002 to 2003-2004 was 9.4% for AR and 13.1% in MA before Romney came in.

The percent increase in revenue from own sources from 2003-2004 to 2004-2005 was a whopping 11.7% in AR and 7.6% in MA. So unless people suddenly started making a whole lot more money in AR or a whole lot of new people moved in from 2004 to 2005, it sure looks like the Huckster was raising taxes AGAIN. Since AR ranks 50 in median income, it is not very likely that a bunch of folks there suddenly started making more money or that a ton of new jobs were created (at least not ones that pay worth anything).

Romney, on the other hand, in spite of Dust’s claims of these huge increases, was basically in line with the yearly increases before him.

Now dust, before you run off and say- “Gee, these numbers prove Romney raised taxes by almost $3 Billion in one year”, remember no one claims that just as no one claims that Huckabee raised taxes by more than $1 Billion in the same year. Remember what I said above about all the factors (more jobs, higher income, larger population, lower tax rates or sometimes higher tax rates) that make this difficult to see exactly what happened.

But your claim of a great AR economy are not born out with their poor median income.

Also, again, even if Romney raised taxes by $700 million per year (and some of your own posts show that number may be inflated by as much as almost $200 million), that is still only 1.75% of the total revenue for the state of MA in 2004-2005.

Because of the much smaller budget (lot less people, lot of relatively poor people, crappy education system) in AR, Huckabee’s famous one penny sales tax increase would be a much larger percentage and since it was on food- it hurt the people who could least afford it.

Amazing how he did nothing as Governor to help them but suddenly he wants a fair tax. Yeah, he is real believable.

Sometimes I amaze even myself.

If we look at http://www.arkansasleader.com/2007/11/editorialswhos-biggest-tax-raiser.html
we can see a list of Huckabee’s tax increases and the year. So enacting taxes in 2003 would impact the 2004 and 2005 years- explaining the huge jump in revenue. Note the HUGE increase in sales tax in 2003 and tons of sin taxes (which, BTW- are fine with me).

Huckabee tax increases

- Imposed an income tax surcharge of 3 percent on tax liabilities of individuals and domestic and foreign corporations (Act 38, 1st special session of 2003). (It was temporary until revenues improved. The legislature repealed it in 2005.)

- Increased the sales tax by 1/8 of one percent by initiated act (but it was a personal campaign by Huckabee, who campaigned across the state for it and took a celebrated bass boat trip for 4 days down the Arkansas River holding press conferences in each river city to urge passage of the act)

- Increased the sales tax by one-half of 1 percent (Act 1492 of 1999)

- Increased the sales tax by 7/8ths of 1 percent and expand the sales tax to many services previously exempt from the tax (Act 107, 2nd special session of 2003)

- Collected a 2 percent tax on chewing tobacco, cigars, package tobacco, cigarette papers and snuff (Act 434 of 1997)

- Levied an additional excise tax of 7 percent on tobacco (Act 38 of 1st special session of 2003)

- Increased the tax on cigarette and tobacco permits (Act 1337 of 1997)

- Increased the tax on cigarette and tobacco – cigarettes by $1.25 per thousand cigarettes and 2 percent of the manufacturers’ selling price on tobacco products (Act 434 of 1997)

- Increased the tax on cigarettes by 25 cents a pack (Act 38, 1st special session of 2003)

- Levied a 3 percent excise tax on all retail sales of beer (Act 1841 of 2001 and extended by Act 272 of 2003 and Act 2188 of 2005)

- Revived the 4 percent mixed drink tax of 1989 and added a 4 percent tax on private clubs (Act 1274 of 2005)

- Increased the tax on gasoline by 3 cents a gallon (Act 1028 of 1999)

- Increased the tax on diesel by 4 cents a gallon (Act 1028 of 1999) Note: Contrary to what Huckabee has said repeatedly in debates, speeches and TV shows, the 1999 gasoline and diesel taxes were not submitted to the voters and approved by 80 per cent of them. It was never submitted to a vote. It was the governor’s bill and it became law without a vote of the people. What the voters did approve in 1999 was a bond issue for interstate highway reconstruction but it did not involve a tax increase. Existing taxes and federal receipts were pledged to retire the bonds.

- Increased the driver’s license by $6 a person, from $14 to $20 (Act 1500 of 2001)

For all those who want to skip to the punch line:

Huckabee is NOT a fiscal conservative. Spending went up far more than inflation for the years examined. He raised taxes like a Democrat. His state still has a poor education system. The median income in his state at the end of his time in office is the second lowest in the entire country.

For the limited information I presented, Romney cut spending big time in his first year. He raised taxes, but no more than his predecessor. The education system in MA is ranked at the top. Median income in the state is number 7.

So what we have is Dust making up numbers. We have Romney’s predecessor slamming him when she is the one that lost tons of jobs. Romney righted the ship. Yes, the numbers for job growth aren’t all that impressive when compared to the nation that as a whole did not have an idiot like Swift losing jobs left and right before hand.

Those like Vince and Dust who try to make Romney out as a fiscal liberal are doing so only to mask their real dislike for the man and that is his religion. They think Huckabee walks on water when in reality he is a disaster and would make the entire nation sink as low as AR.

Wow, Dean. I am impressed. That was a lot of work. Well organized and quite concise. It is sad that most people won’t look at it. They might even call you a liar. But I appreciate your work and your presentation.

Thanks, Ike.

I appreciate the good fight you put up. Hopefully, there will be new blogs and it won’t hurt my feelings at all if you copy and paste before I can.

I decided to go to the basic numbers as reported from the same source so that we are truly comparing apples and apples. I never realized the census site had all that economic information.

Everyone needs to realize that any number, good or bad, as reported by any organization (taxpayer groups, even the media, the candidate especially) will usually contain a bias.

I realize that my numbers show only one out of four of Romney’s budgets- not much I can do since it seems to take the feds two years to gather the data- so in May we should get the 2005-2006 numbers posted.

But since Huckabee had been in power for 8 years and his budgets were constantly going up at at least twice that of inflation, there is no valid argument (from Dust or anyone else) that he had to keep raising taxes to balance his budget because it is the law. The guy couldn’t reign in spending. He screwed the average citizen of AR while I am sure that the Walton clan (Walmart fame) and the Tyson owners were able to buy him off- how else could he afford a $500,000+ home? (Maybe he thought that if the state had a surplus, he was allowed to take it just like he tried to take the furniture from the Governor’s mansion.)

And lest anyone say I am just bashing Huckabee because he is a Christian- let me go on record now that I would support John McCain (a baptist) especially if he picked J.C. Watts as VP. J.C. was a great football player and a great conservative member of the House- but he also was an ordained Southern Baptist minister. But if he ever followed Huckabee tactics of claiming we need to “convert them all” and “change the Constitution to match God’s law”, he too would lose my vote.

You are funny Dean: YOu just proved that Huckabee improved education, Thank you I counldn’t have done it better myself. In 1996, Arkansas ranked almost dead last in education. You just proved that they are now a little below national average, Thanks to Huckabee refurming the system. 49 to 32 or whatever, is impressive, No. He also help build roads and moderize Ark which obviously takes some money.I don’t have time to answer the rest of your blogs( you obviously have some time though). But I assure you that I could blow out of the water as well as we did ike. Don’t have the time right now, maybe I’ll get you tonight.

Vince: If you bother trying to reason with Dean. It won’t be to hard beating him in a debate. I have done so before. He likes to get off topic( as you can tell above).

Dust-

You are not comparing the same numbers.

You are a complete idiot. You can’t compare the ranking from one group with one from another.

Good luck ever getting a real job with your crappy home school education.

Notice I don’t post during the day- I work for a living unlike a mooch like you.

DUST IS A LIAR, AN IDIOT, A BIGOT AND WORST OF ALL, A HUCKATWIT! THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE BEAT IS YOURSELF!

Repost of above

Comment by Dean
April 9th, 2008 at 12:36 am
Comment by Dean
March 16th, 2008 at 2:02 am
I then clicked on the link for http://www.psk12.com/rating/USindexphp/STATE_US.html.

I know nothing about them, but they give free information for 2003 and you have to pay for anything newer. I wasn’t going to pay, so I looked only at 2003. We see that for Elementary Schools, MA ranked #2 and AR ranked 40. For Middle Schools, MA ranked #1 and AR ranked 43.

What part of AR is still ranked 40 or below don’t you get?

Dean,

As much as you try Dust can’t comprehend. We must understand how hard the english language is for some people. Numbers are rough too. Mass being number 1 and Arkansas being number 40, to Dust, is like a basketball score. To him, the higher number is better.
Don’t you love his argument? I will blow you out of the water, later, not now, i haven’t quite figured out how to answer and thing, i need to find a liberal news outlet to tell me what to say. He even copied and pasted the article that I showed him, and he still missed the word ESTIMATE. So for all of you hard work, actual numbers, and respectful presentation, Dust will still think he is right. It is kind of like Huckabee thinking he has a Theology degree. But no matter how much you say it is fact, doesn’t mean it is.
I do like the fact that you post actual sources, unlike our two extremely intelligent debaters. I think if they knew how to stuck out their tongues on the computer, that would be their next argument.

If anyone else comes into this compound to steal my wives and their children, you’re toast!
So far, over 400 of our hottest LDS babes have been carted off in church buses…
all because our religion urges us to impregnate and abuse 13 year-old girls.
What a crock!

