Blacks4Barack Announces:
The ‘WE WILL NOT BE CHEATED’
Phone Campaign To DNC !

Realistically speaking, it is a fact that even if Hillary wins Pennsylvania there is absolutely no way she can get enough delegate votes to defeat Obama and win the Democratic nomination. WE CAN’T LET HAPPEN IN PA…..AS DID IN OHIO !

In Ohio’s election, 15 of the polling locations in Cleveland ran short of ballots. It just so happened that all 15 of these locations were in the black community. Once the shortage was ‘discovered’ (at 7:15 pm….after polling locations had closed) it was ordered by a regional judge to keep polling places open longer….actually until 9pm. Problem was that the workers at the locations had already closed up and gone home…..so the locations were not re-opened. Although there is a supposed investigation taking place, we want everyone to take note that these cheating tactics will not be tolerated ! If ANY cheating occurs in this Pa. election, we must DEMAND that legal actions be taken and the facts (culprits) revealed.

Hillary Clinton’s coniving tactics will end up ruining the Democratic Party. Now is the time to let Howard Dean, Donna Brazil, Harold Ickes (both members of the DNC Laws & Bylaws Committee)and the entire DNC know that if Hillary wins through ANY methods deemed trickery (which is the only way she can win the nomination) WE….THE PEOPLE WILL NOT SUPPORT HER IN THE GENERAL ELECTION !
We are asking EVERYONE to call the DNC at 202-863-8000 to let them know ‘We Will Not Support A Cheater !

We need 50 thousand Americans of all ages, races and creeds to FLOOD THE PHONES !!! Call Today !!!! 202-863-8000. Say It Loud….WE WILL NOT SUPPORT A CHEATER…..PERIOD!!! Tell everyone you know to make this call. The Time Is NOW….for the Re-Birth of America !!!!

NOTE: The Media refuses to inform America that OBAMA WON TEXAS…..Pitiful !!!!!

Visit: http://www.Blacks4Barack.org
(A Multi-Racial Organization….Dedicated To Truth !)

Um, seems like your boy Obama has a problem with the truth himself.

Clinton and Obama are politically the same. The only, and I mean the only reason you’d vote for Obama is because he’s half black. Or is that all black. Ya’ll can’t ever really decide on anything can you? Can’t even communicate enough to run a polling place.

Idiots.

Obama da man gunnuh win den i duznt haf tuh axually go up to da offis to gets my werfare check

Black man gunnah pay me fo nuthin jes likes duh white man do fo all deez yeas

i be lazy lard i be lazy Mmm!

How can an Organization called Blacks4Barack be considered a multi-racial organization? Hillary Clinton has nothing to do with the number of ballots at the polling stations. Sounds like a high school football team, claiming the referee`s cheated, after they got beat.

Go ahead idiot black Americans. Vote in your “boy”.

Holy war will be so much easier then.

RC Mo. -

Not to worry. the democrat plan of eliminating itself through mutually assured destruction is well under way.

Subject: In just one year

Part 1

In just one year. Remember the election in 2006?
Thought you might like to read the following:
A little over one year ago:

1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.

Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:

1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.

America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!

Remember it’s Congress that makes law not the President. He has to work with what’s handed to him.

Part 2:

Taxes…Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics enlightening and amazing.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html

Taxes under Clinton 1999 Taxes under Bush 2008
Single making 30K – tax $8,400 Single making 30K – tax $4,500
Single making 50K – tax $14,000 Single making 50K – tax $12,500
Single making 75K – tax $23,250 Single making 75K – tax $18,750
Married making 60K – tax $16,800 Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K – tax $21,000 Married making 75K – tax $18,750
Married making 125K – tax $38,750 Married making 125K – tax $31,250

It is amazing how many people that fall into the categories above think Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever. If Obama or Hillary are elected, they both say they will repeal the Bush tax cuts and a good portion of the people that fall into the categories above can’t wait for it to happen. This is like the movie The Sting with Paul Newman; you scam somebody out of some money and they don’t even know what happened.

Obama and Clinton are socialists, but won’t admit it or they’d be relegated to the political trash heap like Bernie Sanders.

You want change from Obama? You’ll get it – higher taxes and more of them, too. Everytime a tax is raised or levied your liberty is decremented as well.

You want experience from Clinton? You’ll get it – she’s well versed in pushing more nanny state government programs that require higher taxes and more of them. Same net effect as Obama.

These two have the same political ideology. The only discriminating factor between them is sex and skin color.

I’m appalled by Americans’ susceptibility to the “false prophets” from the liberal left.

The media doesn’t report that BHO won Texas because he didn’t..he won the Cacus..not the primary they are separate.

Exclusive from Newmax

This is what BHO has to look forward to in the General…The Truth About Obama will come out.

http://election.newsmax.com/ncf_obama/

McCain will win if BHO is the nominee.

Make Iran Glow -

Good points all. Unfortunately, the Obama acolytes are locked on color, not reason. The Clinton acolytes are liberal loons as well. Facts and traditional American values are irrelevant to them.

Thanks for the report Carl. McCain will be just fine because Hillary has done alot of scratching. Obama is broken and can never be put back together again! Sean just has to keep on the Rev. Wright/weather underground thing!

goodtimepolitics -

I sure don’t want to know where she’s been scratching.

ROTFLMAO

I just called Howard Dean’s office and told them..if BHO is the nominee I will vote for John MCCain

Call Today !!!! 202-863-8000

Greg Jones

If 15 districts in a black community were shorted ballots, why do you feel it is Hillary’s doing? I would think that those 15 districts probably have many blacks that are leading or working the polling booths. Isn’t 90% of the black population voting for Obama? You must be saying that all the blacks that are involved with setting up the polling places in these 15 districts all Hillary supporters? Sounds pretty flimsy to me.

There was no doubt Obama would take Philadelphia – but that he also had the potential to win Pennsylvania. The increased registration for the Democratic Party. There’re also the demographics, which suggest that Obama does not need to take all or even most of the state’s 67 counties, but rather must concentrate his winnings in but 14 of them. That’s what Ed Rendell did to become governor.
from the
The Phil. Enquirer

will see what happens

EMERGENCY NEWS ALERT !!!!!!!!!

OBAMA’S NAME NOT ON PA. BALLOTS !!!!!!!!

Visit: Blacks4Barack.org to see actual ballot….SPREAD THE WORD NOW !!! THIS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED !!!!!!!!!

Visit: Blacks4Barack.org
(A Multi-Racial Organization Dedicated To Truth)

PLEASE STOP WHAT YOU’RE DOING……SEND THIS EVERYWHERE !!!!!!!!!!

Greg Jones

Is the sky really falling?

I’M HYSTERICAL! OMG! WE BLACKS CAN’T DO ANYTHING RIGHT – NOT EVEN PRINT BALLOTS! OMG!
IT’S WHITEY’S FAULT! IT HAS TO BE! OMG! I’M HYSTERICAL!

Greg Jones

Could it be that you have Michigan mixed up with Pennsylvania? Perhaps Obama wanted his name removed here as well.

MIG
Quite a feast to assemble a list of halve truths, distortations and phantom ideas of reality.

The nation’s job market appears solidly in recession, as payrolls contracted for the third month in a row, and unemployment jumped up from 4.8% to 5.1%, the highest jobless rate since September 2005, according to the report released today by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Payrolls were down by 80,000 in March, the largest loss in five years, while January and February’s initially reported losses were revised downward by an additional 67,000 jobs.

Actually it gets more complicated, since the unemployment rate is still fairly low, but is it..
five indicators of problems in the current labor market.
1 a marked slowdown in employment growth
2 wage growth has slowed
3 unemployment is at relatively high levels among high-risk groups
4Long-term unemployment is currently quite high
5Seven states have unemployment rates over 6%

If the labor market problems are so bad, why is the overall unemployment rate so low?
Most importantly is the shifting age distribution of the civilian labor force. As the baby boom generation has aged, the share of workers in older age groups has steadily grown, while the share in younger age groups has fallen. This has the effect of lowering the overall unemployment rate because older workers tend to have lower unemployment rates.
Furthermore;
Unemployment rates and employment changes are lagging indicators of an economic slowdown. Unemployment rates are typically low at the point a recession begins. They rise during a recession and often peak after a recession has ended. Hence, unemployment rates are NOT a good indicator of whether an economy has entered a recession

a note of caution:If one expands the labor force to include marginally attached workers, and looks at the share who report themselves as either unemployed, marginally attached, or involuntarily working part-time, this is 9% of the labor force in January 2008

ari, arie, or whatever you’re going by today -

I sincerely hope Senator Obama is selected as the Democrat (Socialist) nomination.

His nomination will ensure a Republican (American Capitalist) landslide on 4 Nov 08.

about an hour to go

OMG! I MEANT PENNSYLVANIA! THAT’S NEXT TO SOUTH CAROLINA RIGHT? OMG! ARI HELP ME!
OMG! YES WE CAN CHANGE! I MEAN CHANGE WE CAN LIVE WITH! I MEAN OMG! TELL EVERYONE! ON THE MOUNTAIN! OMG!

They did a poll, asked voters how important electability was, less than 1% said it was important, and that the issues were more important, well I have news for all you morons, If they cant beat there rival in the general, then it doesn’t matter what there views on the issues are. They must have asked all Obuma supporters.

JD -

Confetti is ready.

This is a lock.

Hey, Lets all go to http://www.whites4hillary.org and see how they like it!!!

Nah….Just kidding!! But…What if??

Francine said:

“Obama and Clinton are socialists, but won’t admit it or they’d be relegated to the political trash heap like Bernie Sanders.

You want change from Obama? You’ll get it – higher taxes and more of them, too. Everytime a tax is raised or levied your liberty is decremented as well.

You want experience from Clinton? You’ll get it – she’s well versed in pushing more nanny state government programs that require higher taxes and more of them. Same net effect as Obama.

These two have the same political ideology. The only discriminating factor between them is sex and skin color.
_________________________________________________________________________________

That about sums it up. When Obama locks this down in 65 minutes or so, you’ll see an exodus from the Democrat Party like you’ve never seen before – unless you were around to vote in 1980 like I was.

So Davis…You agree that wont be the case if Hillary is nominated?

OOPs..DAVID

OMG..LOL, I mean BRIAN!!!

Obama will need to beef up about 20 pounds cause the Republicans are going to wear him out … If by miracle Hillary wins the nomination … uhhhh, no beefing up required.

http://whatsmybeef.wordpress.com/

Arie there is one thing you always leave out in your employment / tax info that may be important in influencing numbers. Illegal immigration. Here is just a little info.
29% (630,000) of the inmates in all state and federal prisons are illegal aliens—at a cost of $1.6 billion annually.More than 380,000 “anchor babies” born in the United States in 2005 were to parents who are illegal aliens; making those 380,000 babies automatically U.S. citizens. 97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayer.12 Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens. (that’s more than 21,900 murders by illegal aliens since September 11, 2001).More than 43% of all Food Stamps issued are to illegal aliens.
More than 41% of all unemployment checks issued in the United States are to illegal aliens.
Hospitals in California cannot shoulder the $500 million in extra costs of providing basic healthcare to illegal aliens. This situation has other ramifications. When hospitals close, this financial burden merely gets shifted to the hospitals that have managed to stay afloat. Eventually, they will succumb as well, denying even more people access to timely healthcare and driving medical costs even higher.In response to this growing crisis Congress this year set aside $1 billion to reimburse healthcare providers for the cost of treating illegal aliens. The states receiving the highest amounts in 2005 are California, with $70.8 million; Texas, $46 million; Arizona, $45 million; and New York, $12.25 million. These amounts are miserly, considering the magnitude of the crisis and the fact that the $1 billion is to be distributed over a four-year period. Illegal aliens take Americans Jobs. Raise Healthcare costs etc……………………………………………………

Do people here actually think McCain would be a good president?

Capital Gains Tax Rates is aslo less clear cut in relationship to economy :maybe time to overhaul the whole tax code.
http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=3856&type=0
congressional buget office
Because taxes are paid on realized rather than accrued capital gains, taxpayers have a great deal of control over when they pay their capital gains taxes. By choosing to hold on to an asset, a taxpayer defers the tax. The incentive to do that–even when it might otherwise be financially desirable to sell an asset–is known as the lock-in effect. As a consequence of that incentive, the level of the tax rate can substantially influence when asset holders realize their gains, as can be seen particularly clearly when tax rates change (see Figure 2). For instance, the Tax Reform Act of 1986 boosted capital gains tax rates effective at the beginning of 1987. Anticipating that increase, investors realized a huge amount of gains in 1986. Then, in 1987, realizations fell by almost as much, returning to a level comparable to that before the tax increase.

Patty NJ -

Yes. The general election would at least be a contest, if Senator Clinton were the Democrat nominee.

But that’s the beautiful irony. The arrogance of the Clintons early on, got them and their party into this predicament.

Barry and Michelle don’t have enough top cover to keep their wacko platform and dubious connection s from complete exposure. Neither of them can control their yaps anyway. American public isn’t going for that nonsense.

M Period -

That’s not the question. The question is, which of the nominees will do the least damage?

Brian, (and whoever else says Obama can’t win the nomination)

Why is he ahead of Clinton in all nation polls, and ahead of McCain in a fair share of them.

http://election.msn.com/?GT1=34123

vote wha ran a honorable campaign

obama is ahead ,,

pls go ,,,vote

What damage would Obama do that Clinton wouldn’t…policy wise they’re almost the same

arie or whatever -

Most voters don’t have consideration for the tax matters you bring up here.

They’re interested in what’s coming out of the check every other Friday.

I’m tired of you blowing smoke up everyone’s butt here with pirated info from elsewhere, and not attributing it to the rightful author.

How ’bout a nice bowl of shut the F up.