My obsession rages on…

Throughout this election, it has become my obsession to say as many negative things about Mike Huckabee as my imagination can come up with. My vehement hatred for the man all stems from one question that he casually posed to a NY Times reporter (who claimed to know a lot about Mormonism) about whether or not Mormons believe that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers. As a Mormon, I do believe that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers. However, my bishop (at the ward I attend) instructs us to conceal such ‘deeper doctrines’ because people outside of the LDS Church just don’t understand such truths, and their unwillingness to accept them only jeopardizes our attempts to market ourselves as a Christian religion. In any event, I will go on hating Huckabee for a million eternities, because I am so insecure in my own faith that I have no other choice but to hate him with a demonic passion. Instead, as a temple-worthy Mormon (complete with magic underpants), I support wholeheartedly and without reservation my fellow cult member, Mitt Romney. If only he were elected President (or at least Vice President) then maybe my false religion would gain some credibility and people would no longer think us as a cult. Of course, you bozos in Eldorado, Texas are complicating matters greatly by actually following the teachings of our founder/prophet, Joseph Smith. Us mainline Mormons are smart enough to hide the less attractive aspects of our religion (such as polygamy, our aspirations to godhood, secret temple ceremonies including the handshake that gets you into heaven, magic underwear, etc.) instead of flaunting them like this splinter group of Mormons in Texas.

All Mormons (and others of equally deficient IQs), I would encourage you to follow my lead…
Say it with me…

HUCAKBEE IS THE DEVIL; ROMNEY IS GOD…HUCAKBEE IS THE DEVIL; ROMNEY IS GOD…HUCAKBEE IS THE DEVIL; ROMNEY IS GOD…HUCAKBEE IS THE DEVIL; ROMNEY IS GOD…HUCAKBEE IS THE DEVIL; ROMNEY IS GOD…HUCAKBEE IS THE DEVIL; ROMNEY IS GOD…

The more often you repeat this mantra (as is the case when you bear your testimony as a Mormon), the more convinced you will become of its truthfulness. Say it a few times and see if, you too, do not get a burning feeling in your bosom to verify its validity.

Hey Fake American Conservative and Fake Shelby, in case you didn’t notice this is a political blog. If you choose to be painfully bigoted toward Romney’s religion, and uniformed I might add, leave it at home with your cousin of a spouse and three legged dogs. For political issues, we can discuss them here.

I ha*e NI*G*Rs
I ha*e NI*G*Rs
I ha*e NI*G*Rs
I ha*e NI*G*Rs
I ha*e NI*G*Rs
I ha*e NI*G*Rs
I ha*e NI*G*Rs
I ha*e NI*G*Rs

Sean Hannity and Hal Turner know how to hate a NI*G*Rs. I watch him every night. Sometimes he brings a NI*G*R on his show and rips that blacky a new backside. When will those darkies learn that they will NEVER get anywhere as long as real WHITE Americans are still living here?

Comment by ike
April 9th, 2008 at 1:28 pm

Hey Fake American Conservative and Fake Shelby, in case you didn’t notice this is a political blog. If you choose to be painfully bigoted toward Romney’s religion, and uniformed I might add, leave it at home with your cousin of a spouse and three legged dogs. For political issues, we can discuss them here.

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Funny you would accuse me of being married to my cousin…
Isn’t that what’s happening with you Mormons (as indicated in El Dorado, Texas with the FLDS cult)?
If I DID marry my cousin, I’d at least wait until she was an adult to do so!

ike and Dean: you IDIOTS. Dean you accuse me of not understanding Arkansas ranking 40th nationally. That was in 2003 you MORON. But your later rankings in 2006-2007 Show Arkansas went from 37 to 32. But I really shouldn’t expect a man as stupid and dilluded as you to remember what you posted. Huckabee didn’t started improving education right in the begining of his governorship. He started working on that about midway I believe. So your the lier and the idiot. Oh, and by the way. You said that Arkansas median households income is $37458, while Massachusetts has 56,592. Your basic point is that Massachusett citizens make more than Arkansas citizens. Duh, you idiot, I knew that along time ago. Do you know why that don’t? Probably not, Massachusett is more densly populated. Whenever that happens prises go up. So the need for more income is needed. For example, I live about two hours away from Chicago. Here people get about 25 to 30 dollars an hour appoximately( I don’t ask many people but that my impression). While in Chicago, people are payed twice if not more than that. Are the making more money. Not really, becuase the cost for living there is alot more to, from what I’ve been hearing, it cost about twice as much to live there. So your comparision is not valied. Now you might say, Well that means that Huckabee really raised taxes by about 1 billion if he were in Mass. Ya, that might by about right. Except that Huckabee was governor for 10 years to Mitts 4 years. By the same numbers still remain unquinted. Mitt Romney raised taxes and Fees by 700 million that first year, and continued to raises the following years. He reformed a Health care system, Which right now is failing. While Huckabee improved education(you proved it yourself) and roads.

Ike: You are a lier. You said in an earlier post ” They say that Romney would have to at Least raise taxes by over $500 million to cover all the spending that was perviously done. I pasted exactly what the article said. Not even close to what the taxpayers foundation had to say.

I’m done blogging you two idiots. Your about the dumbest peoble I have ever meet. You both(especially you ike) ignore facts that hurt your canidate and try to go around them. O, by the way back to the article, Huckabee would be a much better VP then Romney. But its always Huckabee supports that suggest that ‘even though we like MIke, he shouldn’t be VP( he should be president)Because of the bitterness between the two camps. But Mitts supporters still have this fanticy that Mitt maybe can still be on the ticket. We would lose if he was. SEE YOU IN THE FUNNY PAGES.

Shows how much you guys really know. The FLDS has nothing to do with the Mormon religion. NOTHING!! Do your homework next time so you don’t look like such a fool, American Conservative.

NoMittVP.com I believe is going too far.

Send a petition fine, but this website will only cause further divisiveness as evidenced by the posts on this blog.

Comment by dust
April 9th, 2008 at 2:52 pm

ike and Dean: you IDIOTS…
I’m done blogging you two idiots. Your about the dumbest peoble I have ever meet…

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dust,

You are so right about these two dolts. They are so deluded and so arrogant that (as Mormons) they believe they will become gods of their own planets one day! Why would you expect such people to have the capacity for logic, reason, and clear thinking? You are wise not to squander another moment of your life trying to intelligently debate these two imbeciles.

Fake American Conservative

You once again put my into a religious group that I have never on any posts, claimed to be a part of. As you can read above…I don’t know if you actually can read above, or it had to be read to you. Great political post though. Very relevant. You have proved that there are stupider people than Dust. Though not by much. He is working really hard to be a close second, as you can see by the above post.

Fake American Conservative

You once again put me into a religious group that I have never on any posts, claimed to be a part of. As you can read above…I don’t know if you actually can read above, or it had to be read to you. Great political post though. Very relevant. You have proved that there are stupider people than Dust. Though not by much. He is working really hard to be a close second, as you can see by the above post.

American Conservative: They(ike and Dean) must be smart in their own little neighborhood(in their minds)

Comment by North Texas
April 9th, 2008 at 2:54 pm

Shows how much you guys really know. The FLDS has nothing to do with the Mormon religion. NOTHING!! Do your homework next time so you don’t look like such a fool, American Conservative.

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Oh, really? The Mormon Church is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS); the church in El Dorado is the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS).

They both claim Joseph Smith as their founding prophet, but the FLDS actually follow his (Smith’s) teachings more consistently than the LDS folks (who are obsessed with appearing socially acceptable) do.

The main two prophets of Mormonism (be it FLDS or LDS) are Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, both of whom preached and practiced polygamy. The FLDS continue to obey their teachings (so-called revelations) about polygamy, whereas the LDS quit doing so in 1890 so that the Utah Territory could be granted statehood. (The U.S. government (at the time) would not allow a state in the union the citizens of which practiced polygamy).

The only difference, then, between the FLDS and the LDS is that the FLDS are actually better Mormons (more faithful to the founders’ ‘revelations’) than the mainstream LDS people.

Comment by dust
April 9th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
American Conservative: They(ike and Dean) must be smart in their own little neighborhood(in their minds)

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The collective IQ of said neighborhood is likely to not exceed single digits.
I’ve read your interactions with these two, dust.
Your points are well-stated and substantiated with verifiable data;
their points are nothing but recitations of Romney’s spin machine.
Interacting with such Rombots is like trying to reason with a rock.

Thank you American Conservative!

To the one idiot(Dean). You might recall that I once said that Huckabee improved education from 48 to 8. You proved me wrong( I’ll never let it happen again, but I’ve done it to you plenty). I since then have never reposted that. That what Huck real men do, when faced with fact they ajust to it. You will just have to ajust to the fact that 48,49, or 50 are worse scores than 32( in education terms. But oh ya, you don’t remember posting that. You did it in your 1:59 am post.

dust, I am a Huckabee supporter and you should not call people idiots. Don’t be quick to anger bro. That sinks way below Mike Huckabee’s campaign standards.

Also, for everybody else, I like the ideas that come from the FairTax. Even if the FairTax is never implemented fully there are good ideas to consider.

Check out http://www.fairtax.org

Also, check out the book “Fair Tax: The Truth, Answering the Critics” by Neal Boortz & Congressman John Linder with Rob Woodall

dust, I am a Huckabee supporter and you should not call people idiots. Don’t be quick to anger bro. That sinks way below Mike Huckabee’s campaign standards.

Also, for everybody else, I like the ideas that come from the FairTax. Even if the FairTax is never implemented fully there are good ideas to consider.

Check out http://www.fairtax.org

Also, check out the book “Fair Tax: The Truth, Answering the Critics”
by Neal Boortz & Congressman John Linder with Rob Woodall

Dean,

I just looked at your links. Finally, it took forever. So yeah you were right about the school numbers. But they still went up. And up is up. And Ha, see Romney did raise taxes and fees. Who cares what Huckabees numbers are. He is GOD’s candidate because he will reflect God’s will. We southern baptists do understand God’s will. That is why we split off from other Baptists, because we know that God’s will is for slavery as designed in the bible. So if Huckabee does raise taxes, God will make use of the money like the widows might and the loaves and the fishes. God will do this for america cuz God wants Huckabee to be president. So Huckabee will be on the ticket and God will kill McCain. We know it will happen. So dean, stop being an Idiiot and follow God!

The comments attributed to ‘dust’ above are clearly not his. My guess is they belong to ‘Dean’ or the butthole who thinks like him, ‘ike.’

Ike you are just an idiot. You have to compliment dean because i beat you when we debated. But God will strike you down.

Ike is a butthole of grand-canyon sized proportions!

Looks like we have imitators here. Those were not my posts. Haven’t posted on this one in a while. I don’t make silly derogatory slams. Dean, excellent information, wow impressed research you have done. I’m hoping for McCAIN/ROMNEY.

Chris: I agree, I shouldn’t have got so worked up. But it wasn’t quick to anger, I’ve dealt with Deans criticism for weeks. If you noticed they always start the name calling. But the doesn’t justify me I suppose. Just getting sick of it. Also more on the fairtax, they need people to go and put their name on a list to give to Congress. Sign up for it.

Well it looks like I hit a few nerves. Somebody likes to blog under my name. How mature!!!!

Thank you ShowMeSt for bring that to the light!!!

McCain/Romney would be a disaster!
It’d be the first election ever when I could not and would not support the Republican ticket.
I will never forsake my Lord (Jesus Christ) for someone who is deluded and arrogant enough to think
he can become a god (which is what Romney believes as a Moron).

Comment by Dust
April 9th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
Chris: I agree, I shouldn’t have got so worked up. But it wasn’t quick to anger, I’ve dealt with Deans criticism for weeks. If you noticed they always start the name calling. But the doesn’t justify me I suppose. Just getting sick of it. Also more on the fairtax, they need people to go and put their name on a list to give to Congress. Sign up for it.

Well it looks like I hit a few nerves. Somebody likes to blog under my name. How mature!!!!

Thank you ShowMeSt for bring that to the light!!!

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You’re welcome, dust!
You deserve better!
I read your previous posts and totally agreed with you (and American Conservative).
It was obvious that some of the more recent posts were from a ‘dust’ wannabe!

ShowMeSt: I don’t know if I deserve better. After reading what I said, I see that it was a little mean of me. I shouldn’t stup to their way of debating( constantly critizising.)

Got to go the bed now. carry on the good fight. I going to cut back on my blogging. It takes to much time.

Smart man, Dustin!
I, too, feel convicted that I’ve wasted too much time on here…less for me from now on, as well.

The problem with the dust wannabe that makes it so clear it is not the real dust is that the sentances make sense and aren’t full of spelling and grammar errors.

Too easy to tell it wasn’t the miscreant otherwise known as dust.

At 3:26- the real imbicilic dust said “I once said that Huckabee improved education from 48 to 8. You proved me wrong( I’ll never let it happen again, but I’ve done it to you plenty). ”

LIAR- you repeatedly made the claim of 48 to 8. And you’ve never proven me wrong.

1) I have never posted the number 48- that came from you and your candidate. Please show what survey that was from and what subsequent years from the same survey were. None of my numbers go back to when Huckaflea first assumed office.
2) Quite being so stupid as to mix numbers from different polls. That is invalid, just as is your logic.
3) If you look at the link http://www.morganquitno.com/edpri06.htm, first you see their own statement that even for them “Because the factors used to determine the Smartest State Award have changed through the years, caution is advised when comparing annual rankings.” So definitely using a different poll is even worse. But then what were AR rankings all under Huckabee?

02-03 03-04 04-05 05-06 06-07
38 38 36 37 32

But since Huckabee left office January 9, 2007 and the school year didn’t end until what May or June of 2007- the natural conclusion is that as soon as the idiot left office, the schools suddenly improved from 37 to 32. His last full year in office, they actually slipped back a slot from the previous year.

4) Don’t ever flatter yourself by calling yourself a real man. Thankfully you clarified properly saying a “Huck real man” otherwise known as an annoying androgynous flea.

5) In an earlier post you said “Huckabee didn’t started improving education right in the begining of his governorship. He started working on that about midway I believe.” Since he came to office in 1996, the first figures are after he had already been governor and was starting his second full term. Frankly, he is an @#$hole if he didn’t start trying to “improve education” until he had been in office that long. Also, the AR legislature passed the law with the sweeping reforms in January 2004 to consolidate the small school districts, AND IT WAS DIFFERENT THAN HIS PLAN BUT HE LIKES TO TAKE CREDIT FOR IT. And the change came about only because of a AR Supreme Court ruling- otherwise the jerk would have left the kids languishing.

6) You think you are so clever with your “MA has bigger cities so is more expensive”? What the HE#$ do you think I was writing when I was comparing urban and rural? Are you that stupid that you don’t even know what those words mean? And AR is not the most rural state, but why does it then rank second last in median income? Because their previous three governors were morons and the school system sucks so bad they couldn’t earn a decent wage. (Just like you when you graduate first in your homeschool class of 1.)

DUST IS A LIAR, AN IDIOT, A BIGOT AND WORST OF ALL, A HUCKATWIT!

I hope McCain picks Romney just so you, your idiot parents for pulling you out of public school, your preacher, and Huckabigot all leave the Republican party forever!

Why don’t you move to AR, dust? The education system is obviously better than what you are getting now, your income won’t look so bad when compared to their median, and best of all you can rapture yourself to death knowing you are breathing the same air as Huckabee.

Here is another great reason for dust to move to AR:

http://os.cqpress.com/Crime%20State%202008_Most%20Dangerous.pdf

After 10.5 years as governor, what did Huckabee leave as a legacy as far as crime is concerned (other than just letting murderers and rapists go0?

Gee, looks like in 2008, AR is ranked as the 11th most dangerous state and in 2007 it had been 13th.

http://os.cqpress.com/StateRank2008_Rankings.pdf

Gee, in 2008, AR ranks 46th as most liveable state and in 2007 it had been 48th.

http://os.cqpress.com/Healthiest%20State%202008_Rankings.pdf

Gee, in 2008, AR ranked 37th as healthiest state- the same as the previous year.

http://www.morganquitno.com/cit07pop.htm#25

Gee, Little Rock, AR ranks as the 23rd most dangerous city in the US. Scroll down and see that of the 25 most dangerous metropolitan areas, AR has 4 (Memphis, TN-MS-AR at #2; Pine Bluff at #3; Hot Springs at #13; and Little Rock at #16)

Translation: After 10.5 years of Huckabee as Governor, AR is dangerous, crime ridden, unhealthy, and unliveable. The second worst median income. A lousy education system. A high tax per income ratio.

Come on Dust, what’s keeping you from moving there?

Let’s examine just how Huckabee left the state of Arkansas after 10.5 years as Governor:

1) Education- all my previous posts have shown it is still well below average and in some polls in the bottom 10.

2) Crime (in addition to pardoning murderers and rapists):

http://www.morganquitno.com/cit07pop.htm#25

Gee, Little Rock, AR ranks as the 23rd most dangerous city in the US.

Scroll down and find that out of the 25 most dangerous metropolitan areas in the US, four have AR after them: (Memphis, TN-MS-AR at #2; Pine Bluff at #3; Hot Springs at #13; and Little Rock at #16)

http://os.cqpress.com/Crime%20State%202008_Most%20Dangerous.pdf

Arkansas ranks as the 11th most dangerous state in the US in 2008, it was 13th in 2007.

3) Health Care:

http://os.cqpress.com/Healthiest%20State%202008_Rankings.pdf

In 2008, AR ranks as the 37th healthiest state, the same as in 2007.

(Please note that MA ranks 5th in 2008, but was 3rd in 2007.)

4) Most Livable:

http://os.cqpress.com/StateRank2008_Rankings.pdf

In 2008, AR was the 46th most livable state, up from 48 in 2007.

So, let’s summarize: After 10.5 years of Huckabee in charge, the state of Arkansas has a crappy education system (which has the benefit of the people being so stupid as to realize just how poor their life is), has the second lowest median household income in the US, has a high tax to income percentage, is a very dangerous place to live with 4 of the most dangerous metropolitan areas in the US being in AR, has well below average health and overall is not very liveable.

HUCKABEE 2012 so he can screw the entire country!

Let’s examine just how Huckabee left the state of Arkansas after 10.5 years as Governor:

1) Education- all my previous posts have shown it is still well below average and in some polls in the bottom 10.

2) Crime (in addition to pardoning murderers and rapists):

http://www.morganquitno.com/cit07pop.htm#25

Gee, Little Rock, AR ranks as the 23rd most dangerous city in the US.

Scroll down and find that out of the 25 most dangerous metropolitan areas in the US, four have AR after them: (Memphis, TN-MS-AR at #2; Pine Bluff at #3; Hot Springs at #13; and Little Rock at #16)

http://os.cqpress.com/Crime%20State%202008_Most%20Dangerous.pdf

Arkansas ranks as the 11th most dangerous state in the US in 2008, it was 13th in 2007.

Let’s examine just how Huckabee left the state of Arkansas after 10.5 years as Governor:

1) Education- all my previous posts have shown it is still well below average and in some polls in the bottom 10.

2) Crime (in addition to pardoning murderers and rapists):

http://www.morganquitno.com/cit07pop.htm#25

Gee, Little Rock, AR ranks as the 23rd most dangerous city in the US.

Scroll down and find that out of the 25 most dangerous metropolitan areas in the US, four have AR after them: (Memphis, TN-MS-AR at #2; Pine Bluff at #3; Hot Springs at #13; and Little Rock at #16)

os.cqpress.com/Crime%20State%202008_Most%20Dangerous.pdf

Arkansas ranks as the 11th most dangerous state in the US in 2008, it was 13th in 2007.

3) Health Care:

os.cqpress.com/Healthiest%20State%202008_Rankings.pdf

In 2008, AR ranks as the 37th healthiest state, the same as in 2007.