EMEGENCY ALERT!!!!!
McCain’s name not on ballot in PA today!
Log on to http://www.crackersformccain.com for more info

M Period -

The polls you cite are irrelevant, for the simple and obvious fact that they are popular vote polls that do not (nor could they) account for the electoral vote.

Here’s a news flash for you. This is not a pure democracy, and thank God it’s not. It’s a representative republic with a democratic form of government.

Geesh! Our education system really blows.

goat boy from Africa -

you’re okay.

Make me laugh, goat dude.

Brian,

If you discount the polls, what evidence are you using that makes you think Clinton has an advantage?

M Period -

Given the nearly identical liberal socialist political ideologies of Sens Obama and Clinton – let’s call it a draw.

Match either one of them against McCain, and ask yourself one question:

“Which of these two individuals is more closely aligned with the US Constitution as designed and intended?”

You’ll have determined the best candidate (in this particular election year) for President of the United States.

Comment by goatboy from africa
April 22nd, 2008 at 7:17 p
____________________________________
I’ve been waiting for your comment on the
Barrack’s breakfast blog

Comment by MUSLIM GIRL WHO KNOWS WHAT MUSLIMS THINK OF US AMERICANS
April 22nd, 2008 at 7:11 pm
http://election.msn.com/?GT1=34123

vote wha ran a honorable campaign

obama is ahead ,,

———————-
MUSLIM GIRL WHO KNOWS WHAT MUSLIMS THINK OF US AMERICANS

Why do you have to use this for your blog name instead of using a “name”?

So you think Americans really care what muslims think ? Americans have to be sensitive to what muslims thinks?
HOW ABOUT WHAT MUSLIMS THINK ABOUT MUSLIMS THEMSELVES???

KILLING EACH OTHER IN IRAQ AND ELSE WHERE
BEHEADING THE INNOCENT
BLOWING UP EACH OTHER

No wonder you are for Hussein obama!!

M Period -

The mere fact that Obama couldn’t win his own party’s support in the essential democrat states of California, New York, Ohio, and Texas.

Out of the most failed Senate in history, in terms of approval ratings, Why is it that the only people running for President of the U.S.of A., are from that Senate, three of them?? Personally, I can’t think of three less qualified. The most qualified, dropped out. What is up with that, America? I’ve asked this question a lot lately,(six Months), and get ignored. I believe that this question needs a lot of study, or are we just down the tube? It has been suggested that the Dems get a third candidate and fast, Republicans should do the same!

MUSLIM GIRL -

We don’t give a fat pig’s rear end what the muslims think. They’re savages.

Eat more bacon.

I think McCain would be ok, but may not vote for him now just because of all the Rep. that switched to Dem. to screw things up, that is just wrong. but they need to think about this, what if he get the nomination because of them, then beats McCain. now they have to live with this extreme left arrogant a-hole.

I have to laugh at the way Rendall is spinning this. He was just on Harball. Thinks these new repubs that signed up dem for Hillary will stay there if Ob wins. har har. They will go back in the general. How come these spinners think we bleive what they say. Some kind of pop phsycology or something?
We won’t know until tomorrow which one won today I bet. Don’t matter. They are both losers.
If a candidate doesn’t use all the donated money where does it go.? to Who? Supers for their election campaigns? Does candidate get to choose who he would give it too? Do you think that would influence a super?
If the dims had a nominating process like the repubs, Hillary would already have it sown up. I guess their tricky nominating process has turned to bite them in the butt.
Ob won’t go to the next debate. cancelled. wimp.
McCain 08

Obama hates kickball. Too rough.

Brian,

What are McCain’s policies for this week? They change almost weekly. Do you really agree with his economic policy? Do you even know what it is? Obama is going to wrap up the nomination maybe tonight, more than likely in a few weeks. Its really time for people to start actually taking a look at McCain. His policies are horrible, half the time he gives a speech it seems like he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He misquotes facts on almost a daily basis, other than talking about being a prisoner of war, he really is yet to talk about anything that isn’t almost immediately laughed away. Its why even right-leaning fox news really doesn’t give McCain much press time they’ve even tried to push him out of the limelight.

M Period Do you know who Zbigniew Brzezineki is?

M Period -

Dude you’re wearing on my nerves.

You got anything to say in support of your fag candidates or as a liberal are you intellectually confined to asking questions and making negative on the other blogger’s candidate?

Truth Be Known Are you still here, just read your comment, may I compliment you, I agree with you and it was good to see that info. Alot of people do not pay attention to this kind of info.

M Period -

Less painful on the taxes – that’s the premiere econ dif.

Strategic strength.

You’re a punk never seen action. You owe vets your respect for going. No way a limp D like you’d ever man up to serve.

M PERIOD

May I ask what planet you are living on? I must of missed that train.

MCCain is the man to beat!!!

brian,

Ohio and Texas aren’t huge democratic states. As for new york, Clinton lost Illinois. Illinois is always Democratic. A majority of Clinton voters are the hardcore party liners, they’re going to vote democratic. Obama in a general will win New York and California, just like Clinton in a general would win Illinois. Once people actually pay attention to McCain, either democrat is going to pretty easily win the general. McCain has moved too far to the right, he’s mirror Bush too much. He’s making it way to easy for them to paint him as Bush (who now has the lowest approval record in the history of this country) part 2. The Obama won’t win NY or Cali, just because Hillary won them in a primary is nice spin from here side but realistically a dumb argument.

Comment by Cathy
April 22nd, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Truth Be Known Are you still here, just read your comment, may I compliment you, I agree with you and it was good to see that info. Alot of people do not pay attention to this kind of info.
__________________________________________________________
That’s just a little info, and some of it is older, but I feel it does have it’s impacts.

Hillary said she would obliderate Iran if they attacked isreal with a nuke. good for her, we need someone in the whitehouse with some balls

TBK: Statistically illegal aliens dont exist for the rate in (un)employment. Like anything has cost and benefits, Some cost you mentioned, benefits are spending for goods and services and doing many times work that otherwise not gets done. Am not sure with exact comparabe numbers.

Unemployment is higher among every age group of worker in January 2008 compared to March 2001, and higher among most groups compared to July 1990, even though overall unemployment is lower. This is because the weights across the age groups have shifted.

Our labor force statistics are based on civilian non-institutionalized persons. Those in prison are not counted. This particularly affects younger men. Of course, the civilian labor force data also excludes those in the Armed Forces, all of whom are employed. This also disproportionately affects younger men.

It’s looks like Hillary is holding her own in PA. Poor Obama, another big state for Hillary. Does that not tell you something?

I’m voting for Mc Cain, it is a defensive vote, however, against both lying socialists, not to mention their other drawbacks

Truth-be-Known.
Thanks for the link.
It was very thought provoking.
It falls into place with all the rest of Obama’s list of ideals and associates.
I learn more about him every day.
It’s alarming what a huge, global, membership this man has managed to put together so well.
The bloggers are right. He is only a small part of an obvious world-wide movement. It is taking shape nicely.

Eye Zac & Brian,

I don’t want to build Iraq. I could care less if their roads are falling apart, I don’t like my tax money paying for their stuff while our country falls into a recession. I don’t like our troops being killed being their police officers while people who want to hurt us are allowed to rebuild bases around the world. McCain’s Iraq policy is dumb. I would take Clinton’s or Obamas. Again our economy is doing horrible China is buying our country piece by piece. Free trade, without demanding that other countries have to abide by our standards hurts American workers becuase its cheaper and easier for companies to opporate overseas and ship in under free trade agreements. McCain, sometimes depending on who he’s talking to, likes free trade. Continuing to be a world power requires money, cutting taxes is nice but not at the expense of our security or my kids future. Pick at topic and I can tell you why my candidates are better.

HELLO ARIE,

I see you are back and at it again, smile

Mike,

Good for you, good choice for our next president.

One of the reasons that American Companies left is because of the corporate taxes. Do you realize that they pay the highest taxes in the world. The dems want to increase those taxes and then wonder why our companies are going elsewhere.

Pretend its Obama v. McCain in NOv. Who would the following vote for: Older whites, Independants, Latinos, Jewish, working class? Who would win the electoral college?

MPeriod.
The iraqis are starting to earn oil revenue.
I believe they should begin contributing to the war effort. That woul certainly help relieve the US and coalition’s burdens.

M-Period, may I ask what part of the country you are in?

Cathy,

We are the largest consumers in the world by far. They’d stay and pay the extra taxes if it wasn’t so easy to sell from foreign countries while paying workers their half what they pay here.

Midwest.. Illinois

Jo Anne,

Iraq has been running with a surplus. They can’t even spend all our tax money our gov is giving them.

Back to politics for a change. think Hilly gets a bit nuts with her statements, sounds more like an ultra extremist from some outhouse in the woods. Think she is on her last legs, coffer is almost empty, and cant see people donating some much needed cash after a slight win, with very dimm prospects for coming weeks. Good for McCain, when race goes on, but not all good news, since voter registrartion has been up in huge numbers. If that will have an impact come Nov, will see, but cant hurt. Since I think its only 7 or so weeks after Rep convention, when elections take place, maybe she is still shouting whatever by then, or who knows,,

As her Sizzlean was served at breakfast yesterday, Michelle reportedly said “move over Barack, now there’s something meatier.”

Jo Anne,

The Iraqui people are now using their oil revenues to re-build so that will avoid us having to pay anymore. I remember when the war began, the dems accused Bush of going to war for the oil, none was received. Now the dems are moaning and groaning about why we haven’t gotten aby. They can’t have it both ways

And dick, wI

I’d say McCain would win older whites. Obama would win Latinos (because they always go democratic), Jewish and working class I think would depend on who Obama gets as VP (Rendell for VP) and just the overall democratic party unity. And independents would split, probably by age.

Right Cathy. Hillary and Ob want to raise the taxes on capital gains too. That means our pensions.

If Obama is such a great leader then maybe someone can explain to me why his home state and home city had 30 shootings, nine killings behind these shootings over the weekend and then four more shootings yesterday. Great leader he will make for our country.

Personally, I’m also looking at the Republican primary in PA. I’m curious as to whether the people voting there will solidly support the pre-sumptive nominee or protest his selection by voting for either Huckabee (to raise expectation of a VP nod perhaps) or Ron Paul. Even though Huckabee has dropped out I haven’t heard that Paul has. A large vote could indicate that Senator McCain still hasn’t mended all his conservative fences.

Gotta run, NCIS coming on, but will be back later.

dick W

Obama knows economics so he said, why did he not know capitol gaines and how it works. Oh, I forgot, he was misunderstood!!

dick, WI

Social Security, Medicare, Schools, National Security (from building a stupid wall to airport security), fighting a war on two fronts, running prision camps, Rebuilding two counties (without making it a loan, just giving them money), recruit for our military… cost money. Lets not forget that the dollar is at its lowest point EVER against the euro, so gas prices will keep going up. Tax cuts are nice but they are what got us in this messed up economic place we are now. Cutting taxes without cutting gov spending is stupid. McCain’s policies like… a gas tax holiday sounds great because gas prices will go down but that is the money thats used to build roads. Increasing our gas consumption (since prices will be cheaper) while running up a higer deficit is dumb. His tax cuts sound great, but they are horrible in the big picture. If he actually talked about restricting gov size, or at least cutting back spending I would love to pay lower taxes. But McCain doesn’t. He just says “I’ll cut taxes” and worry about the consequences later.

M Period,

McCain would for sure win.

my god. I just heard how the appropriate the delegates by district in PA. What a convulted unfair way to do things. The dims have created a nomination disaster.

Cathy….

Obama is a US senator and a candidate for president. What does that have to do with gang shootings in Chicago? How is that his fault? He has nothing to do with that.

Cathy , compared to other countries the corporate tax is quite low, and not many corporations pay the highest band, like individuals they can deduct many liabilities, debt etc, Or you put your post box head quarters in the cayman islands, there are many legal ways to avoid paying too much tax.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world

dick, WI

I agree with you on the democrats primary set up being stupid

M Period,

McCain has never received any money from pork barrel spending but Obama and Clinton have over and over agin, so who is spending whos money?

Carl, are you in Youngstown, Iowa or Youngstown, Ohio….there is a difference!

M Period,

I have to admit, you have a valid point.

cathy and MPeriod.
thank you for your responses.
If they are pumping oil and have a surplus, it’s time for the coalition to get some reimbursement.
Oil or cash would be nice.

The way the dems issue their delegates is a sad affair, Hilliary won the popular vote in Texas but Obama got 3 more delegates, that is so wrong!! And I am not a dem.

Cathy,

I’d be pissed if I was from Arizonia. Obama’s job is to represent Illinois, I’m happy he took money to help the state.

And relistically McCain is lying about pork barrel spending. He acts like he doesn’t and he’s saying he’ll veto it. But realistically he has tons of pork barrel in his past. This link is obviously biased but that doesn’t make it untrue: http://www.democrats.org/a/2007/10/is_john_mccain.php

But everyone its been fun. I’m going to go eat and see who wins the primary.

Jo Anne,

I agree with you, it is time for them to start paying back but don’t you think we need to give them some time and let them rebuild their country? After all, we did go in and destroyed alot out there.

Rezko’s buddy Ali Ata pled guilty and promised to help the Feds.

Cathy
With soecial interest McCain is rightly very careful, since what happened in his earlier political career. Its now a bit more subtile, and probably thats how politics is done.like story in Ny Times
“Wealthy developer Mr. Diamond wanted to buy land at the base, Fort Ord, Mr. McCain assigned an aide who set up a meeting at the Pentagon and later stepped in again to help speed up the sale, according to people involved and a deposition Mr. Diamond gave for a related lawsuit. When he appealed to a nearby city for the right to develop other property at the former base, Mr. Diamond submitted Mr. McCain’s endorsement as “a close personal friend.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/22/us/politics/22diamond.html?_r=1&ref=politics&oref=slogin

M-Period

Enjoy your dinner and watch Hillary win. Thanks for your conversation.