(Please note that MA ranks 5th in 2008, but was 3rd in 2007.)

4) Most Livable:

os.cqpress.com/StateRank2008_Rankings.pdf

In 2008, AR was the 46th most livable state, up from 48 in 2007.

So, let’s summarize: After 10.5 years of Huckabee in charge, the state of Arkansas has a crappy education system (which has the benefit of the people being so stupid as to realize just how poor their life is), has the second lowest median household income in the US, has a high tax to income percentage, is a very dangerous place to live with 4 of the most dangerous metropolitan areas in the US being in AR, has well below average health and overall is not very liveable. In fact, it just down right sucks to be from AR. The only thing worse is to be moving TO AR.

HUCKABEE 2012 so he can screw then entire country!

As a Republican delegate and a voter in district 22, my #1 concern has always been to protect life. After all, what does it matter if we have the greatest economy but kill our children to get there? How can children ever have a chance at enjoying the benefits God has given us with our liberties, if our children are not even given a chance to breathe, let alone to have an opportunity to have a shot at our free enterprise system.

if Mccain chooses flip mitt for his vp, there will be no integrity in the campaign for the straight talker. I will not be able to vote for a proabortion antifamily man like mitt romney with good conscience. Would much rather wait for 2 years and take back the Congress with true Republicans who actually support the Republican voters’ platform for America.

Mom’s are often taken care of by crisis pregnancy centers. I wish we had a lot more funding for Crisis Pregnancy Centers than we have for planned parenthood and their abortion clinics. Moms deserve a better option.

Why do adoptions costs $16,000.00 , while taking the same child’s life is free?

If You what more one education: go to http://www.msubillings.edu/caer/quality_rankings_of_education_in.htm Also go to http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/states/profile.asp

And to prove that Ark did rank 50th in education Google Arkansas education ranking 1996. It should be the first one on the page. I cant view it myself becuase of my reader.

Sorry Dean and ike for calling you names. I shouldn’t have resorted to that. Just sick of all the disrespect from you two. This is my last blog.

I don’t know why my post aren’t showing. I will try something different.To learn more on education, just put http://www.

in front of msubillings.edu/caer/quality_rankings_of_education_in.htm. http:// in front of

nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/states/profile.asp

And to prove that Ark was 50. Google Arkansas education ranking 1996.

Sorry for calling both of you names. I shouldn’t have done that. I’ve been a lossy excuse for a Christian. And hope you guys will forgive me. This is my last post. Goodbye

To prove that Ark was 50th. Google Arkansas education ranking 1996. It should be the first page.

Sorry for calling you guy names. I shouldn’t have done that. I’m just sick of all the disrespect.

I had alot more than just that. But it wouldn’t let me post it. For more on the growth in education. Go to http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcark/states/profile.asp

All you fakers and haters out there really need to get a life. If you want to argue a topic, come on here bring up facts, and state why you support them. Dean has done a great job. He and I have both struggled with trying to get dust to understand basic english. We have proven the Huck supports wrong so many times there is no need to fake their names. They do a good enough job sounding like imbeciles on their own.
Another great post dean. Too bad it is falling on deaf ignorant stubborn ears.

Sorry wrong one thast for Alabama. But you can view Arkansas resolts in the same website. You will notice scorse going up up up especially in Math.

For some reason it says that my website has been moved. Just type it in your computer and it should work. Ike- your not the best with grammer yourself. Deans great at it.

My grammar and spelling errors are due to not caring when I type. I actually do fairly well in english, as I taught it for 2 years. I do, however, understand active participles. While most the time they are “er” additions to verbs. English is a wonderful language with complicated exceptions. So just to help you out, as you haven’t yet spelled “liar’ correct yet. It isn’t “lier”, the traditional “er” ending to create an active participle. Due to the “e” ending of the root, it is changed to an “A”. It is spelled “liar”. So there is your english language lesson for today. I will assume you will understand it about as much as you have understood all my other posts.

Dust,

Thank you for that site. Pretty comprehensive.

I still have not found a page with state by state rankings, though. I did find what you talked about that the percentage of students meeting basic math skills for this one test did shoot up dramatically for 4th and 8th graders at the basic level between 1996 and 2005.

The problem is, they were going up nationwide as well- so the real question is were they going up faster in AR than elsewhere. (The other problem is, as I have observed these standardized tests, and we are having a huge battle on that subject here in WA state, they really have been dumbed down over the years. And things like calculators now being allowed on certain tests- sorry but in my day you had to know how to do the problem AND how to calculate it quickly without that aid.)

From my previous posts showing that an outside group still ranks AR elementary and middle schools in the 40s, it does not appear that AR was improving faster relative to the rest of the nation.

And a direct quote from one of the pages on your site

http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/pdf/stt2007/2007495AR4.pdf

􀀘 Of the 52 states and other jurisdictions that participated in the 2007
fourth-grade assessment, students’ average scale score in Arkansas was
higher than those in 10 jurisdictions, not significantly different from those in
16 jurisdictions, and lower than those in 25 jurisdictions.²

http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/pdf/stt2007/2007495AR8.pdf

􀀘 Of the 52 states and other jurisdictions that participated in the 2007
eighth-grade assessment, students’ average scale score in Arkansas was
higher than those in 8 jurisdictions, not significantly different from those in
8 jurisdictions, and lower than those in 35 jurisdictions.

So you are correct scores were going up, but as I said they were nationwide as well. On this one test, AR 4th graders are still below average and 8th graders well below average in math. From my previous post on high school graduation rates, college admissions, and advanced placement, it gets even worse for high schools.

I’m sorry dust, you can’t spin it any other way. Huckabee didn’t do anything to help his state’s education relative to the rest of the country.

Dust,

Thank you for that site. Pretty comprehensive.

I still have not found a page with state by state rankings, though. I did find what you talked about that the percentage of students meeting basic math skills for this one test did shoot up dramatically for 4th and 8th graders at the basic level between 1996 and 2005.

The problem is, they were going up nationwide as well- so the real question is were they going up faster in AR than elsewhere. (The other problem is, as I have observed these standardized tests, and we are having a huge battle on that subject here in WA state, they really have been dumbed down over the years. And things like calculators now being allowed on certain tests- sorry but in my day you had to know how to do the problem AND how to calculate it quickly without that aid.)

From my previous posts showing that an outside group still ranks AR elementary and middle schools in the 40s, it does not appear that AR was improving faster relative to the rest of the nation.

And a direct quote from one of the pages on your site

nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/pdf/stt2007/2007495AR4.pdf

- Of the 52 states and other jurisdictions that participated in the 2007
fourth-grade assessment, students’ average scale score in Arkansas was
higher than those in 10 jurisdictions, not significantly different from those in
16 jurisdictions, and lower than those in 25 jurisdictions.²

nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/pdf/stt2007/2007495AR8.pdf

-Of the 52 states and other jurisdictions that participated in the 2007
eighth-grade assessment, students’ average scale score in Arkansas was
higher than those in 8 jurisdictions, not significantly different from those in
8 jurisdictions, and lower than those in 35 jurisdictions.

So you are correct scores were going up, but as I said they were nationwide as well. On this one test, AR 4th graders are still below average and 8th graders well below average in math. From my previous post on high school graduation rates, college admissions, and advanced placement, it gets even worse for high schools.

I’m sorry dust, you can’t spin it any other way. Huckabee didn’t do anything to help his state’s education relative to the rest of the country.

Renee,

You have been duped by the press coverage. Romney has personally always been pro-life. Even when making the statements of supporting a woman’s right to choose, he stated that he wasn’t going to force his beliefs on anyone. That came about because in his 20’s, the teenage sister of his brother-in-law died from a botched, illegal abortion. Although he was not pro-abortion, as you incorrectly state, he did not want others to have the same experience.

Again, the problem with you and people like you is that you can’t legislate morality (in addition to why are only you allowed to repent and change your ways and not Romney, or Ronald Reagan, or Bush the first?). While I too am pro-life, I know darn well that if we outlaw abortions, there will be many illegal, back alley abortions or women fleeing across the borders to get them. As with prohibition, you can’t stop the crime. You can make it more difficult, you can make so that taxpayers aren’t funding it, you can make so that parents have to be notified, etc. But, unfortunately, you will never stop it. (That in no way is saying we don’t try).

Spend your time converting your friends, neighbors, and relatives to LIVING the teachings of Jesus Christ (or- in defference to non-Christians at least what their God teaches) and then you don’t have to try to legislate. My previous posts have shown that the South- otherwise known as the Bible Belt- leads the nation in percentage of children not in two-parent homes. They talk big, but their actions don’t prove that they follow what they speak.

And what is your justification, other than your incorrect characterization of Romney as proabortion, for saying he is anti-family?

Please just repeat over and over “I am a bigot who won’t vote for a Mormon.” That’s really it, isn’t it? After all, if you allow people who were and still are pro-abortion like Clinton or Obama into the whitehouse, then you are a hypocrite and an enabler of the practice you despise. In both cases, YOU will then have to stand before the judgement bar of Christ and answer for that. (Don’t cut off your nose to spite your face- it’s stupid and just makes you look funny.)

Evangelicals spew hatred toward Mitt because of his faith? Well, duh! The Hucka-bucks are all about religious bigotry. There’s an old joke down here in the South.

“The Jews don’t recognize the Pope. The Muslims don’t recognize the Jews. And the Evangelicals don’t recognize each other in the liquor store.”

The hateful actions and rhetoric of the Hucka-bucks are much the same. They preach Jesus, and then never live the “love” they preach. That’s just pure hypocracy. Even Clinton and Obama get along better than Southern Christians of different sects.

Real tolerance and the love of God means nothing to Huckabee and his supporters. Just pass the plate Huck, that’s what you’re really after.

More proof Obama is a hyppocrit!
Was he lying then, or is he lying now????
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4sLjnXxAses

Dean: This IS MY LAST POST. I don’t understand it. Why do you ignore the lastest ranking in your last post. You said that Ark is 40th but that was in 2003. While that lastest study shows it to be 32. I understand that they changed policy, but wouldn’t they change it to make it better. But lets just assume that it is 40th. That still a jump from being almost dead last. 8-10 spots in the amount of time that Huckabee worked on it(2002 according to the wikipedia). Does seem impressive to me. So if it gaining spots, doesn’ that mean that it is growing faster? Don’t take me wrong. That doesn’t mean it growing faster than every state.But obviously its growing more than others. They were almost dead last in 2000.(thats when that article I gave you was written I think)

Something else that interesting. I found out what that 8th position was about. You can read the direct article http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/213239/

It taking about effiency. Not grades. I don’t know why you say I continuously said that Arkansas education grew from 48 to 8. As soon as you posted clear information against that claim I backed down. And tried to figure out where my fellow blogger got that information. I ask you guys for forgiveness. I fell really bad about calling you two names. It wasn’t right.

I would like just to say this. We all what the same thing(a conservative president that will restore America to her greatness. We just think we can get it though different canidates. This the last time I will say this. Goodbye. I read up on this a week from now. So don’t expect me to respont. But go ahead and comment.

Hey FAKE ShowMeSt, can’t think of your OWN name or is your state have NOTHING to be proud of?

Character assasination seems to be popular among these radical “so called” Christians. They don’t know the facts but seem to be driven and controlled by the dogma taught by their religion. (“Judge not that ye be not judged.”)

I really think that Senator McCain and Gov. Hucklebee pulled a fast one on Gov. Romney to force him out of the campaign. Their underhanded, unethical, actions shows just what their character flaws are. I would bet that Gov. Hucklebee is behind this current campaign to discredit Gov. Romney and his great success as a business manager. For that reason, if Hucklebee is the VP candidate with McCain, I will vote for Barack Obama.

Len,

I agree with you on the whole Huckabee issue, but please look at Obama’s record. It is horrible and his stances are worse. He wants to double capital gains tax, which will cripple business. Wants to increase income tax to 51% on small business owners. He lectured on full birth abortion. Seriously, Huckabee is horrible, but Obama is a disaster.

I believe that the person best fit to serve as vice president is governor MITT ROMNEY!
MR. McCAIN has guts and MITT ROMNEY has brain! THE republicans choose the right path.

THANKS,

Ike and I are together again.

I will do what I can to prevent Huckabee from being on the ticket- but I really don’t think there is much worry about that.

Given that McCain is going to take the public financing, he needs someone who can help raise large $$ for the party and him right now. Huckabee couldn’t even fund his own campaign and the best he can do is get a bunch of his zealots to run that ad. Romney on the other hand is out pounding the pavement and getting his organization working for McCain and the party.

Huckabee is no conservative, he is unethical, and if anything, I hope I have shed light on the fact that in 10.5 years as Governor, he did nothing to better his state. The closest any of his followers could come is Dust with his honorable attempt to show an improvement in education. That did happen, but it was caused by the AR Supreme Court and not by Huckabee. While I have many issues with the law, the No Child Left Behind act did cause all states to at least get their test scores up.

But that said, I will not be a hypocrite as I have accused all of the anti-Mormon people on these blogs of being. I am not thrilled about McCain in the slightest- his original stance on tax cuts and immigration are near unpardonable. I will be even less thrilled and will absolutely hate it if Huckabee somehow makes the ticket.

But, I will not be an Ann Coulter and vote for Obama or Clinton. The damage they could cause in two years (especially because they unfortunately will have a Democratic controlled Senate and House) will be unbearable- on the war, on immigration, on taxes, on Supreme Court appointments, and on social issues like abortion and family values. I had said that I would in the hopes that the Republican Party would get back to how they were in the 1994 Revolution. But I would be cutting off my nose to spite my face.

As bad as McCain/Huckabee would be- the option is just not there to do anything but vote for them or whomever McCain choses as a VP. Neither is voting third party as that will still just get the Dem elected.

So, Ike and I will keep up the fight to try to get Romney or some other conservative on the ticket (such as J.C. Watts) and to continue to point out Huckabee’s issues and problems- and as much as I hate following axioms, I will- “Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line.” But you better believe I will also do what I can to hold a President McCain’s feet to the conservative fire. I have never been actively involved in politics until this year- but this go around not only have I contributed dollars for the first time, I discovered blogging (much to some’s chagrin), and I am a county delegate to the WA state Republican Convention next month. We all need to ‘put our money where our mouth is’ or we will lose this country to the socialists Obama and Clinton.

As bitter as the fight has been and will continue to be- I would encourage all Romney and Huckabee supporters to think country first. Our candidates will live on to fight another day- but only if we prevent the Dems from socializing it first.

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Dean the problem that I have with your posts is that you have no idea why Huckabee is getting the strong support he is still getting.

Your view of Huckabee is too narrow.

I can see through your bias a mile away…
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Stop Being Cynical

Stop Thinking Horizontally

Stop Cheating Our Children

Stop the Culture of Chronic Disease

Stop Abusing Our Planet

Stop the Revenge-Based Criminal Justice System

Stop Robbing the Taxpayer

Stop the Heat and Turn on the Light for Hot Issues
-Immigration and border security
-Gambling
-Sanctity of life
-Ownership of firearms

Stop the Loss of America’s Prestige at Home and Abroad

Stop Moving the Landmarks of Liberty
-Family
-Finance
-Folly
-Force
-Faith

Stop the Loss of Good Jobs and the Erosion of Agriculture

Stop Being a Selfish Citizen

“From Hope to Higher Ground: My Vision for Restoring America’s Greatness”
-by Mike Huckabee

Chris,

As I can yours. There are only two camps I have seen on Huckabee’s side.

The first and by far the largest are evangelicals who somehow feel that he is the Second Coming of Christ. They excuse everything he has ever done in terms of governing all because “he is one of us” meaning evangelical, but more importantly, Southern Baptist. A subcategory of this group are the extreme evangelical bigots who would rather die than vote for a Mormon.

The second are those that believe he will implement the fair tax. Again, in their desire to see the IRS go away, they forget all the other things he has done.

Please tell me where I am wrong. Other than Iowa, Huckabee did poorly everywhere except the Bible Belt. In the big states, NY, CA, FL- he wasn’t even competitive.

And as far as my bias, what exactly would that be? I will vote for McCain (a baptist), I would strongly encourage him to consider J.C. Watts (a former Southern Baptist preacher) and I will vote for him. I don’t seem to be the one with the bias.

The problem is your chosen candidate- who is not a conservative, played the religion card, was also on the wrong side of immigration, couldn’t govern worth a darn,….

I assume that you are and were assuming that I am Mormon. You should really read all the blogs. I have posted repeatedly that I don’t support any organized relgion as I find them all hypocritical- with most evangelical denominations at the top of the hypocrisy list (being born again does not give one license to break any commandment you want and still claim that Christ will save you). But I have also stated numerous times that my wife and kids are LDS and so I do indeed know more about that faith than probably some of its members (I like to read, so I know a lot about lots of religions.)

So that said- please explain to me and the few still blogging exactly what my bias is?

Nice poetry.

But I will stand behind my 2:08 AM post. He couldn’t get AR to higher ground in education, crime, health, overall livability, income levels, etc. And he got 10.5 years in AR to do it. As president, you get at most 8.

Why should I believe he could (or will even try to) restore America’s greatness?

[...] HT: Carl Cameron [...]

My obsession rages on…

Throughout this election, it has become my obsession to say as many negative things about Mike Huckabee as my imagination can come up with. My vehement hatred for the man all stems from one question that he casually posed to a NY Times reporter (who claimed to know a lot about Mormonism) about whether or not Mormons believe that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers. As a Mormon, I do believe that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers. However, my bishop (at the ward I attend) instructs us to conceal such ‘deeper doctrines’ because people outside of the LDS Church just don’t understand such truths, and their unwillingness to accept them only jeopardizes our attempts to market ourselves as a Christian religion. In any event, I will go on hating Huckabee for a million eternities, because I am so insecure in my own faith that I have no other choice but to hate him with a demonic passion. Instead, as a temple-worthy Mormon (complete with magic underpants), I support wholeheartedly and without reservation my fellow cult member, Mitt Romney. If only he were elected President (or at least Vice President) then maybe my false religion would gain some credibility and people would no longer think us as a cult. Of course, you bozos in Eldorado, Texas are complicating matters greatly by actually following the teachings of our founder/prophet, Joseph Smith. Us mainline Mormons are smart enough to hide the less attractive aspects of our religion (such as polygamy, our aspirations to godhood, secret temple ceremonies including the handshake that gets you into heaven, magic underwear, etc.) instead of flaunting them like this splinter group of Mormons in Texas.

All Mormons (and others of equally deficient IQs), I would encourage you to follow my lead…
Say it with me…

HUCAKBEE IS THE DEVIL; ROMNEY IS GOD…HUCAKBEE IS THE DEVIL; ROMNEY IS GOD…HUCAKBEE IS THE DEVIL; ROMNEY IS GOD…HUCAKBEE IS THE DEVIL; ROMNEY IS GOD…HUCAKBEE IS THE DEVIL; ROMNEY IS GOD…HUCAKBEE IS THE DEVIL; ROMNEY IS GOD…

The more often you repeat this mantra (as is the case when you bear your testimony as a Mormon), the more convinced you will become of its truthfulness. Say it a few times and see if, you too, do not get a burning feeling in your bosom to verify its validity.

How ironic is it that we are going to slam the man with a “picture-perfect” family and marriage for being anti-family. Huckabee had a son that has such a “great” track record but he is the family man and “GOD’s CHOICE FOR PRESIDENT” Now that is ironic at its best.