By the way, McCain has not received pork barrel money, and he won’t. As an Arizonian I am proud that we don’t take money for some of the frivolous spending that goes on.

Truth be known.

Tell me a little more about the Rezko, please

All three have special interests money, its like a pool of people from a organisation or corporation, so it looks like individuals who donate money. Its not that they are buying influence perse, but safeguard access in a future time. Some will donate to all three, just to be sure, you never know, which ‘horse’ will win.

How much time do you have?

Arie,

You really need to try and get your facts straight, this issue has already been brought to light and there were no favors or any inappropriate actions taken by McCain. The only thing that McCain did was to demand that there be a vote up or down and to stop stalling. This matter has already been discussed and proves McCain did nothing wrong, Republicans and Democrats both agree on this.

If you are an onion skin person? You have no place in Politics.

Barack Obama can’t handle the heat??? – GET OUT!!!

Obama Parasites and his goons are very desperate now – They’re now threatening to create havoc on some polling places to pretend there are anomalies to desperately stop the counting.

Hillary Supporters watch for these Oba-maniacs!

Truth Be Known,

Love your charming personalty. How about short, sweet and to the points. You know, the major info, it sounds interesting for sure.

They never use the gas tax money for the highways. They steal it for social programs. I bet your state gas tax is stolen too.
I wonder…if we have had these problems for so long why hasn’t the dem. congress worked on them? I remember all the promises they made to get elected. Oh, I know. They saved up the problems to make them a campaign issue.
Congress won’t extend Bush tax cuts. Less in your pay check comin up.
Who sets the gas and oil prices? Could it be OPEC?
Hill & Ob know darn well they can’t lower gas prices. Anything they raise taxes on gets passed on down to us one way the other as consumers.
As some one said, un-employment numbers are lagging indicators. A lot of the bldg and trades don’t work in the winter.

Comment by Cathy
April 22nd, 2008 at 8:01 pm
If Obama is such a great leader then maybe someone can explain to me why his home state and home city had 30 shootings, nine killings behind these shootings over the weekend and then four more shootings yesterday. Great leader he will make for our country.
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maybe because they listen to people like rev, wright who teaches them its ok to go against the gov.

Rj.
What’s that about?
What kind of havoc?

Does anyone know the true definition of a lobyist? According to our Constitution, we are all aloud to be lobbyist. MAD is a lobbyist group and they do great things.

not much in but she is starting way on top

Cathy that story is just printed today, dont know, he is not a saint you know. Elections is open hunting time. By theway your comment about violence, is probably also due to the prevalence of guns on the streets, and lax laws in regard to that. Lived in cities that were considered violent, nobody singled out one senator for these facts, its society, gangs, drugs, whole lot of reasons.
Law enforcement tries to crack down but not enough at some places, Dont have a ready made answer for a solution,

Dick from WI,

Great comments, I agree with you all the way!!!

JD,

Love your come back, could not have said it better myself.

Truth Be Known,

Thank you for the info.

Cathy, There are many other questions about Rezko senior apts. state teachers funds, passports,etc. Some names Auchi, Kahladi, Aiham Alsammarae Dania Alsammarae etc. Research in your spare time. Connections?

Arie,

I was thinking of another smear story that came out ealier, sorry for the mistake. I agree, no one is perfect, Obama would like to think he is. Politics is a nasty game. I can say one thing, at leat McCain and Hillary did go to a radical church for 20 years but didn’t know it. McCains wife is very proud of our country, unlike Michelle Obama. I could keep going but I won’t.

Ari, I left a post on another fox blog last night, and it was on their untill this morning, but somehow got taken off. Now this is the only one that will let me post, and I have to re-enter my name, and E-mail everytime. Am I being blackballed or what?

Truth Be Known,

I will research this much better and thank you.

Cathy wonder what kind of education you had in your life, since you make these ‘wonderful cute naive’ statements about the world around you. Seems you want make order or sense of it all, and put things in baskets of right/wrong, or black and white.The stage of rationalization or investigation is still beyond you. A brain is to be used with new and different info, otherwise its just a waste.

Be right back

Rco why are you complaining to me..??!!
just kidding had the same problem, sometimes happens with a blog, something with explorer

Well look at the demographics that voted for Hillary. Fox News N

Thanks Ari, I was wondering if I did something wrong, and I just figured you knew more about computers than I do.

Yes Mo. Happens to me too. Sometimes my name carries over others not. Now, this one is Camerons corner. Others aren’t. so maybe that has something to do with it.

Hill wins PA

Rco not really am afraid, software ok, hardware need help to for wiring etc. when slow you defragment thats the simplest solution first stage, sometimes runs bit faster after that.

Dukasis won PA in 88.

ARIE,

I thought you were a better person than that. There is no reason for you to attack me personally on my education or any other topic. I am in here to state my feelings about the candidates, not to personally attack anyone in these conversations. SHAME ON YOU!!!

just put on MSNBC. Chris and Russert look sick.ha

HILLARY WINS, poor Obama!!!

dick WI, those two are sick

dick WI,

Thanks for the good laugh re: MSNBC

How many points do you think Hillary will win by?

Hillary has won the big states. Electoral college.
Elected and supers can change their minds at convention.

48:46 last I heard. I’d like to see more

Hey everybody, got to go, talk to you later. It’s been nice talking with you.

Not that I would ever vote for her, but, I’m glad she won PA

Mike,

I am watching FOX, they show her with a 10 point lead right now, that can change of course. They were talking about some of the groups that were suppose to for Obama ended up going for Hillary. Let’s hope that is true.

Thanx for the reply Cathy, think we are on the same page

Mike, You are a McCain person? You don’t have to answer, don’t want to put you on the spot.

I was for Fred Thompson

Cathy just the way you ask questions and state ‘facts’ with a questionmark, couldn’t help it..
Think she will win, till next time, cant she her win overall

Mike, yes we are on the same page. I am very glad she won PA but I would not vote for her either.

Cathy We are in exile, aren’t we

I bet the dims will get rid of this app. of delegates next time. Just do popular take all. No caucasus.

Mike, I did like Fred T. also, I was dissappointed in his campaign, had hope he would go much further, I guess it was not meant to be.

Arie, so you enjoy attacking people personally? Rather sad that this is how you get your laughs. I am sure that there is not one person in here, including yourself, that does not make mistakes in some way or another. Sad you have to find your amusement in this way.

I’m with Cathy and Mike

Off to the races, nice to talk to like minded folks……and not, enjoy

Mike, we are in the real world dealing with reality, look out exile. Smile

dick WI, your on the right side, go team go.

Mike, have fun at the races, good talking to you.

Cathy asks….

How many points do you think Hillary will win by?<<<

I predicted 8%. So far I am in the ballpark. Glad to see the blogs are back up. they were frozen out all day

Thanx Cathy and Dick, gotta go, but will see ya again

Hey Scott, welcome aboard, I am watching FOX and right now it is 6 points but that will change of course. I did hear that some of the groups that were suppose to favor Obama ended up going for Hillary and that would be good for her, don’t you think?

I think I’ll go read the CNN postings for awhile.
They won’t let me post much. Guess its just for the Ob or Hillary kissers.
If my nervous system can’t handle it will bbl.

Cathy asks…

I did hear that some of the groups that were suppose to favor Obama ended up going for Hillary and that would be good for her, don’t you think?<<<

Yes. I am not surprised about that though. Santorum was talking last night about the “street money” effect. I lived in PA for a while and that is a real element to PA politics. If Obama didn’t pony up the street money those groups will give their support to those that do.

dick WI, why do you want to go to CNN Blog

dick WI writes….

I think I’ll go read the CNN postings for awhile.
They won’t let me post much. Guess its just for the Ob or Hillary kissers.<<<

They never allow anyone to make even a semi-intelligent post against Hillary or especially Obama. The only ones they will allow are the “I won’t vote for Obama cause he done got abducted by them UFOs and travelled back in time to shoot JFK in order to set up a comparison for this here election.”

That crap they will let you post.

“blacks4Barack.org”–shows you these stupid a$$holes DGAS whether a person is qualified, it’s the color of his skin that matters.

Well……………….got news for ya’ mah bruthas. Ain’t nobody gonna’ put this half-white, half-black mf’er in the white house. He’s an a$$hole and you know it, including his big-bootied, America-hating black beeeaaatttccchhh wife.

Scott, what is this street money, I heard something about it this morning but only caught part of it. I am glad you brought this up.

62,000 votes ahead

Ed, my my, do I pick up some major hostility towards the Obamas?

J D and the counting keeps going in the favor of Hillary, yes!!!

Cathy asks…

Scott, what is this street money, I heard something about it this morning but only caught part of it. I am glad you brought this up.<<<<

Essentially it is money given by a campaign to organizations that in return for the….ahem….”donation” organize transportation so people can go vote for that candidate, encourage their members to vote for their candidate, hold rallies on behalf of that candidate, discourage others from voting for the other candidate, etc.

To Scott919

In PA 53-47 winner Clinton
In NC 57-43 winner Obama
In ID 51-49 Winner ? = right back where we were yesterday

Scott, does that go on in every state?

Mike writes…

In PA 53-47 winner Clinton
In NC 57-43 winner Obama
In ID 51-49 Winner ? = right back where we were yesterday<<<<

i think Hillary will probably take Indiana but yes on the whole I agree. It’s fun to watch but I am not sure there’s a lot of impact here unless there’s a massive blowout

GO TO
http://WWW.HILLARYCLINTON.COM
AND DONATE $10.00

The matter of Michigan and Florida is still an issue that has to get solved.

Cathy asks….

Scott, does that go on in every state?<<<

oh to some degree, sure. I mean it’s not illegal. It’s that part of politics no one really likes to talk about, I guess. Both sides do it. It’s not just one party. But some states are pretty notorious for it though and PA is one of them

80,000 ahead

eat that obamabots

Scott, 92% of the black vote went to Obama and this is not a racial race?

Scott919
Let them keep fighting, McCains’ numbers just keep going up & up

To donate
I don’t think so

Cathy says…

The matter of Michigan and Florida is still an issue that has to get solved.<<<<

They will eventually be seated or they can kiss both states goodbye in the general election. However, they will be seated in such a manner that they will or will not have impact depending on what the DNC wants to happen. If they want Hillary to get the nomination they will seat them in such a way that it will wipe out Obama’s lead after the Superdelegates have made their call. That way they can claim that the Superdelegates didn’t decide anything. If they want Obama to get the nomination they will seat the delegates before the Superdelegates make their call and then have the Supers block vote so it won’t matter. Essentially Florida and Michigan gives Dean and the DNC the ability to do whatever they want and justify it either way.

Scott, thank you for that info, I had heard about it but was un-informed just how it works and who was involved, thanks again.

Cathy states….

Scott, 92% of the black vote went to Obama and this is not a racial race?<<<<

Well of course it is. I think it was naive for anyone to suggest that it would not eventually turn out this way….myself included. i am very disappointed in those white people who refuse to vote for Obama because he is black (and although that does not represent the majority of whites let’s be honest….they are there) but honestly I am even more disappointed in the black people who have been screaming about racism but then support Obama because he is black and it’s my experience that there are more african-americans supporting Obama for racial reasons than whites not supporting Obama for racial reasons. I think they may win the battle in that regard but they are losing the war.

Scott, I agree with you, Obama wants the votes to count only if they split them 50/50. Is he nuts?

Hey, I will be back in a few minutes, got to take care of one of my little kitties.

Mike says…

Let them keep fighting, McCains’ numbers just keep going up & up<<<

Oh I agree. I am enjoying watching as they tear their party apart

Scott, I agree with you. Be right back.

she won she won thank god!!!!!!!!!!!!!hillary 08

hillary 08

To Ace
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh She’ll net what 10 delegates. what a victory

Now she’s only what 150 delegates down

112,000 ahead

Comment by Mike
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:07 pm
Now she’s only what 150 delegates down

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Maybe she should start buying more like OBAMA

Mike states…

Now she’s only what 150 delegates down<<<<

Depends on what sources you use. If she nets 10 more delegates today I count 128. The magic number is 102. That’s how many delegates she would score from Florida and Michigan. If she can finish the primaries within 102 delegates she has a strong argument for the nomination.

To TRUTH-BE-KNOWN
Believe me if she could she would have already done it.

with FL & MI she is ahead in popular vote

ahead in super deligates

ahead in large key states

I’m back. Just had to check out the whining. I know you can’t post there unless you say what they want to hear.
In WI last time walking around money in Milw paid bums with cigarettes to go vote. They also slashed the tires on repub staffers tires on election day.

We’ll…….Obama supporters who openly fly your flags on the “Fag Ship Obama”, it looks as if Operation Chaos really did a number on you guy tonight thanks to the Republican cross overs…..

Isn’t it going to be ashame when these Republican supporters come back over from the dark side to the side of morality to vote for McCain.

You Democrats don’t even have a long shot come November I hope that you understand regardless of what fruit you have running.

Why is Dean pushing to have the super-delegates declare when all of the states are finished voting? Does he want to know what the total delegate count is before deciding how Florida and Michigan will factor in? This would obviously lead to Obama winning the race, as Obama would only agree to seat delegates up to the point that assures him the win. After all, both parties have to agree on the resolution to that debacle. In order for Hillary to have a chance, she needs Florida and Michigan resolved before the super-delegates vote.

What should this slogan “Hillary wins the big states” mean? That is nonense! Hillary won nearly all HER big states at a very very narrow margin and in an election against an other democratic candidate… Obama didnt lost with +10, 20, 30 or more percent behind her in this big states as outsider und unliked person!

Obama has the lead and Clinton can’t get more votes at total.

At the real election against McCain the narrow wins of Clinton in a few big states doesnt matter. The voters for change, the DEMs would clearly vote too in the states which Obama didnt win for him…

Obama is the leader at all results in total, nationwide polls and becomes the candidate. All other is stupid pr spin from the Clinons.