It is so sad that we have ALL lowered ourselves so much that we ALL have to resort to childish retorts and personal attacks. Let’s leave that to the politicians. What is the point of a political blog? To slander other religions? I guess if it floats your boat we all have to live with the knowledge that it is a “free country” and we have rights to say what we want but last I checked they don’t teach insult variations in my Sunday Schoool classes.

Hopefully we don’t all destroy the conservative/republican movement over petty religious arguments over theology. If there are arguments over social or governmental issues that’s great to weed through the issues and get to the meat of the matter, but to slander somebody for the underwear that they wear or if they think that AFTER THIS LIFE ON EARTH they may have a chance to be like God is childish at best. Is it those same people that believe that a man lived in the belly of a fish for a time, or that a man brought together 2 of every animal onto a boat and sailed for years, or that a Man walked on water? Think about how rediculous those may sound to others as you believe them wholeheartedly before going off and making personal attacks on somebody else’s religious beliefs.

Just for a side note we have been discussing actual political topics of interest on this web site and I invite anybody that can come partake in the dialoge without using insults or religious slander.

http://www.votemittromney.us/default.asp

It has shifted from a pro-romney site to more of a conservative conversational blog. I am not a moderator or anything – I would just like to discuss political subject matter with others in the country.

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Huckabee as denounced any notions that he is somehow “God’s candidate”
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I don’t idolize Mike Huckabee. But, I like his vision.
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Stop Being Cynical

Stop Thinking Horizontally

Stop Cheating Our Children

Stop the Culture of Chronic Disease

Stop Abusing Our Planet

Stop the Revenge-Based Criminal Justice System

Stop Robbing the Taxpayer

Stop the Heat and Turn on the Light for Hot Issues
-Immigration and border security
-Gambling
-Sanctity of life
-Ownership of firearms

Stop the Loss of America’s Prestige at Home and Abroad

Stop Moving the Landmarks of Liberty
-Family
-Finance
-Folly
-Force
-Faith

Stop the Loss of Good Jobs and the Erosion of Agriculture

Stop Being a Selfish Citizen

“From Hope to Higher Ground: My Vision for Restoring America’s Greatness”
-by Mike Huckabee

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Stop evangelical racism and mormon racism.
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There are a whole lot of evangelicals (very stereotypical name) that are voting for Obama and Clinton and McCain also, not just supporting Huckabee.
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I don’t consider myself an “evangelical” jus a Christian thank you.
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The argument that you can’t legislate morality is weak.
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If the U.S. could not legislate morality then I guess murder would be ok. Or, stealing would be just fine. Or, how about rape, I guess if the U.S. didn’t legislate morality then that would be ok too. …NOT…
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I’m not telling you who to vote for but If you can’t legislate morality then the U.S. would quickly collapse into mass anarchy.

I did not say that Huckabee has said that he is God’s candidate but there have been some on these blogs that surely have stated such.

By the was Chris – I was going to say the same thing re: the legislation of morality. If we can’t legislate morality in any way then society as a whole is going to go down the drain quickly.

By linking morals to religion the left have found a way to ostrasize anybody that follows a religion and tries to work in the arena of politics saying that they cannot push their religion on others. Morals are not religion based only. Many are just common sense social norms that have eroded under this premise that they are guided by religion. It is sad as I watch us slip slowly towards a fallen society due to our “allowance” of things that are considered only to the conservatives to be moral no-nos.

As far as the original subject matter – I think it is sad that these people went this route. It is blatantly obvious that this is religious based hatred and nothing more. And we wonder why the conservative right gets ridiculed for professing such moral standards…….many can’t even follow the golden rule. (and don’t try to tell me that these people would want done to them what they are doing to a decent man).

I agree BSUALUM.

There are a lot of people in and surrounding politics that are “talking the talk, but not walking the walk.”

You are mistaking legislating morality and preserving rights. Legislating sexual preference can’t be done. It is also not taking away the rights of others. You can legislate murder, abortion, rape, as it hinders the rights of others. You start to get to a line of morality and rights when discussing weather or not homosexual couples can adopt as another life is involved. Just don’t misuse the term to argue your point.

…Homosexuals like me don’t want the government telling us what we can and cannot do,
or WHO we can or cannot ‘do’.

I am quite sure no one wants the government to tell them who they can or cannot do, as you have so crudely put. If those in power were racist and made it a law that races couldn’t intermingle would that be right if it were the moral majority. Government is about preserving rights not enforcing ideals. Just because someone is different isn’t a reason to force them to do what you want. God doesn’t force people, why should we. We do need to protect ourselves. That is why we have a government to enforce laws like murder, but not adultery. Some people choose to have “open marriages” others choose to be a bit more traditional. Neither can, not should they, force their views on others. If those in the U.S. could understand that, then we would all be a lot happier, with a lot less hate. If God is no respecter of persons, why should we be?

There’s no risk of me respecting you, pal, that’s for sure!

That is between you and God, doesn’t have any to do with me.
If anyone is stupid enough to think that i posted the link about me being homosexual, well, then they have proved their intelligence through that. If any believes they should hate someone because someone else is homosexual then I feel bad for them.

Holly,
Are you here?

I’m here.

This blog is long to refresh do you want to try another one?

Sure. Give me directions!

give me a min.

Okay.

Next one up, penn less for clinton.

Sorry I’m such a dunce, but I don’t know where you mean (i.e., I can’t find where you are).

Hey ac, it will not allow me to post there ,that must be the reason no one has posted…Give me another minute and check back here for directions.

Okay. Holly, how about the thread at the very bottom of the one we were on previously – it’s about Obama taking a vow of silence.

Okay go to Mccain and the money if you can’t find it, click on politics on the fox home page twice then it will show the blog spot, that’s how I get here..

Forcing homosexual behavior on others I believe is not a “right” that people should have.

I don’t hate people who label themselves “homosexual.”

I don’t believe allowing an innocent young boy or girl to be adopted by homosexual men or women is fair to that child.

Also, I believe redefining marriage will cause a collapse of the strong foundation of the family which in return has been proven to be a contributor to a collapse of a nation.

Here are just a few of many books, DVDs, and websites that make me believe this way:

Desires in Conflict: Hope for Men Who Struggle with Sexual Identity
By: Joe Dallas
http://www.joedallas.com/

“Restoring Sexual Identity: Hope for Women Who Struggle with Same-Sex Attraction
By: Anne Paulkike

Dark Obsession: The Tragedy and Threat of the Homosexual Lifestyle
Dailey, Timothy

The Homosexual Agenda: Exposing the Principal Threat to Religious Freedom Today
Sears, Alan and Osten, Craig

Marriage on Trial: The Case Against Same-Sex Marriage and Parenting
By: Glenn Stanton, Dr. Bill Maier

101 Frequently Asked Questions About Homosexuality
Mike Haley

Love Won Out
Testifying to God’s Grace
DVD

Minds Set Free,

I wasn’t condoning, or promoting, homosexual behavior. Nor was I trying to say that a sanctity of marriage act was inappropriate. I was using it as an example that legislating morality, and legislating to preserve rights are two different things. I believe we should have a sanctity of marriage act for the reason you stated. To stop the degradation of society. That doesn’t mean we should take away the rights of homosexual couples however. It is a rights question not a moral one, as moral compasses swing much differently depending on the person.

Sean sold out, that’s all. He could recover his integrity by doing what Paul Weyrich did. That took guts and humility.
It’s sad that many Romney supporters view non Romney supporters as anti-Mormon. Myself, I have Mormon friends. We agree on core values and issues and have wonderful relationships. Romney simply can’t be trusted on those core values and issues. And the evidence lies in the words spoken directly from his own mouth and documents signed by his own hand, as well as the appointees he chose and decisions he made while governor of Massachussets. Can’t get any clearer than that.
If Romney is on the McCain ticket, I sit this one out. Something I’ve never done in my life. A statement must be made by true conservatives. We have to get back to the Constitution of our founding fathers.
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. Itis wholly indadequate to the government of any other.” -John Adams

Nancy,

We get it, you don’t like Romney. But you don’t find it at all hypocritical that you would sit this out because he isn’t conservative enough in your opinion, but that would allow Clinton or Obama in who definitely don’t share your values.

Again- your words ring hollow.

We all know the words he spoke when running for office- but please give your concrete examples of documents signed by his own hand and his appointees and decisions that show he didn’t change his mind.

Then, since you are clearly a Huckabee supporter, please address all the issues I have raised in this blog and prove to me that Huckabee is a conservative.

If not, I will just chalk it up to your religious intolerance (anyone can say I have Mormon friends). And if you let Obama or Clinton who are know as pro-gay and pro-abortion, then you are a hypocrite who will have to stand before your maker and justify your actions.