To scott919
possible but do you really think the DNC is gonna throw their new golden boy under the bus. I’ve been readind a lot on this and I’m sure you have to, but what I take from it is that the DNC is tired of the Clintons and want them to go away. And mostly they don’t want to discourage all the new voters that Obama has brought into the demacatic party. Personally I don’t want to go through another 4 to 8 years of lying, scandels, party line fights, and wearing out of the word GATE behind something that the Clintons adminastration have done.

Clintons know the elected and super delegates can change their minds at convention. They know politics and know they don’t have to give up now.

Just wait.

Obamagate is coming soon!

Obama already had Bittergate.

The supers are looking for the strongest candidate in the fall. If they have to throw OB under the bus they will if they figure he can’t win the general.

Barry writes…

After all, both parties have to agree on the resolution to that debacle.<<<<

No they don’t. The DNC can do whatever they want. As I said earlier, if they want Obama to get the nomination they will seat Florida and Michigan one way, if they want Hillary to get the nomination they will seat Florida and Michigan another way. But Florida and Michigan WILL be seated or they can kiss both states AND the general election goodbye.

Maybe Hillary and Obama could be under a bus together.

Then the democrats would be united.

Mike asks…

possible but do you really think the DNC is gonna throw their new golden boy under the bus. <<<

If they believe Hillary has a better chance to beat McCain that’s precisely what they will do because Democrats are micro-oriented by nature (that’s NOT an insult BTW) and long-term strategy is their weakness while short-term strategy is their strength and their focus. They’ll do it in a heartbeat.

Dick

I think if they throw Obama under the bus and give the election to Hillary, you are going to see the Democratic Party be ripped to pieces. Doesn’t it seem wierd that the super-delegates and pledged delegates don’t have to abide by the decisions made in the states that wee won by the candidate? Why do us common folk have to vote at all?

Maybe since Ali Ata pled guilty today in the Rezko case, and is going to co-operate with the Feds , more will come out in the case.

Mike suggests…

what I take from it is that the DNC is tired of the Clintons and want them to go away. And mostly they don’t want to discourage all the new voters that Obama has brought into the demacatic party.<<<

Both good points BUT they have an opportunity to have the presidency, control of Congress, and the ability to nominate liberal Supreme Court Justices (and there are many current ones that will retire in the next four years). They have the triple crown in their grasp and they are doing their best to p!$$ it away so if they think Hillary has a better shot at beating McCain they will bury Obama, eat a nice dinner, and sleep well.

Barry

not gonna happen. neither candidate is going to do anything that gives the other an advantage.
would you. And don’t think that if the roles were reversed Hillary would give a squat about FL and MI. I can hear her now saying rules are rules and Obama agreed to play by them. She only cares about winning period. She doesn’t care about her party, country, or the people. She’s done nothing but lie since this election has started, and people still vote for her, gotta make you wonder.

Barry asks….

Doesn’t it seem wierd that the super-delegates and pledged delegates don’t have to abide by the decisions made in the states that wee won by the candidate?<<<

Well it’s been said that the Superdelegate concept came into play when Ted Kennedy decided to run for President and the Democrats created the Supers to make sure he did not get the nomination if he won the primaries. What is the old saying about getting caught in your own web of treachery?

Scott

I agree with your analysis completely. They didn’t even have the ability to forsee what not counting the votes in Florida and Michigan would have. How could they be that blind? Its no wonder they are more likely to flip-flop on issues as the political winds shift.

Comment by Smokey
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:36 pm
Maybe Hillary and Obama could be under a bus together.
Then the democrats would be united.

Dream come true

After the McGovern debacle they invented the supers to make sure the right person got the nomination. Normally they have a sure candidate by Super Tues. Dean wants it done because he’s a far lefty for Ob. It’s only the washington big wigs who want it over. Not the rest of the states. And they don’t want to go to convention as they know it would be a mess.
In other words the supers are in a tough spot. But they are looking toward the general as to who would be the best candidate agaisnt McCain. Or I should say who they think would be. ha.

Scott919
I’m sure you’ll agree with this, Before this is over it will end up in court.

Outside of Hillary throwing in the towel, how does this not go to the convention? How can the Democrats avoid the mess that will happen should it get that far?

Barry writes…

Its no wonder they are more likely to flip-flop on issues as the political winds shift.<<<

Exactly. That’s typical of a micro-focused person. They solve one problem but because they have not thought it through their solution creates additional problems, then they solve those and more problems are created so they are constantly running around putting out fires of their own creation and making no progress. Macro-focused people (who are usually Republicans) have their own weaknesses of course so it’s not like it’s better to be one or the other.

The shorthand is that the micro-focused Democrats will get you SOMEWHERE fast but it’s usually not where you wanted to be while the macro-focused Republicans will get you EXACTLY where you want to be but it will take a long time to get there.

Tomorrow Hillary will be challenging Obama to more debates. He cancelled the CBS one.
good night. I’ve had enough for one day.

Mike comments…

I’m sure you’ll agree with this, Before this is over it will end up in court.<<<

No question about it

I said…

The shorthand is that the micro-focused Democrats will get you SOMEWHERE fast but it’s usually not where you wanted to be while the macro-focused Republicans will get you EXACTLY where you want to be but it will take a long time to get there.<<<<

just as a follow up to my point, it’s a shame that the political climate is such that both sides are constantly at each other’s throats. If they were willing to recognize the strengths of the other party and their own weaknesses they could cooperate to develop solutions that have the speed and short-term effectiveness of the Democrats and the strength and long-term effectiveness of the Republicans. Unfortunately what we get now are the weaknesses of both thought processes and instead of getting solutions that are fast and effective, we get solutions that are slow and crappy.

Comment by Barry
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:37 pm

“Dick

I think if they throw Obama under the bus and give the election to Hillary, you are going to see the Democratic Party be ripped to pieces.”
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What, you believe this stuff about the Democrat Party being torn into pieces? The only group who would do such a stupid thing would be the black voters of Obama as the blacks did this in the Los Angeles riots in 1992 and I am not trying to sound like a racist here because I am not. But who cares anyway about this sector of the vote because its a irrelevant group of voters in that blacks in the US make up about 10% of the population and most of them do not vote and their vote cannot turn the victory for a candidate one way or another because they do not have the numbers on their side. I say let them kill one another if they choose to because no one should care.

Anyway, McCain has this election wrapped up in November anyway….thank goodness.

Make Iran Glow,

Hello, hello, good to see you again

Make Iran GLow

I was not thinking along racial lines. I was thinking more along the far left of the Party who support Obama, and the more moderates of the Party who support Hillary. If the far left feels their candidate was cheated by the supers overturning the results of the election process, the moderates and far left will be at each others throats way more than they already are. This would be good for McCain, who I am supporting. It would be bad for the Democratic Party.

Has anyone seen Chris Matthews yet ? He looks like he is going to cry. LOL

First off, hello Cathy.

SDs jump on board now and its game over for the obamabots

Make Iran Glow,

I am not a racist either but what I have seen in this years democratic race only shows me their ignorance. The blacks did turn their backs on Hillary, she has done more for them than Obama, but He is black and she is white. He has used the race card since the start of this race.

I agree with you Barry.

But I was thinking more in the racial lines because this is the issue of who will create havoc in the party if there exists any kind of inter-fighting going on. Idiots such as Jesse jackson and Al Sharpton and 96% of the other black voters who voted for Obama already will have a problem with it, but no one else. And who cares about how the blacks vote anymore because their vote is baseless, thoughtless and racist no matter what when a black candidate is involved. This is just the fact of the matter….what can I tell you?

Comment by HARLEY LOWRIDER IL.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:13 pm
Has anyone seen Chris Matthews yet ? He looks like he is going to cry. LOL
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Is he the spitter?

Well, Good Luck to the Obama-bots and the McCainines…There is no way in hell either one of them two canidates could make it to the presidency. Obamas gay and crack dirty laundry is soon to come out…McCain has no chance just because he is another G.Bush. SAY HELLO TO MY GOOD FRIEND HILLARY, SHE IS THE ONLY POSSIBLE CANIDATE FOR THIS ELECTION!!!!

Harley,

Good to see you, poor Chris Mathews, Life just isn’t fair, is it?

Yeah, Truth Be Known, my stomach hurts from laughing at Chris Matthews tonight.

I said a long time ago that I’m done debating on these blogs( you really don’t get anywhere). But I just what to know where people stand.

Make Iran Glow: I’ve seen you around before but I don’t know who you support. Are you Demo of Republican. Who did you support in the primaries if you are Republican.

Cathy same question.

Patty NJ – Can you please tell me what you are smoking in your pipe tonight and/or if you are drinking Everclear or Jack Daniels? It must be making you hallucinate about Hillary beating McCain.

Patty, I am glad that Hillary won tonight in PA, but when it comes to the general election and she is the nominee she will have a fight on her hands with McCain. Now this is my opion only.

Dust – you should get an idea of what my political bend is. I am further right than Ronnie Reagan, Barry Goldwater and Pat Buchanan put into one body.

Peace through strength, God, Family and Guns…..and send a ICBM into Tehran tonight is my idea.

she just went over 200,000 votes ahead

Patty-NJ, What’s wrong with Bush?

I like him cause he kicks A$$.

M.I.G. What do you think of Zbigniew Brzezineki ?

Dust,

Glad you decided to join in on the blog. I was a democrat for the last 15 years, chaged party affliation about six months ago to republican. I am and have been a supporter for Senator McCain, besides he is also from my home state. What else can I ask for?

Comment by Make Iran Glow
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:25 pm
Dust – you should get an idea of what my political bend is. I am further right than Ronnie Reagan, Barry Goldwater and Pat Buchanan put into one body.

Peace through strength, God, Family and Guns…..and send a ICBM into Tehran tonight is my idea.
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Make Iran Glow

To freagin funny! That is the best thing I have heard in a long time!:)

Truth Be Known – I truly believe Zbigniew Brzezineki was a Soviet Spy who integrated with the establishment and there is allot of good information which points to this. If I was President, I would begin an investigation on him and eventually hold him to treason if possible and Henry Kissenger not far behind as I believe he may have been funded and influenced in a great way by the Israelis.

J D,

Thanks for the election count info, what is the percentage for each one?

Bush only kisses Ass and as far as Hillary and McCain goes…Why do you think the media has been making Obama look like a sweet potato?? I will tell you. So that stupid people will vote for him and he will have to run against McCain….everyone knows that Obama will loose against McCain. Now…McCain and the Republicans darn well know they will not beat Hillary in November. Mark my words..Hillary runs against McCain and McCain looses…BIG TIME. I dont smoke or drink but maybe you can score some crack from Obama.

Hey Make iran glow….I think you are making your crack pipe glow.

M.I.G. So you probably wouldn’t have him as your Foreign Policy Advisor

Patty, NJ – Thanks for reminding me that am smokin’ crack. I guess this would make me an Obama supporter then…..correct?

Patty,

Oh my, we are on a roll tonight aren’t we? That’s not a bad thing either, don’t get me wrong Patty. I would love nothing more but to see Hillary beat Obama. The things that this man stands for have no place in our country and I for one would love to see him and his wife go back to where ever they would be proud to live. Obviously, they are not proud of this country, so go somewhere else. Now Patty, Hillary will have her hands full with McCain!!

Comment by TRUTH-BE-KNOWN

April 22nd, 2008 at 11:40 pm

“M.I.G. So you probably wouldn’t have him as your Foreign Policy Advisor”
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You would be correct.

I to am a republican. I’m hoping for McCain but I was hoping for Huckabee in the primaries.

I totally argee. Peace though strength. God, Family and Guns. I love that last part. Demo’s dont seem to get the fact that it is a person that pulled the trigger. Would they rather have them poison of stabe the victims. Whatever.

Obama’s speech was good tonight.

But, the only thing I disagreed with what he said was when he equated whether someone is black, white, hispanic, etc.. to whether someone is “gay or straight.”

I believe those are two seperate issues.

Comment by Make Iran Glow
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:22 pm
Patty NJ – Can you please tell me what you are smoking in your pipe tonight and/or if you are drinking Everclear or Jack Daniels? It must be making you hallucinate about Hillary beating McCain

Make iran Glow…Whats good for the goose…You know that old saying!!!

M.I.G

Make Iran Glow,

As far as I am concerned, Obama ought to just go back to his home city and see if he can do his job as a Senator and find out why they had 30 shootings, nine killed in those shootings just over the weekend. Then on Monday, another 4 shootings. Seems to me that he wants to be this great leader, well he can go back to Chicago and clean up his city. He says he knows how to unite, I must be missing something here.

Cathy…I believe…..No…I know for a fact that Hillary is going to blow McCain away in the general. Obama is toast, he even knows it. Fagettabout McCain!!!

I really wish Obama didn’t come from my home state. It’s well, embarrassing. Especially since I live by a city that has a poster that says’ racism not in our town’(ya right). But I really wish a presidental canidate woundn’t be racist. I also wish he didn’t campaign for Odinga( who burned people who have religious views like me). But he did. Kick his BUTT Hillary!(and then let McCain kick yours)

Truth Be Known-

You know what is going on.

LOL…People have not even begun to hear what Obama and his creeps are capable of yet. You say you live in the same area as Obama. What about the murders of the two gay men from Obamas church that obama had gay affairs with. I cant wait until he is connected with their deaths. He is one sick biotch that thinks us whities are pretty stupid.

Patty,NJ: I agree with your pridiction that McCain will probably lose. But I won’t betray my beliefs to help someone who is totally against my beliefs. As far a Obama being toast. I disagree, He has the median on his side.(who else do you need). Plus you have young people(a little older than me actually) that get greatly inspired by his message. That what really fricks me out about him. His record and what he whats to do is clear, but people continue to blindly follow( like sheep to the slaughter).

Dust…BTW, Thats is exactly what MCCain is….DUST IN A SUIT!!!! Way too old!!

You could of just told the truth in who you are routing for ya know. Its ok that you are an OBAMA-BOT!!! LMFAOROTF!!!! Typical Obama-bot!!!(shaking my head in disgust)

Patty,NJ: I’m on your side.(sort of) I didn’t mention all of his flaws.( I didn’t know about that one though). I didn’t have to research long before I came to the conclution. I really didn’t like him before and I really hate him now.

in my earlier post I meant Media Not Median

I guess now Dust…I am a racists..Right???

Chris,

I did not listen to his speech, Can you tell me a liitle more about his equating races and life styles, what was he talking about?

Patty,NJ: Whats your problem? As far as my blog name its sort for my name LOL. My first choise(if you can not read) is McCain, second is Hillary, and last and least Obama. Where do you get that I’m an obama-bot. You have issues my dear.

LOL, Out of all the speeches and debates that I have listened to, not once have I understood anything he was saying. All he says is things like change, hope,ummmmm, change again!!! Aduh!!!

Hey everybody, going to go and chill out for a while, I have blogging for hours today but it was fun. Have a great evening and God Bless America!!

I don’t know Patty. Are you a racist? I have never hinted that I thought you were racist( and I could care less). Can’t your read?

I personally am not racist.

I wouldn’t have believed Bush could have destroyed our economy in a few years. I guess every great empire has to come to an end sooner or later.

well Dust…I dont have issues with you but I do have issues with obama bullys. Sorry if I have mistaken you for one. Good luck with McCain and may the best women win!!! LOL

Dust

Watch out! I think Patty still feels the Republicans were responsible for the Flordia and Michigan Debacle, which is hurting Hillary.

Nick

What is your evaluation of the Congress that we elected in 2006?

Sorry Barry, I finally read all the details on that situation. The only problem I have with republicans is what GWB has done to our country. He is an embarrassment to all of us. As far as McCain goes. I will take him over Obama any day.

Patty,NJ: Although Bush hasn’t been impressive his a shot better than Bill Clinton was. And Reagan blew them all away. Good night.

Btw Barry, The whole Florida and Michigan thingy is not hurting Hillary. Hillary will be the nom. Obama has way too much trash on him. The Dems will take it away from him. He has no class and will not win in the general. The democratic party is not that stupid. Guess we will have to wait and see.

Dust you are right and Hillary has all the reagan votes too!!

Patty

Are you implying that no matter what the results of the popular, or regular delegate count is, the supers will overturn the result in Hillary’s favor? Perhaps we should just let the supers pick and save the taxpayers the expense of an election altogether. Aren’t you still bitter from 2000 when the Supreme Court interferred in Florida and gave the election to Bush? Oh thats right, you’re from the Party that says count every vote, but wants to ignore Florida and Michigan voters.

Bust can’t be blamed for everything that has gone wrong in this country. I would support him(Bush) for president again over Hillary, McCain and I won’t even compare him to Obama( it insolting). I need sleep. Nighty night

Patty

I would much rather have Hillary as President than Obama, but McCain is my choice.

Senator Obama wasked if we could smell what Barack was cooking. I guess the Senator Clinton supporters will now reply, “Yeah, HIS OWN GOOSE”! Maybe if he stays away from SF and stops talking about small-town America, he’ll recover his momentum. Only time will tell.

FOX News is now reporting:
DEM (99 per cent reporting)
Hillary Clinton 1,249,577 54.70 per cent 66 delegates
Barack Obama 1,034,686 45.30 per cent 57 delegates

The Dem Presidential Race 2008

“Back to back they faced each other,
Drew their swords and shot each other…”

Obama will get he nomination…and will be crushed by McCain in the general election. Obama will also hurt the down-line races for his party!

Well, Hillary can hang on by her fingernails for another couple of weeks..the fun continues

McCain campaigns on issues while the democrats are running on the color of their skin or their gender, i think this general election might be a lot closer than anyone think.

BTW, why is it that the candidate who says he knows nothing of economics is the one with the best ideas for long-term growth?

“McCain says tax cuts, less regulation, free trade and investment in new green technologies in the new economy will be a big part of the solution.

Per usual McCain blasted democrats Hillary Clintoin and Barack Obama as out of touch for wanting to raise taxes and curb free trade during a recession, which McCain says proves they don’t understand history or economics.”

Christofer…I’m a bit confused by your post…are you saying that with gas, at least at $3.70 a gal. (in my area), diesel at $4.15, (thanks to Democrats), and food prices at least 10% higher than a year ago, (thanks to Democrats), you support higher taxes (Democrats) to take more $ out of my paycheck?

Jeff,

The Bush Depression is a remarkable achievment. Don’t be a shrinking violet. Stand tall and be proud of all of your president’s accomplishments: Ignoring the 2001 August 6 memo: Bin Laden Determined To Attack Inside the United States, then failing to keep the country safe on that tragic day despite the warning, 2 failed wars: Iran and Iraq, and the economic collapse of the U.S.A., through the same old “voodoo economics” that the first President Bush warned us about. If only George Junior would have listened to his father, things might have been different.

Jeff, I’m sorry if your struggling, but freedom isn’t free, Sir! In fact right now it’s running at close to $4 a gallon. It’s time to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps, stand tall, smile, and start singing a happy song. I’m thinking Sousa. You’ve got to get over this defeatist thinking – it’s un-American!

I was wondering why no one mentions Elizabeth Dole as a potential VP candidate. She is a well respected moderate conservative who could attract the female and minority vote from the democratics. She is a very savvy political speaker that won’t scare moderate democratics making for a very strong ticket.

Hey Make Iran Glow

Some additional tax facts:

The top 1% of income earners represent 18% of the population.

The same 1% pay 70% of the total tax revenue (Neil Boortz)

I know you libs think you are smarter and more refined than us mean spirited conservatives, but you had better look at ALL the facts on who is looking out for YOU. The facts will bear out that it’s the republicans that are more sensitive to the middle class and poor. It was also the republicans that were behind the black vote in the 60’s, not the democrats. If you want affordable health care, to to Canada and stand in line. Go to Europe and die while standing in line. Why do we want to repeat some other country’s mistakes?

The self serving (agenda driven) polling exemplified by Gallop’s most recent Presidential approval poll is simply more of the same biased mining for the results that fit the storyline they want to tell instead of unbiased reporting of the facts.

Pollsters typically sample (supposedly randomly) a thousand individuals (but all too often the results are cherry picked). Gallop is telling us:

disapproval approval ui
overall % 69 28 3

rep 32 66 2
dem 91 * 9
ind 72 23 5

note: one in ten democrats are undicided?

But that would require (if one did the math) the following results:

required numbers polled 685 275 40
%
30 rep 300 96 198 6.00
40 dem 400 364 0 36.00
30 ind 300 216 69 15.00

676 267 57

Obviously, such results are suspect, as they are skewed by disproportionate numbers of democrats being sampled. Let’s be real, if the population sampled was so heavily against republicans, it would be impossible for them to ever be elected… yet another reason democrats cry foul when they lose, because they are awash in agenda driven (removed from reality) polling.

Rod –

“Hey Make Iran Glow

Some additional tax facts:

The top 1% of income earners represent 18% of the population.

The same 1% pay 70% of the total tax revenue (Neil Boortz)”
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After running businessness my whole life and putting people to work and keeping them off of the street as I take all of the liability, I am a firm believer that the top 1% shouldn’t have to pay any taxes at all. However, this would be in “a make believe World”……but this would create more jobs for more people and more wealth to spread around.

I really hope that the primary process for the dem’s go on until August. The people need to see McCain as the honest man he is. As long as they are tearing themselves apart they don’t have much time to bash McCain. I am glad that Obama lost yesterday. He doesn’t deserve to be in the White House. His traitor wife should never be able to step foot in the White House.

Comment by Nick Mitchell
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:58 am Jeff,

The Bush Depression is a remarkable achievment. Don’t be a shrinking violet. Stand tall and be proud of all of your president’s accomplishments: Ignoring the 2001 August 6 memo: Bin Laden Determined To Attack Inside the United States, then failing to keep the country safe on that tragic day despite the warning, 2 failed wars: Iran and Iraq, and the economic collapse of the U.S.A., through the same old “voodoo economics” that the first President Bush warned us about. If only George Junior would have listened to his father, things might have been different.

Jeff, I’m sorry if your struggling, but freedom isn’t free, Sir! In fact right now it’s running at close to $4 a gallon. It’s time to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps, stand tall, smile, and start singing a happy song. I’m thinking Sousa. You’ve got to get over this defeatist thinking – it’s un-American!

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Nick, you forgot to take your medication today.

Surprise! Michael Moore endorses Obama. What a heavyweight. Almost as good as Springsteen.

The democrats sense of life is so emotion based. The candidates they offer are so characterless.

I like that liberals hate Bush on such a personal level.

It really shows how they lack self-control.

Food and fuel prices are the result of environmentalism run amock.

Biofuels instead of food production.

Lawsuits against every effort at energy development.

Global Warming is a swindle.

Environmentalism is Idolatry.

Al Gore an A$$ and a fool.

Is there anybody out there?

I revise and extend my earlier remarks (plus or minus 3.5%) regarding Gallop’s percentages:

1035
%
39 rep 390 124.8 257.4 7.8
54.5 dem 545 496.0 0.0 49.1
10 ind 100 72.0 23.0 5.0

692.8 280.4 61.9

… is it any wonder the President has a disapproval of 69% and 28% approval with the Democrats disproportionately polled/represented… had they done the opposite (Republicans representing 54.5% and Democrats just 39%) the President would have a 38.3 percent approval… but that does not fit the template/agenda. Shame on the pollsters for misleading us all with their prescripted editorials.

The exit polls from PA are quite interesting. While it would be a mistake to project this on the rest of the United States, some things I am seeing in regards to PA…

The age break is 39 years old. 18-39 favors Obama, 40 and older favors Hillary. The 40 and older demographic made up 78% of the voting population.

Obama’s “bitter” comment may have had more of an effect with Democrats than the liberal pundits would like to believe. Obama lost to Hillary in a landslide with gun owners and church-goers. The church population made up 83% of the vote while gun owners made up 37%.

Registered Democrats who consider themselves moderate backed Hillary 60% of the time and made up 41% of the population.

38% of white voters backed Obama. 11% of black voters backed Hillary. Women backed Hillary 57% of the time. Men backed Obama 52% of the time. Breaking it down further….roughly 4 in 10 white men voted for Obama, 3 in 10 white women voted for Obama, 1 in 10 black women voted for Hillary and 1 in 10 black men voted for Hillary. Despite this 75% claimed race was not a factor in their decision, while 78% said gender was not a factor.

The large cities backed Obama. Everything else went to Hillary.

Hillary is trusted more on the economy and health care. Obama is trusted more on Iraq.

25% of Hillary voters said they would vote for McCain or not vote if Obama is the Democratic nominee. 17% of Obama supporters said the same thing if Hillary is the nominee.

interesting indeed

“John McCain Continues Campaign, While Dems Fight it Out.”

John Who?

Comment by Ed Anger
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:55 am
“John McCain Continues Campaign, While Dems Fight it Out.”

John Who?
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Ed, we are talking the next president after GWB, John (what’s his name?) McCain.

By the way the ecomony did not go south until the dems took over Congress. Did any
one figure that out. The factor or Hannity is not talking about Odinga I wonder Why???
Are they waiting for the General Election??
My thoughts:
Capital Gaines tax will hurt the working classes pensions
WE do not need LIBERAL judges.
If 92% of African Americans voted for Obama is that not more racial than whites not voting
for him.

By the way (truth be known) that was a great read you had on illegal immigration.

I’m old and have lived all my life in Illinois. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER trust an ILLinois polititian

Bush has been a great President and I don’t care what anyone says, He says what he means
and means what he says and he doesn’t change his mind for poll numbers. That’s more
than can be said about dumb and dumber in the Dem race.

Comment by Scott919
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:49 am The exit polls from PA are quite interesting. While it would be a mistake to project this on the rest of the United States, some things I am seeing in regards to PA…

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Scott, I”m starting to form the opinion that essentially what you see of voters for Obama is what he’s going to get. To expand, certainly if he gets the nomination a lot of the firm Democrats will get behind him (as we saw with many conservatives once McCain got the nod), but I also believe a good portion of Hillary’s voters will either vote Independent, McCain or not vote at all (I’m basing this on conversations I’ve had with Hillary supporters), they really don’t like Obama and some are citing his San Francisco “guns, God and bigots” speech as part of their decision. Obama doesn’t seem to appeal to moderate Democrats at all. Also, they actually do like McCain but are afraid of the War issues he’s addressing.

To sum up, when you considering Obama has most of the black vote, “latte liberals”..etc and still can’t close the deal (now factor in Florida and Michigan), I really am starting to believe the lion’s share of the voters you’re seeing for Obama is essentially all there is (again allowing for Dems getting behind “any” Democrat nominee, etc).

Scott919

I heard that while 25% of Hillary Supporters would crossover and vote for JohnMCCAin, 19% said they would stay home..so brings the percentage of Hillary voters that will not vote for Obama higher. Either way it’s clear that the democratic party is split.

Connie asks…

If 92% of African Americans voted for Obama is that not more racial than whites not voting
for him.<<<<

IMHO racist is racist….who cares about more or less. I have noticed that many of the media outlets love to report the stats on the exit polls that show how many white voters refuse to vote for Obama because of race but they never seem to mention the black voters who refuse to vote for Hillary because of race. When you look at the exit poll data it’s pretty clear that at this point in our nation’s history, white people are more likely to cross the….shall we say…”race barrier” and vote for someone who is not of their race than black are. That’s what the numbers are showing. You can draw your own conclusions from there.

Tel writes…

I really am starting to believe the lion’s share of the voters you’re seeing for Obama is essentially all there is <<<

I would tend to agree. I also believe as you mentioned that once the Democratic nominee is determined there will be some softening of those numbers regarding Hillary and obama supporters who will vote for McCain, but how much they soften will depend on when they finally make the call. The less time they allow for those wounds to heal the less “softening” we will see.