Dean, how are you doing? Long time no see. I am not going to get in a shooting match with you. We tried that before and it went nowhere. I probably made some remarks to Ike, that as a christian I should not have made. I am more concerned about moral issues, family values, constitutional rights, and I dont want to be taxed to death either! I want a strong defense! I will in the next few minutes try to show my thoughts and feelings as to why I support Mike Huckabee and do not support Mitt Romney. First I would like to say Ike I am sure you have plenty of cranium power and since that is a gift from GOD anyway I should not boast about it or cut any one down either. I apoligize! Now let me say first that given ample time all who read this can get on the net and find any number of people and statistics to back up our own way of thinking! That being said, I did find an article that showed Ark. as #8 in the way that they teach thier students, in fairness Mass. was #2. Niether of which says truckloads about the governors. I found another that showed Ark. kids had a 3.7 grade average to Mass. 3.11 in school year 2006-2007 sat tests. The first is at princeton review.com and the second was at collegeboard.com. These are not exact locations as I am somewhat computer illiterat, my wife has not shown me how to paste yet, if you dig I know you can find it. Having said this I am not sure how much bearing this has on the men as governors. We can go through each and every issue and dig up as many articles as can be imagined, some good for our candidates some bad. Here is what I believe and is what I vote for.#1 Very strong pro life I believe M.H. is my man for this, I at the same time have heard M.R. talk out of both sides of his mouth on this issue and therefore do not trust him.#2 Pro family and also believe M.H. has proven himself on this issue as I have also heard M.R. stand on both sides of this issue, and by saying “heard” I mean with my ears. #3 I am almost as equally concerned about the 2nd amendment, while there has never been any doubt as to M.H.s stand M.R. as gov. had a B rating with the NRA and only after running for pres. did he become a lifetime member,also supported the brady bill which I vehemently oppose! #4 I want a strong defense M.H. has said all along he wants to go back to the percentage of spending that we had under Reagan honestly I have never heard M.R. say anything that would lead me to believe he would be weak on defense so I will concede a tie. #5 My money, this subject is very interesting as I have read articles claiming M.H. is not to be trusted, judicial watch, of whom I have 2 problems, the 1st being that thier source of information is a watch dog group set up by Clinton dems. the 2nd being that about half the politicians in the country have thier names somewhere inside judicial watch, and did I mention the 3rd is that they are all lawyers. I have also read that the big dig is a disaster that according to the Wall Street Journal the health care plan was found dead on arrival, that M.R. hurt business by closing the corporate loophole,and that M.R. raised fees a substantial amount,and back to M.H. that he taxed the people of Ark. into oblivian. Fiscally I dont see where either was a shining light in a sea of darkness. I cant say for M.R. but can for M.H. that he did travel to many countries trying to get buyers for farmers and business men in his state. It comes down to who you believe will do the best job for us. As far as the economy goes it reminds me of all the union people I used to work with that would continually say how great Bill Clinton was for the economy, and when you would ask them what he did they would look at you with a blank stare, unless the pres. cuts taxes in times of financial stress there is little he can do to help the economy. When it comes to my core issues I wont budge! I dont want to guess what my pres. will do I want to know! And fellas cut dust a little slack at least he cares about what is going on! Many people today dont. Dean as always its been a pleasure and once again I apologize to both you and Ike as it is easy to get caught up in the argument and let smartass remarks fly. I probably wont respond but will await your reply.

Vince-

I too no longer wish to do battle. There are more important things in life.

1) I will simply say that I posted the links with SAT scores in my
Comment by Dean
April 9th, 2008 at 12:28 am

post. They do not match your #3, but they are high. And it also said that only 5% of AR students took the SAT, so it is not very representative.

2) You and Dust both mix numbers from different surveys that use different methodologies, and it doesn’t work that way.

3) I showed in previous posts the state of the state after 10.5 years of Huckabee and it was not pretty.

You and Dust will say Romney is not conservative, I will say that Huckabee is not.

However, and this is the key, we all three (four if I throw in Ike if he comes back) need to do what we can to get our version of a conservative on the ticket. But whomever makes it, we must support the republican party, even if we are holding our noses, because two years of either Clinton or Obama with a Democratically controlled Congress will do more damage to this country and could take decades to fix.

I do appreciate yours and Dust’s involvement and interest. Let’s agree to disagree- but we had better come together in the end or we will all look very silly without noses. I too apologize for my name calling and remarks.

But what I won’t stand for is blatant hypcrisy (not saying you or Dust) and this anti-Mormon bigotry as a reason to not support Romney. If he is chosen by McCain, I ask you to support the ticket, just as I said I will support a McCain/Huckabee ticket.

But that doesn’t mean that we can’t work right now to get it to be the one we want or that we don’t keep the pressure on McCain to be more conservative.

Peace (the good kind, not the ’60s hippie kind)!

Dean and Vince, its very sweet that you have kissed and made-up, but I am not convinced that I will vote for John McCain for president. I am convinced that I will not vote for Mike Huckabee for anything. Huckabee has shown himself to be the enemy of my religion; what could possibly make me put him a heart-beat away from being the most powerful man in the world? McCain used Huckabee to incite the ignorant bigots who hate my religion (distinguishing Huckabee supporters from Evangelicals, half of whom did not vote for the man) to get rid of the candidate I thought was the most competent. In spite of McCain’s use of Huckabee in this manner, and flying in the face of reason and prudent behavior, I am willing to consider voting for McCain if he can satisfy me that he will not hurt me because of my religion. (Before I can consider how the next president may impact others, I have to consider how he or she may impact me.) In the mean time I remain undecided.

Mittobots

Point well taken. I don’t like McCain. I don’t like Huckabee. Even if McCain were to pick Romney for VP, I would be voting for the lesser of two evils and not for someone. He may be old, but I am not going to hold out hope that his term would be short- that would just be unChristian. (I’ll let Huckabee fans pray for that kind of miracle.)

I have said before, I am torn about whether Romney should even accept if asked as I disagree with too many of McCain’s positions- and the pres not VP calls the shots.

But I know I don’t agree with a single position of Obama. That guy scares the daylights out of me.

Two Studies Find Depression Widespread in Utah
Study Calling Utah Most Depressed, Renews Debate on Root Causes

By RUSSELL GOLDMAN
March 7, 2008

From ABC News:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/story?id=4403731&page=1

Depression runs rampant in Utah? Of course, it does!
You’d be depressed too if you belonged to a religion that doesn’t allow you to have a Coca Cola!
You also have to wear this nasty, magic underwear complete with sacred markings.
Of course, I guess it’ll all be worthwhile when I become god!

I truly don’t understand how truly social conservatives can support Romney. I have heard him in his own words say he would never support Roe v Wade. I have researched and found every piece of credible documentation and it’s all there. His “epiphony” is well timed and seems very opportunistic.

With regards to supporting homosexual civil unions ( you can’t call that a marriage as that involves a husband and wife) I have read documents with his handwritten signature supporting the homosexual political agenda. All within the last 4 or 5 yrs. He has done nothing to slow the momentum down in Massachussetts, but in fact, helped it along. Now he supports a Constitutional marriage amendment?

And as far as business goes, he’s not exactly what you’d call a self made man. When you have gobs of capitol to start with, it’s not all that difficult to make more money with it. So I’m not even all that sure about his true business acumen. I’m sure it’s adequate or better, but he’s done no better than others have done.

If people want sites listed, just ask and I’ll be glad to supply them.

I want someone that is consistently proven to be a social conservative and knows how to get the biggest bang for their buck.

Romney was my first choice until I completed all my research. Then I bailed and got on the Huckabee train.

Nancy,
Yesterday you made a comment that Mitt supporters believed anti Mitt people were Mormon haters. You may not be, and I appreciate that. However, if you read the many comments from this blog and so many others bashing the Mormons, you will understand why we feel the majority of anti Mitt people hate him because of his religion.
Take that idiot Shelby, for instance. This person has written anti Mormon comments on every blog even if it has nothing to do with Mitt Romney. He is absolutely pathetic and gives “Christians” a bad name.
Also, look at the Mitt4Goob blogger. Another disgusting human being who knows very little about the Mormon religion but chooses to criticize and make remarks that are untrue and distorted.
These have just been a very few bloggers over the last several months that turn political conversation into a nasty religious witch hunt.
So now you know why Mitt supporters feel this way, Nancy.

Dean,

I’m sure Romney is a very likeable person. I have a lot of respect for him. I just don’t feel he’d be a the best choice for president or vp, any more than I feel like McCain is the best choice. I left a couple of posts just prior to this one and maybe that explains it better.

And to those that feel that not voting won’t help, I don’t know if that’s so or not. Maybe things need to get worse before people will want better. I don’t trust McCain, any more than I do Clinton or Obama. Unless McCain picks a truly conservative running mate, I will prob. sit this one out. If McCain thinks my values are unimportant, why would I choose him? Henceforth, his choice in a vp will make all the difference in the world this year.

Jordan,
I think those people are pathetic. They are rude, inconsiderate and ignorant. Not to mention annoying. The sad thing is that these types of people don’t have sense enough to be ashamed or embarrassed for making an ass of themselves.

Check this site out. We need someone to be the standard bearer of conservatism.

massresistance.org/docs/marriage/romney/record

Thank You!!!

My pleasure.

Nancy,

I know exactly where you are coming from. The social issues are the reason it took me months to come over to the Romney camp.

I had investigated Huckabee extensively, but as you can see from all my posts above, I disagree with him on too many other issues. My biggest complaint is that with his ‘convert them all’ attitude, he is unelectable in this country. The second big one is that as my posts show (and even Dust almost admitted this when saying Huckabee didn’t attack education until he had been in office for 7 years) he is NOT a LEADER. He basically followed the democrat controlled legislature and never took them on. He would get wiped up in DC.

Romney faced an even more liberal legislature and what is arguably the most liberal supreme court in the nation. That doesn’t excuse much of what he did- but it does put it in context. He was, however, able to get through some of what he wanted as shown by the huge budget cuts his first year.

So while I support you in your values and stance- I disagree with the sit it out mentality for two basic reasons.

1) I am leery, but I do believe Romney has changed. He has stated his reasons before and has stated his principals now. And frankly, they are in line with how I once was and where I am now. If we don’t allow people to change (in the direction we want them to), then we exclude too many people from our cause- me, Ronald Reagan, GHW Bush, and now Romney. But, that should not be enough for you to vote for him and to stop trying to get a more conservative person in the whitehouse.

2) Only a couple months ago, right after Romney suspended, I too was saying I would vote for the Dem or sit it out because we need the Republican Party to get back to their roots and how they were for the 1994 revolution. However, either of the Dems with a Dem Congress would do so much damage in two years that it no longer is an option for me.