This is another fact about OBAMA parasites(Supporters)

When OBAMA offered his congratulations to Senator Clinton during his Evansville rally, the 7,000-strong “SO CALLED EDUCATED???” crowd enthusiastically “BOOED”.

Are they really EDUCATED??? These can’t be???

Since Obama is a second Placer so are his surrogates…

A SECOND PLACER IS ALWAYS THE FIRST LOSER!!! – L O L……..

Thank goodness!!! Hillary Won!!!

Comment by Scott919
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:49 am The exit polls from PA are quite interesting. While it would be a mistake to project this on the rest of the United States, some things I am seeing in regards to PA…

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Another interesting spin off from the results of this PA primary and the lead up…Obama cancelled the next debate scheduled with Hillary. At a glance, it appears his critics are right about him, he doesn’t like discussing specifics, makes serious flubs, his dubious associations are troubling him and he doesn’t like scrutiny.

I’ve seen reports that Moveon.org has been calling people to boycott ABC for their conduct of the last Democrat debate….that kind of behaviour is borderline institutionalised censorship (from ultra liberals no less). Essentially…we didn’t like the questions, you will be vilified for asking them and not permitted a setting to do so again.

Very troubling.

American Woman writes…

Either way it’s clear that the democratic party is split.<<<

I suppose to some degree it depends on what exit poll you are looking at. Some media outlets use the same ones, some don’t. just depends. But I agree that the precise numbers right now are probably not as important as the overall trend and that is a fractured party in the middle of a civil war. As a McCain supporter I am happy to watch them continue. Take it to the convention, liberals.

RK writes…

Are they really EDUCATED??? These can’t be???<<<

Well a couple things that come to my mind. First the media frequently reports that people with college degrees tend to favor Obama and that is true. What they usually don’t report is that people with post-secondary degrees usually favor Hillary but of course there are fewer people that have post-secondary degrees so they don’t make up the majority of the entire “college educated” demographic.

Next as a teacher at the college level believe me when I say that the ability to pass a class even at the college level is dependent on a person’s ability to memorize information and work a statistical system. It has absolutely nothing to do with intelligence, the ability to effectively apply the content, or some deep understanding of logic. There are a lot of reasons for this that would take me too long to get into but suffice it to say it’s the truth.

Lastly in regards to the booing, my experience has taught me that simply because someone is rich or educated it does not mean they have class. So I am not surprised by that at all.

Is anyone having problems posting on other blogs?

DNC Elders and Leaders are all Hypocrites!!!

DNC Leaders and Elders Said…

“Support the will of your Constituents…”

“Leaders should set a Good Example!!!”

Nancy Pelosi
Kennedy
Richardson
Henry
etc.

Where is your “Word of Honor” People???

Tel writes…

Another interesting spin off from the results of this PA primary and the lead up…Obama cancelled the next debate scheduled with Hillary. At a glance, it appears his critics are right about him, he doesn’t like discussing specifics, makes serious flubs, his dubious associations are troubling him and he doesn’t like scrutiny. <<<<<

Yeah I saw that as well. I think that’s a bad move. I guess people will interpret that as they wish but I see it as Obama saying “I just got drilled so I’m taking my ball and going home”

I’ve seen reports that Moveon.org has been calling people to boycott ABC for their conduct of the last Democrat debate….that kind of behaviour is borderline institutionalised censorship<<<<

Well, seriously brother…..what else do you expect from that organization?

American Woman

I can’t post on the other blog as well…

All Blogers Hitting Obama Hard can’t post there – i think?

Tel,

You’re really waisting yourself here with your touching sense of humor. I’m sure that the families of the 18 veterans every day who commit suicide would really love to hear some of your witty routine. Perhaps you could pop on down to the VA hospital and get a list of names and numbers of the families who have just lost a son, father, brother, etc to suicide. Maybe you could even lighten the mood at the hospital with your wild and crazy antics for your audience of recovering soldiers in rehabilitation. You obviously have a real talent for making others smile. You should share that gift with as many people as you possibly can. They will all be rolling in the aisles with your wonderful little antidotes about prosthetic limbs and traumatic brain injury. However I bet the biggest chuckle you’ll get is when you make light of their good fortune concerning their future job search with a major disability. Keep up the good work. You’re a real asset to the conservative movement!

Comment by Nick Mitchell
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:52 pm Tel,

You’re really waisting yourself here with your touching sense of humor. I’m sure that the families of the 18 veterans every day who commit suicide would really love to hear some of your witty routine. Perhaps you could pop on down to the VA hospital and get a list of names and numbers of the families who have just lost a son, father, brother, etc to suicide. Maybe you could even lighten the mood at the hospital with your wild and crazy antics for your audience of recovering soldiers in rehabilitation. You obviously have a real talent for making others smile. You should share that gift with as many people as you possibly can. They will all be rolling in the aisles with your wonderful little antidotes about prosthetic limbs and traumatic brain injury. However I bet the biggest chuckle you’ll get is when you make light of their good fortune concerning their future job search with a major disability. Keep up the good work. You’re a real asset to the conservative movement!

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Nick….take your medication.

Comment to Scott919

You may be right…

But these so called educated college students may have knowledge but do not have wisdom!

According to you – “People with post-secondary degrees who usually favor Hillary but of course there are fewer people that have post-secondary degrees so they don’t make up the majority of the entire “college educated” demographic…”

These well educated electorate with post-secondary degrees WHO SUPPORT SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON are “Well Equipped” with “Wisdom” and not merely “Knowledge”.

“Knowledge” is simply means acquaintance with facts, truths, or principles, as from study or investigation; general erudition as with a particular subject or branch of learning…But

“Wisdom” is the PROPER APPLICATION OF KNOWLEDGE…

“I WILL GLADLY BE SURROUNDED BY PEOPLE WITH WISDOM….
THAN BY PEOPLE WHO MERELY CLAIM THEY HAVE KNOWLEDGE…

VOTE SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON AS PRESIDENT!!!

Nick

What is your opinion on the results we are getting out of Congress since 2006?

Nick

Did you actually say we have failed the war with Iran? You really do need to take some medication?

RJ writes…

But these so called educated college students may have knowledge but do not have wisdom!<<<

Well some do and some don’t. The point I am making is that people have a tendency to believe that just because someone is “educated” that they are also “intelligent” and that’s not always the case. “Educated” and “intelligent” are two completely different things.

These well educated electorate with post-secondary degrees WHO SUPPORT SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON are “Well Equipped” with “Wisdom” and not merely “Knowledge”.<<<<<

Again…some are and some aren’t. People with a post-secondary degree just means they have more education. It doesn’t necessarily mean they have more intelligence or wisdom. Neither of course does it mean that they don’t.

“Knowledge” is simply means acquaintance with facts, truths, or principles, as from study or investigation; general erudition as with a particular subject or branch of learning…But

“I WILL GLADLY BE SURROUNDED BY PEOPLE WITH WISDOM….
THAN BY PEOPLE WHO MERELY CLAIM THEY HAVE KNOWLEDGE…<<<

I am aware of the difference and I would agree that wisdom is superior to knowledge. I would also, however, point out that while knowledge tends to be more factual in nature, wisdom tends to more theoretical. What I mean is that while knowledge without wisdom is useless, wisdom without knowledge is dangerous.

Comment by Nick Mitchell
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:52 pm

I’m sure that the families of the 18 veterans every day who commit suicide would really love to hear some of your witty routine.
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Don’t know where you’re getting your info from but war is a fact of life in this world. Liberals never put the responsibility for avoiding war on anyone else but U.S.A republicans. Our armed forces service is voluntary and men and women keep enlisting and re-enlisting.

You sound angry and cowardly. Try blaming some of the groups responsible for war in additon to your own country.

True wisdom will abhor Hillary and Osama, I mean Obama.

Comment by Rj
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:52 pm
American Woman

I can’t post on the other blog as well…

All Blogers Hitting Obama Hard can’t post there – i think?
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I can only post on the Carl Cameron’s Corner blog on Fox.

What is up with this??

Comment by American Woman
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Is anyone having problems posting on other blogs?
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Obama has taken control of the media.

(at least that’s what the liberals say about BUSH).

Comment by Smokey
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:31 pm Comment by Nick Mitchell
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:52 pm

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Smokey, Nick has also posted an allusion on another board here that the Bush Administration was complicit in the 2001 September 11 attack. Nick likes to post inflammatory delusion and to paint anyone who doesn’t fall in with his deluded views as some kind of monster.

His rhetoric and behaviour does appear to be of someone very angry, deluded and spiteful (certainly he’s quite theatrical), which is why I offered that he’s under some kind of medication and should take his prescribed dose today.

Scott919,

Was it wisdom that got us into the war in Iraq?

Wisdom requires one to have made mistakes and learned from them.

I guess John McCain has plenth experience but he is no wiser thatn George Bush.

So true Tel.

The liberals approach to life’s problems is emotion based, lacks character and self control, and is marked by the idolatry of environmentalism.

I guess Conservatives lack any emotion. I already know they lack the ability to think logically.

Comment by michael in atlanta
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:48 pm Scott919,

Was it wisdom that got us into the war in Iraq?

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Was it wise for Saddam Hussein to play a bluff with world after years of sanctions and assertions that his refusal to cooperate would result in military intervention? Was it wise for Saddam Hussein and his surrogates to have an expedient relationship with terrorists of nationalist, Islamic and revolutionary foundations in the midst of all that?

Would any conservative support Bill Clinton if he had started this war?

Truth be known, the answer is a flat NO!!!!!

The conservatives pursue this war in the interest of their political party and not the interest of our country..

Comment by michael in atlanta
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:48 pm

Was it wisdom that got us into the war in Iraq?
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The U.S. congress and the United Nations were onboard with the decision to go to war in Iraq.

Liberals never hold Sadaam or Al Qaeda responsible for avoiding war. Only Bush is responsible.

Why is that Michael?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution

Comment to Scott 919

Re:
“Knowledge without wisdom is useless, wisdom without knowledge is dangerous.”

You are absolutely right!

That’s is the very reson why i will vote for Senator Hillary Clinton as President come November..

Her Wisdom combined with immensed knowledge is a great attribute of a leader. With this attribute she has far more expertise to be a doer of solutions in all problems we are inheriting from this failed administration.

A mere good speeches but no substance of a traditional politician is not going to help us.

The electorate of remaining primaries will surely decide our future… It’s all in their hands now…

Pennsylvanian knew what’s best for our Country… I do hope they’re too…

Vote Senator Hillary Clinton as President!!!

Tel,

We can both agree on something, Saddam Hussein lacked wisdom…

Comment by michael in atlanta
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:01 pm Would any conservative support Bill Clinton if he had started this war?

Truth be known, the answer is a flat NO!!!!!

The conservatives pursue this war in the interest of their political party and not the interest of our country..

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Ok Michael, I’ve answered this for you numerous times but you keep going to the same rote you like to adhere to.

This isn’t about party politics. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. This is about perceived threats to safety and security.

Comment by michael in atlanta
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:01 pm
The conservatives pursue this war in the interest of their political party and not the interest of our country..
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Michael, please list for us the political benefits this war has produced for the republican party. They lost congress two years ago and Bush’s poll numbers are low. I don’t get your point.

Michael in Atlanta asks…

Was it wisdom that got us into the war in Iraq?<<<

unfortunately I have to head to work here so i will have to be brief. The answer to your question depends on perspective which is what I was getting at with RJ. If you value the petrodollar and are concerned about the implications of losing it (in other words if you tend to think for the long-term and tend to focus on the complete picture), then you would probably argue that the war in Iraq was “wise”. If you focus on short-term objectives and tend to focus on individual elements of the whole, then you would probably argue that the war is “unwise”.

There is a great deal of evidence and research that suggests that a person’s tendency to focus on the whole or on individual elements of the whole is determined primarily by how your brain is wired and influenced by experience. Now don’t misunderstand Michael. I am in no way suggesting that Democrats lack wisdom. Simply as I have pointed out many times, Democrats have a tendency to focus on the individual elements of the whole while Republicans tend to focus on the whole itself. Neither way is better or worse and as I have said many times if the two sides would cooperate the nation would greatly benefit from the strengths of both thought processes instead of struggling through the weaknesses of both.

Tel,

You know in your heart that you would be protesting this war if Bill Clinton had started it.

The problem is that the Republicans do not want to give anyone anything, and the Democrates want to give everyone everything. I think we really need a middle of the road party. Oh that will never happen.

Smokey,

Get a grip.

The only reason conservatives support this war is to attempt to save face for the Republican party.

And yes, pursuing this war has NOT help the Republicans.

Michael in Atlanta writes…

I guess Conservatives lack any emotion. I already know they lack the ability to think logically.<<<

Again I have to head to work so I will be quick. Do some research on “inductive reasoning” and “conductive reasoning”. You will find that both are perfectly logical but have a different focus and thought process. Republicans tend to use one kind and the Democrats the other. It is the inability for the two thought processes to grasp each other that leads to conclusions such as “Republicans can’t think logically”, “Democrats are idiots”, etc.

I am off to work. Take care all

Comment by michael in atlanta
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:08 pm Tel,

You know in your heart that you would be protesting this war if Bill Clinton had started it.

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Ok Michael, now you’re just sounding desperate.

Let make this crystal clear for you so that you entertain no further delusions…It’s not an issue of party politics. It’s an issue of perceived threats to safety and security.

Don’t insult anyone’s intelligence with your flaccid appeal to emotion….again.

Comment by Scott919
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:14 pm Michael in Atlanta writes…

I guess Conservatives lack any emotion. I already know they lack the ability to think logically.<<<

Again I have to head to work so I will be quick. Do some research on “inductive reasoning” and “conductive reasoning”. You will find that both are perfectly logical but have a different focus and thought process. Republicans tend to use one kind and the Democrats the other. It is the inability for the two thought processes to grasp each other that leads to conclusions such as “Republicans can’t think logically”, “Democrats are idiots”, etc.

I am off to work. Take care all

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Michael is also a proponent of the circular argument. I’ve told him to look that up also. He chooses to ignore it.

Comment by michael in atlanta
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:12 pm
The only reason conservatives support this war is to attempt to save face for the Republican party.

And yes, pursuing this war has NOT help the Republicans.
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Okay, so what are the ways that is saving face for the republicans? (as I try to get a grip, LOL)

Michael, are there any times you would support war or any wars you have supported?

Should our military be dismantled?

Is anyone but the U.S.A ever culpable for war?

Tel,

Typical conservative response. If you can argue an issue, the call your opponent emotional and hope they will go away.

Well, I am not going away.

The Republicans have already suffered a loss when they had to settle for John McCain as their nominee. The conservative are holding nose and are drumming up support for the “liberal” canadidate.

The Republicans will lose this campaign on the war issue alone.

Smokey,

I support going to Afganistan.

I support the first Iraq war where we stopped the invasion of Kuwait.

Iraq was not an imminent Threat… Al Qaeda was and STILL is due to this distraction.

Iraq did not attack us on 911. Al Qaeda did.

Neither the Sunni nor the Shi’ites invited us to Iraq.

I am sure Obama would instill confidence on Wall Street and his new taxes would revive the economy in mere seconds.

Comment by michael in atlanta
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:24 pm Tel,

Typical conservative response. If you can argue an issue, the call your opponent emotional and hope they will go away.

Well, I am not going away.

The Republicans have already suffered a loss when they had to settle for John McCain as their nominee. The conservative are holding nose and are drumming up support for the “liberal” canadidate.

The Republicans will lose this campaign on the war issue alone.

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Ok Michael it appears you need to be educated.

Let’s begin…

You wrote:

Comment by michael in atlanta
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:08 pm Tel,

You know in your heart that you would be protesting this war if Bill Clinton had started it.
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THAT!!! Michael, is not an argument it’s a stubborn and desperate refusal to believe what I offered. Your refusal is not founded in any proof. There is no basis for the assertion, there is no evidence to support it, there is no post I have offered to indicate anything even remotely resembling it…YET…you went ahead and bleated it anyway.

Let’s examine it even closer…”in your heart” is an appeal to my (and the reader’s) emotion. You cannot offer any evidence of what “my heart” (read: my true feelings)is embracing or disavowing. You are reaching and reacting in desperate manner. You chose to to ignore what I told you (because it conflicted with your original assertion) and you tried to offer what you perceive as my thoughts through the filter of your positions. You made a fatal error. What you bleated was not an argument, it was a stubborn adherence to your perceptions (and an attempt to paint me as a liar)…nothing more.

My accusation stands and you reinforced it…YOU BASE YOUR “ARGUMENT” SOLELY ON “FEELINGS”, READ: AN APPEAL TO EMOTION.

I will not elaborate any further on this specific issue Michael, if you cannot understand your error, you have my sympathy.

Comment by michael in atlanta
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:30 pm Iraq was not an imminent Threat… Al Qaeda was and STILL is due to this distraction.

Iraq did not attack us on 911. Al Qaeda did.

Neither the Sunni nor the Shi’ites invited us to Iraq.

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The Taliban didn’t invite us either. Argue that based on what you just tried to offer Michael.

Comment by michael in atlanta
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Iraq was not an imminent Threat… Al Qaeda was and STILL is due to this distraction.

Iraq did not attack us on 911. Al Qaeda did.

Neither the Sunni nor the Shi’ites invited us to Iraq.
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You may have some points but you don’t comprehend the “strategery” of Iraq in the face of the growing threat of Iran with nukes and of our interest and the worlds interest in keeping the energy supply from being controlled by terrorists. The whole World was attacked on 911, not just the U.S.A..

Comment by Smokey
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:42 pm Comment by michael in atlanta
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Iraq was not an imminent Threat… Al Qaeda was and STILL is due to this distraction.

Iraq did not attack us on 911. Al Qaeda did.

Neither the Sunni nor the Shi’ites invited us to Iraq.
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You may have some points but you don’t comprehend the “strategery” of Iraq in the face of the growing threat of Iran with nukes and of our interest and the worlds interest in keeping the energy supply from being controlled by terrorists. The whole World was attacked on 911, not just the U.S.A..

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Michael is ignoring the fact that Saddam admitted he’d have taken up his WMD programmes after world eyes were off him. al Qaeda was already establishing a base of operations (after the fall of the Taliban) in Northern Iraq in the summer of 2002. Our suspicions that Saddam had a relationship of expediency with terrorist groups of a nationalist, Islamic and revolutionary nature were founded in the papers we’ve seized since the invasion.

Make no mistake, Saddam was a threat, he was just “declawed” at the time.

That’s right Smokey,

CHANGE the SUBJECT, when you can win an argument.

A major drain on our economy is this billion dollar a month war.

But, let us keep our priorities straight. You want to talk about your taxes while there are 4000+ US troops DEAD!!! Tens of Thousands of our troops are wounded and cannot return to the fight.

Many of our troops are already on their 3rd and 4th tour.

HOW MUCH MORE CAN WE ASK OF OUR TROOPS?

I hope Obama will help me put food on my family.

Comment by michael in atlanta
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:46 pm That’s right Smokey,

CHANGE the SUBJECT, when you can win an argument.

A major drain on our economy is this billion dollar a month war.

But, let us keep our priorities straight. You want to talk about your taxes while there are 4000+ US troops DEAD!!! Tens of Thousands of our troops are wounded and cannot return to the fight.

Many of our troops are already on their 3rd and 4th tour.

HOW MUCH MORE CAN WE ASK OF OUR TROOPS?

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Again Michael, you base an “argument” on emotional appeals.

As horrible as the loss of 4000 men and women is (and the many more wounded and maimed), it’s a testament to the quality of our armed forces that after 5 years the losses are that low. They’re the best in the world. Let them do their job and come home heroes, not victims as you want to paint them.

Oh and Michael…may I see your monthly figures for the cost of operations in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Thats right Tel, We went to war on suspision and bad intelligience.

Our Troops deserve better.

Comment by michael in atlanta
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:51 pm Thats right Tel, We went to war on suspision and bad intelligience.

Our Troops deserve better.

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The Taliban didn’t invite us Michael, they were telling us Bin Laden had fled..we went in just the same.

Comment by michael in atlanta
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:46 pm
That’s right Smokey,

CHANGE the SUBJECT, when you can win an argument.

HOW MUCH MORE CAN WE ASK OF OUR TROOPS?
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Liberals often compare this war to Viet Nam. Go look up the casualty figures for that one.

I recognize that you have a problem with more than one pertinent subject at a time.

And I still like you none the less. Nothing personal.

Ok,

I agree something had to be done with Saddam Hussein. But I still think Saddam Hussein was not worth 4000+ US troops dead and Trillions of dollars.

Comment by Tel…
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Michael is ignoring the fact that Saddam admitted he’d have taken up his WMD programmes after world eyes were off him. al Qaeda was already establishing a base of operations (after the fall of the Taliban) in Northern Iraq in the summer of 2002. Our suspicions that Saddam had a relationship of expediency with terrorist groups of a nationalist, Islamic and revolutionary nature were founded in the papers we’ve seized since the invasion.

Make no mistake, Saddam was a threat, he was just “declawed” at the time.
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Excellent points Tel.

It would not be in the Taliban’s interest to invite us to Afganistan.

What kind of logic do you guys adhere to?

Comment by michael in atlanta
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:51 pm Thats right Tel, We went to war on suspision and bad intelligience.

Our Troops deserve better.

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See that’s the fundamental flaw in yours, Obama’s and Hillary’s argument. The situation is NOW. It’s no use appealing to the past. It must be resolved to a satisfactory level or the issues we face will be profound. Whatever intelligence was good or bad going in..we’re there now, the conditions of NOW must be addressed.

No one, conservative or liberal wants those people in harm’s way a second longer than absolutely necessary (and d@mn right they deserve the best in care, and assistance when they return home). Their sacrifice has been immeasurable. These people have the opportunity in front of them to make a profound (positive) difference in the region.

They deserve to be honoured (and listened to), not used as political fodder.

Comment by michael in atlanta
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:02 pm It would not be in the Taliban’s interest to invite us to Afganistan.

What kind of logic do you guys adhere to?

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The same standard you offered Michael.

The Taliban didn’t invite us, they told us Bin Laden had fled..we shouldn’t invade.

Saddam didn’t invite us, he was telling us there’s nothing there, we shouldn’t invade.

Unfortunately, both regimes weren’t being entirely truthful.

The Taliban were lying, Bin Laden ended up in Tora Bora and then most likely Pakistan.

Saddam was stalling and bluffing until investigators and the world community left (while he courted terrorists when it suited both his and their needs).

Some more FACTS, not lies. The top 50% of wage earners pay 96.03% of ALL TAXES! The bottom 50% pay 3.97% of all income taxes. I thought I would do the subtraction for all of you stupid refined libs out there. WHAT’S THE BOTTOM LINE?

YOU CANNOT GIVE TAX CUTS TO PEOPLE WHO DON’T PAY TAXES. THAT’S CALLED “WELFARE”
YOU CAN ONLY GIVE TAX CUTS TO PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY PAY TAXES!!!

DO YOU LIBS GET THE REAL PICTURE. PROBABLY NOT. WE NEED PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON WHO DO NOT LIKE SPENDING OTHER PEOPLES MONEY. CUT THE WASTE.

OH, BY THE WAY, YOU LIBS HAVE BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. I HIT A RECORD THIS MORNING-$60 BUCKS TO FILL MY MINI VAN. WHILE YOU ARE FIGURING OUT HOW TO PUT A WIND MILL ON TOP OF MY VAN, IT WILL BE $100 BUCKS. CAN’T DRILL FOR OIL IN AK. CAN’T DRILL FOR OIL IN THE GULF. ANOTHER REAL FACT-CHINA IS DRILLING IN THE GULF!!! KEEP IT UP LIBS, MAYBE I WILL BE SEEING MORE OF YOU AT THE STOP LIGHT WITH “WILL WORK FOR FOOD” SIGNS.

Presidents must make judgement calls that are difficult at times.

Sometimes there are no clear paths to follow.

The liberals second guessing of Bush that this was an easy decision to make about Iraq, an obvious blunder, that any second grader could do better, and that he lied, and on and on is just transparent political posturing. That is why John Kerry lost because most people saw through the dishonesty of the democrats even if they didn’t like the war.

I posting this again because nobody had any ideas about the Odinga and Rezki not being
aired
By the way the ecomony did not go south until the dems took over Congress. Did any
one figure that out. The factor or Hannity is not talking about Odinga I wonder Why???
Are they waiting for the General Election??
My thoughts:
Capital Gaines tax will hurt the working classes pensions
WE do not need LIBERAL judges.
If 92% of African Americans voted for Obama is that not more racial than whites not voting
for him.

By the way (truth be known) that was a great read you had on illegal immigration.

I’m old and have lived all my life in Illinois. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER trust an ILLinois polititian

Bush has been a great President and I don’t care what anyone says, He says what he means
and means what he says and he doesn’t change his mind for poll numbers. That’s more
than can be said about dumb and dumber in the Dem race.

TEST

So, you are saying that now the the Republicans got it wrong and we have to live the present condition.

Ok. Why then don’t Republicans admit that they got it wrong instead of making more deadly decisions in an attempt to cover it up?

Whether we stay or leave, things are going to be in a mess.

Scott919, if this posts. Having trouble posting today also. Here in PA, Obama didn’t win the big cities, he won Philly. All in all he won 4 counties. Which are all around Philly. And I can give insight into the larger white vote he got here. Republicans didn’t cross over for Hillary, it was for Obama. Figuring if he gets the nom. he will be easy to beat. He has offended way too many people, has too many skeletons in his closet and is arrogant. Everyone here knew Hillary would win. In our local paper the college kids here voted for Hillary 5-1.

Dust, I am with you. I will do as McCain’s mom suggested and hold my nose to vote for him. But my 1st choice was/is the same as yours. I have trouble trusting McCain. I heard him talking about getting some emergency help to the college tuition thru congress though. If he does that then I will possibly have a slight change of heart.

Comment by michael in atlanta
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:18 pm

Whether we stay or leave, things are going to be in a mess.
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You were hoping this was to be the life of UTOPIA?

Here is another video of Zbigniew Brzezineki. Look him up on Wikipedia. He is a Foreign Policy Advisor to Obama.

John Kerry lost because he was a flip flopper and he did not give voters confidence that he could clean up the mess made by Bush and Cheney..

Capital Gains taxes pay for schools. Our schools (and kids) are falling behind in every subject. As for oil, do you guys have any idea what the rest of the world pays for gas? If it cost too much to fill it up, either stop driving huge vans around, or stop driving as much. I would say public transportation but places have had to cut funding for that too because of the wonderful Bush tax cuts. My problem with republicians is they want all the programs but also want tax cuts. Where do you think the gov gets the money for schools, medicare, social security, to secure our borders, to have wars in Iraq and Afganstain, to pay or vets when they come back injured defending our freedoms. If we didn’t have a HUGE deficit I would be all for the tax cuts, but people who are against repelling the tax cuts really need to look at the big picture. The American way of life cost money, either by raising the capital gains or raising things such as the sales tax (which will effect you more than a capital gains tax increase) or taking away services or raising prises for services.