If we look at the Supreme Court- which is the only thing that matters these days for abortion or gay marriage (nothing Congress or the President can do will matter, including trying to get a Constitutional Amendment through- which won’t happen because you need 2/3 vote of Congress and the states to ratify so it is a fairy tale to believe that salvation will come that way- if we don’t get a more conservative court that will overturn Roe) what do we see:

John Paul Stevens will turn 88 next week. Appointed by Ford, but sides on the left wing all the time.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg (appointed by Clinton) is 75.
Breyer (appointed by Clinton) is 69.
Souter (appointed by GHW Bush but was instrumental in preserving Roe v. Wade) is 68.
Kennedy (appointed by Reagan but instrumental in preserving Roe v. Wade) is 71.

So, these five make up the ones that would decide any new abortion or gay related cases. With Dems in the whitehouse and controlling the Senate- odds are that Stevens and Ginsburg would retire and be replaced with similar minded justices.

Heaven forbid that anything happen to Roberts (53), Scalia (72), Thomas (59) or Alito (58) that would push the court severly to the left with Obama or Clinton making the appointments.

One lesson to learn from all this is that Republicans need to do a much better job of knowing how their appointees will judge as three Republican appointees have been disasters.

But if you think that Huckabee could nominate a fellow evangelical to be on the SC, think again. That would get held up by the Dems forever.

So you need someone who can work with Congress and still get the type of person we want.

I conclude by saying again- I applaud you for your stand. I just think you need to be a bit more practical than to just sit it out. I will vote McCain (even though I can’t stand him) and his nominee (even if Huckabee) because this is just too important. You might not agree with Romney or McCain, but the alternative is too dangerous.

But never stop fighting in the future. Stay involved. Get more like-minded Republicans in Congress. We have to play with the cards we are dealt- but we can try to make the next hand better. And who knows, if Romney really has changed, you just might like him.

Mittbots4Goob I believe is a Democrat imposter trying to stir up dissension here.
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Mittbots4Gooby….LOL!!!

I need to correct myself on something and then I will never look at blogs again. I posted earlier that Huck started reforming education about 2002. When I posted it, It was in a hurry and needed to read the full story. I actually started it much earlier. He started with Start step(or something like that). the 2002 deal was when he reformed the funding to education. Sorry about this mistake.

Yes, I agree, The U.S. government is not God.

I’m not for Mitt for VP.

Also, I do not hate people who practice Mormonism and I do not hate Mitt.

Chris – I’m glad you don’t hate Mitt or Mormons. If you can articulate your position on why you don’t want the most capable people available to serve you in the highest capacities, I will not demean you like I would a Huckabee cultist. If you can’t articulate your position, I must assume you don’t have a rational basis for it and must assume the worst of you. I give you that there may be a rational basis for not wanting Mitt as VP, but I haven’t heard it yet.

ICMP and Mittbots4Goob 4/13 3:23 – Did you actually read that article? Who writes this mindless drivel and how can they have the temerity to want us to believe that they are keeping us informed? Are you capable of independent thought? Have you even a rudimentary understanding of statistical analysis? Can you look at a culture that is even slightly different from your own without being biased against it? If you read it, which I doubt, read it again! If you can’t find at least three fundamental flaws in it, you are stupider than I give you credit for!

Stephen Colbert for McCain’s VP….LOL!!!

“For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, and forfeit his soul?
For what will a man give in exhange for his soul?”

Great quote MSF

I take that as-

If you attempt to “gain the whole world”, that is waiting for the Republican Party to get back to its roots by ‘forfeiting your soul’ (allowing Clinton or Obama in who are clearly pro-abortion and pro-gay), then it profiteth you nothing.

In other words, Romney or Huckabee supporters who forfeit their souls because their candidate didn’t get in and thus allow the Dems to run amok, will lose in their attempt to gain the whole world. Why, because it is shear hypocrisy to allow a president in who we know will violate the social principles we care about.

I’d like to know what your interpretation is.

The fact of the matter is that we are indeed voting for the lesser of two evils this go around- but you have one side who is openly pro-abortion and pro-gay and you have the other side that used to be but claims to have changed. It is un-Christian to not forgive. Therefore, people with strong moral values who would refuse to vote for a McCain/Romney ticket are nothing more than hypocrites because the alternative is clearly against what you stand for. (Notice though that I have never said to stop fighting for your ideals- but we can’t change the fact that McCain won and once the decision is made, we can’t change who his VP will be.)

The fact of the matter is that neither will be chosen as VP. Huckabee does not have nationwide appeal and is in fact a negative almost everywhere outside of the Bible Belt. He can’t raise money for himself, let alone the party. And he has done nothing to help since he dropped out- other than letting his supporters run an anti-Romney ad.

Romney is doing everything he can to help, and in my opinion deserves the VP slot. But I think I would rather he run in 2012 without the baggage of being with McCain. But the hatchet job being done by the media on this whole FLDS thing (amazing that the raid happens just days after McCain and Romney are fundraising together) is meant to discredit Romney and has worked.

It shouldn’t. The FLDS are no more LDS than Anglicans are Roman Catholics. They had a common start and thus a lot of common theology, but one group split off from the other long ago because they didn’t like what the “mother group” was doing. (Actually, in both cases it’s because they wanted to do something the original church didn’t allow). A scandal in the Anglican church has no more bearing on Catholics than FLDS does with LDS- but you don’t see that in the press.

Again, I would like to know your interpretation.

After watching Romney in the debates here were a couple of things that came to my mind.

Here is a man who loves and cares about his country.

But, what I saw was arrogance coming from Mitt that would not help overcome the divisiveness in Congress.

And, I didn’t like the fact that Romney was relying too much on attack adds and a lot of money to win the primaries.

I do not intend to vote for a ticket that includes someone deceived by a cult. It speaks to poor discernment, on Romney’s part.

If Romney cannot get the most important things right, how could we possibly trust him to lead the country?

It’s not happening.

Good point, Savvyconsumer!

Savvy, what cult do you belong to? Cults, I’m told, discourage independent thinking. Mitt Romney graduated first in his undergraduate class and subsequently received an MBA/JD from Harvard. Mitt Romney ran a successful private equity company. Mitt Romney took the Salt Lake City Olympic Games from a controversy and failure and made them a success. Mitt Romney was elected governor of a populous, well educated state and did a good job. How does your candidate compare to him in judgment and accomplishment? If you can show me evidence that your candidate is exceeds Mitt Romney in terms of accomplishment, judgment, education, ability to execute, integrity…PICK ONE!!! ANY OF THEM!!! SHOW ME EVIDENCE THAT YOUR CANDIDATE CAN PERFORM BETTER THAN A RETARDED APE WHEN COMPARED TO MITT ROMNEY!!! And if you can do this without mentioning religion once, I will never post here again.

The rules for submitting evidence:
1) You may not use the opinions of others. (Independent thinking is required to distinguish you
from a cult member.)
2) All facts submitted must be linked to reputable sources not Mike Huckabee’s website,
Pastors4Huckabee, etc.). (Also to distinguish you from a cult member.)

No matter what the political idiots of our time spew over the media networks, I can only say that there are very few of us left that remember Thomas Dewey. The midnight newspaper extras filled their front page with news that Dewey had won and Truman was out! I remember who won. The cross-over vote trumpetted victory for Harry Truman!

Now we may be about to witness another flood of cross-over votes that will happen as responsible voters carefully cast their vote for the next President of the United States, John McCain. The addition of Mitt Romney to the Republican ticket is probable, since I believe that secretly, if elected, John McCain won’t run for a second term. That leaves Romney being set up to run in four years for the Presidency. I further beleve the strategy was decided, back when Mitt Romney stepped down from his bid for the nomination, throwing his support graciously to McCain. Remember?

What ever became of Thomas Dewey anyway?

Respectfully,

Robert A. Redden
bobredden@verizon.net

Romney is NOT a fiscal conservative.

Stop with the lies already.

He opposed the Bush Tax Cuts.

He raised taxes (he called them “fees”) in Massachusetts by $900 million devestating the economy.

He instituted a failed socialist healthcare plan on his way out the door that was endorsed by Hillary, Teddy K, and Planned Parenthood that included a $50 co-pay for an abortion.

The claim that Romney is an “economic conservative” is a total lie perpetuated by guys like Hannity who are bought and paid for and who don’t bother to do their homework. What do you expect from a guy who barely graduated high school and never went to college (hannity)?

Gregg,

Go read some of my posts. You make up numbers worse than Dust did-at least he had a link or two to back up his $700M claim. (Prove your $900M number). Look at the spending cuts he instituted. The percentage of taxes raised was far less than what your man Huckabee did.

You ignorant followers of his are so stupid you actually think Huckabee was a fiscal conservative. And you think that AR is a great place to live.

The only person that called him that was Dick Morris- you know, the same guy that was one of the Clinton’s main guys, is pro-Obama, worked for Odinga.

Go be a bigot elsewhere or at least try to do your homework and prove your idiotic claims.

The problem with BOTH political parties are that BOTH are run by an elitist group and the “common man” in America has nothing in common with and has to choose the lesser of two evils which ever side of the conservative/liberal line. The Democrats are run by elitists who think of themselves as worldly academics and spout socialists views of the type common in Europe. They promote ideals and morals lower than the common alley cat. Their “dreamy” ideals of a perfect “Communist State”
are stupid when the cold world of practically hits them in the face.

The Republican elitists are the “country club” set..I swear I can picture old “Thurston Howell III” at a Republican Party gathering, with his ditsy wife, discussing who’s turn at the “Club” is it to run for President..Remember Dole??….The Republican Party is incapable of finding a decent candidate and just happened to luck out with a conservative actor coming after the worst President in this century.
While their followers may be the “true patriotic Americans” of the Heartland, the party is incapable of doing anything with the power that’s given them. The Republican Party likes being the minority party.

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