Quite right, Tel! I’m simply trying to shock and awe you out of this war-is-the-most-normal-thing-in-the-world complacency that so many have fallen into. The truth is I suppoose I feel it’s already too late for this country. Kicking sand is of temporary relief – but seemingly futile. I don’t want to worry about who we are at war with now for the rest of my life or who we are threatening this week – or trying to overthrow. I think there are a lot of us that realize – perhaps America was never really about freedom and democracy. Some of us bought into that marketing campaign – as the truth – and we are paying the price for not bothering to read the small print.

Unfortunately I think fascism is preferred by many here – because of its pragmatic utility. There is strength in numbers if people don’t question things. It makes sense – it’s just not what I believed America to be a long time ago. I think I was slow to realize the tongue-in-cheek promises of America. As long as we don’t accept the happy horse sh*t we were told as kids as reality, we’re ok. I love the way the illuminati elite preach the values of the freemarket for the peasants, while the wealthy are the first ones to rob the public piggybank at the first sign of trouble. They tell us free healthcare doesn’t work, while the congress receive all the free healthcare they want – it can’t be that bad – because I never hear them complain about it. Congress never seems to have a problem taking off a few months – if the peasants asked for the same – it would be socialsim – so it would appear that socialism is accptable for the elites – just not the rest of us.

But enough boo-hooing, I think we’ve really done it this time. Europe and China are the future – the near future, too. China could just shut down most of our military expoits by refusing to enable our addiction to war with more and more borrowed money. They are all trying to figure out how to get out of the dollar, without wrecking their own economy. They can most likely do it, too – as long as they don’t pull out of the dollar all at once.

Tel, if you’ve never seen a little piece called “America Is Tyranny” by George Carlin, Check it out on youtube. It cuts through all of the b.s.

Comment by michael in atlanta
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:24 pm
John Kerry lost because he was a flip flopper and he did not give voters confidence that he could clean up the mess made by Bush and Cheney..
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How about the confidence you have in Obama/Hillary?

At least John Kerry did not take losing so personally as to invent such foolish nonsense as man made global warming. Al Gore is going to regret this in a big way.

I”m curious Michael, you’ve offered in the past that you don’t know why we maintain bases in other countries.

Yet Obama (if he’s to be believed) has proposed leaving a 30,000 man “strike force” (he’s not explained what a strike forces is yet) “somewhere” in the region. This requires, treaties, and funding.

Why is his proposal preferable to you?

Smokey-

McCain collaborated with the communists in Vietnam. Men have been shot for a lot less. How did McCain get 28 medals? The only life he ever saved was his own, through exchanging military intelligence for his own medical care. Maybe he got the medals from his captors? That would make the most sense.

Smokey,

What is your point about Hillary and Obama?

Tel…,

I’m no expert but a strike force is a force able to protect American’s interests in the region. Embassies,attacks against oil reserves, ect…. As opposed to having a military force that police their streets and enforce curfews. I keep hearing, we have to stay and win the war. I think our men and women have already won the war over there. They got rid of Saddam, destroyed any chance they have of getting nuclear weapons, secured the country to allow for a gov to be elected and a constitution to be ratified. I’d consider that mission accomplished, I’m tired of paying for Iraq while our schools are cutting funding here. Our bridges are falling down here and our gov is running up a huge deficit while not advancing the war against terrorists

Nick,

I think McCain is an idiot and would make a horrible president, but I don’t know if you can really criticize his military service. That how McCain is a communist thing is far left wing spin that really has very little if any evidence. I consider equally as out there as the stuff I’ve heard about Obama.

Bet you would have held up well nick mitchell? Maybe , that is why McCain is against torture. Have you walked in those shoes?You are a punk

Comment by Nick Mitchell
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Smokey,

What is your point about Hillary and Obama?
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Nick, my point is that Michael never talks about why the democratic candidates inspire confidence.

You are sooo right about McCain getting his medals from his captors. That is where medals come from. LOL!

I am confident that Barrack Obama or Hillary Clinton will get us out of this distraction(Iraq).

After all, this is what 2/3 thirds of the American people want.

I am afraid John McCain may take the same attitude like Cheney(who cares what the American people think?)

m-antony,

McCain WAS against torture. He’s changed his mind now that he won the republican nomination. Its little stuff like that, why NEW McCain won’t be close in November. In an attempt to win over Bush-fans he moved too close to Bush and is going to lose the independent vote. And he won’t win the way bush win becuase he has too much of an anti-conservatives past. Once the rest of the country catches up and realizes that Rev Wright isn’t running for president so spending all your time worrying about him and what his house looks like and all that McCain’s numbers will fall.

McCain was against the Bush Tax cuts before and now he is for them.

I had a lot of respect for John McCain for he used to stand up to the conservatives. Now that he needs their votes, he caves.

My repect for him has lessened of late.

Hey can I ask why Obama is called a racists because of stuff his pastor said, but McCain isn’t even though he,himself, calls Asian’s “gooks”. After he got in trouble for it he eventually stopped. But I think once people start paying attention to all the candidates equally, McCain’s numbers will plunge.

To ROD…..Good point.

To Connie….I know all about it, I live northwest of Chicago.

All that Rev Wright stuff was a distraction.

I look forward to a OBAMA VS MCCAIN race.

They both have stated that they wish to debate ISSUES and not pursue personal attacks.

Comment by M Period
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:43 pm Tel…,

I’m no expert but a strike force is a force able to protect American’s interests in the region. Embassies,attacks against oil reserves, ect…. As opposed to having a military force that police their streets and enforce curfews. I keep hearing, we have to stay and win the war. I think our men and women have already won the war over there. They got rid of Saddam, destroyed any chance they have of getting nuclear weapons, secured the country to allow for a gov to be elected and a constitution to be ratified. I’d consider that mission accomplished, I’m tired of paying for Iraq while our schools are cutting funding here. Our bridges are falling down here and our gov is running up a huge deficit while not advancing the war against terrorists

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So just like Obama, you don’t know what strike force is or what it’s authorities are either.

When you know for certain, let us all know.

Actually Rod’s point is misleading, yes they pay a higher part of the overall tax fund… but a large percent of the richest people in the US pay a lower percentage of their actual income. Its like if I have $10 and I pay $1…. and they have $100 and they pay $3.. true they are paying 3 times in taxes I’m paying, BUT I’m paying 10% of my income vs 3% of theirs.

Tel…,

I just answered your question as to what Obama meant by a strike force. He’s given his plans for the 30,000 in Iraq many times.

I am going to consult the ouji board and before my final decision I will check my lucky astrology mood watch. LOL!

If Iran is about to bomb.. say Israel our region strike force can…. strike. If you have a different definition feel free to explain it.

Comment by M Period
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:11 pm Actually Rod’s point is misleading, yes they pay a higher part of the overall tax fund… but a large percent of the richest people in the US pay a lower percentage of their actual income. Its like if I have $10 and I pay $1…. and they have $100 and they pay $3.. true they are paying 3 times in taxes I’m paying, BUT I’m paying 10% of my income vs 3% of theirs.

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No M Period, it’s like this, if you work hard, are ambitious enough or privileged enough to be in a higher earning tax bracket, you are paying multiples of what the lower tax brackets are paying and continually over the course of a lifetime. This only seems unfair to socialists, communists and the jealous.

To M PERIOD….I was talking about the gas, sorry

Nick making fun of a man who was a POW for 5 years is about as low as any bottom feeding scum
can go. You try it sometime.

Comment by michael in atlanta
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:09 pm
I look forward to a OBAMA VS MCCAIN race.
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I’ll bet the folks who elected Bush twice are just sooo itching to vote for Obama now. LOL!

Comment by M Period
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:13 pm Tel…,

I just answered your question as to what Obama meant by a strike force. He’s given his plans for the 30,000 in Iraq many times.

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Actually NO, he hasn’t, he can’t even tell us where they’d be based. What it will be composed of. What treaty will be signed (let alone with what country, because he hasn’t told us where they’ll be based) to afford their being there. What it will cost, what their authorities are…HE’S OFFERED NOTHING BUT A PHRASE.

“The 400 of us [here] pay a lower part of our income in taxes than our receptionists do, or our cleaning ladies, for that matter. If you’re in the luckiest 1 per cent of humanity, you owe it to the rest of humanity to think about the other 99 per cent.” -Warren Buffet, the third-richest man in the world.

Tel…,

If he said, they would be based in Iraq. Would that make it better… obviously, as president, he’d have to negotiate a treaty and sign it. Its unrealistic to think that he could give every detail right now. As for what it would be composed of, I don’t think he should ever go into those details, plus it would be a decision made by military commanders. He at least says what the plan for Iraq and our general role in the region is not we’ll stay there until some non-specific mission objectives are met.

You would think the affluent people would be willing a give little more back to their country as this country has allowed them to acquire that affluence.

But no, they more concerned about their taxes, than they are about the poor families who have lost loved ones in Iraq.

How do thes peolpe sleep at night being so greedy and selfish.

Comment by M Period
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:21 pm “The 400 of us [here] pay a lower part of our income in taxes than our receptionists do, or our cleaning ladies, for that matter. If you’re in the luckiest 1 per cent of humanity, you owe it to the rest of humanity to think about the other 99 per cent.” -Warren Buffet, the third-richest man in the world.

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Warren Buffett embraces “wealth redistribution” I include him among the socialists and or communists I mentioned.

Oh and don’t think he’s such a benefactor either.

NEW YORK: Ambac Financial Group, the first bond insurer to lose its triple-A credit rating amid the U.S. mortgage market collapse, rejected an offer by Warren Buffett to hand over control of the company’s municipal-bond business.

Buffett, the billionaire investor, made it clear that his help, offered Tuesday, would not come cheaply. And jittery investors were unsure that his plan would work.

Capitalizing on the turmoil in the financial markets, Buffett offered to shoulder some of the financial burdens of three U.S. insurance companies whose plunging fortunes have become a threat to the financial system.

The companies – MBIA, Ambac and Financial Guaranty Insurance – guarantee interest and principal payments on hundreds of billions of dollars of bonds sold by states and municipalities, as well as complex mortgage investments.

Investors fear that the deepening problems of the bond insurers could unleash a chain reaction of losses across financial industries.

Buffett said he would stand behind, or reinsure, policies that the three companies had written on $800 billion in municipal bonds, a move analysts called a shrewd attempt to take advantage of the companies’ problems.

His holding company, Berkshire Hathaway, is willing to commit $5 billion to the task but wants the insurers to pay it a steep premium.

Berkshire will refuse to take any risks associated with mortgage-related securities, the riskiest debt that the companies insure.

But the proposal would not free up enough capital, according to a statement from an Ambac spokesman, Peter Poillon. The proposal would have required Ambac to pay Buffett about $4.5 billion to assume the obligations.

Ambac is among five companies struggling to maintain their top bond-insurance ratings after widespread downgrades on subprime mortgage-linked securities that the companies guaranteed. On Jan. 18, Fitch Ratings downgraded Ambac to double-A after the company put off plans to raise equity capital.

“Ambac continues to vigorously pursue various alternatives for taking our franchise forward to the benefit of all of our policyholders,” Poillon said.

Buffett’s offer initially heartened investors, who have grown increasingly alarmed by the drumbeat of grim news from the bond guarantors. Financial shares led the stock market higher Tuesday for much of the day before the rally faded in the afternoon.

But the insurers’ share prices fell sharply Tuesday as traders considered the implications of Buffett’s statements on the companies’ business. On Wednesday the insurers’ shares rose a bit.

The offer would do little to alleviate the problems the insurers are facing on securities backed by mortgages, consumer loans and other assets.

In fact, reinsuring municipal bonds with Buffett could make the companies more vulnerable because they would be left with only the riskiest insurance contracts.

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Oh yeah..he’s for the people alright, he’s certainly got you fooled M Period.

Comment by M Period
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:25 pm Tel…,

If he said, they would be based in Iraq. Would that make it better… obviously, as president, he’d have to negotiate a treaty and sign it. Its unrealistic to think that he could give every detail right now. As for what it would be composed of, I don’t think he should ever go into those details, plus it would be a decision made by military commanders. He at least says what the plan for Iraq and our general role in the region is not we’ll stay there until some non-specific mission objectives are met.

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So M Period…we’re back to Obama’s “strike force” being just A PHRASE he’s throwing around with no forethought, planning or logisitical consideration. Much like his capital gains tax raises.

M Period

As a follow-up to Warren Buffett. I f he feels so guilty about the percentage of his earnings that he pays in taxes, then he could simply change the way he gets paid. Instead of receiving the vast majority of his income as capital gains, he could instead take it as salary, and be subject to ordinary tax rates.

I could care less if buffet is for the people, my point was on the tax code. I don’t know enough about him to like or dislike him. He could be the worst person in the world that does change the fact that if the richest say 1,000 Americans paid an extra percent or so of percentages a year, it would put hundreds of millions of dollars into our economy for schools, social security, our failing instructor, to pay for our “strike force” in Iraq, to pay for securing our border.

Comment by michael in atlanta
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:27 pm
You would think the affluent people would be willing a give little more back to their country as this country has allowed them to acquire that affluence.

But no, they more concerned about their taxes, than they are about the poor families who have lost loved ones in Iraq.

How do thes peolpe sleep at night being so greedy and selfish.
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It’s easy, with a stomach full of caviar and champagne, and they just stuff a sock in Robin Leach’s mouth and doze right off.

bigtex,

My point was about the tax system, i could careless about his personal taxes. The point is, the tax system could be changed to better benefit this country.

Comment by M Period
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:39 pm bigtex,

My point was about the tax system, i could careless about his personal taxes. The point is, the tax system could be changed to better benefit this country.

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But M Period, it’s established in practice, lower capital gains tax rates increase government revunue.

Currently it’s around 15%. Obama is proposing 28%. When he confronted with the fact that a lower rate INCREASES revenue…he offered the same argument you do..”it’s not fair”. But he couldn’t explain why his tax hikes would increase revenue when the contrary is true.

Can you elaborate for us?

Comment by M Period
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:39 pm
bigtex,

My point was about the tax system, i could careless about his personal taxes. The point is, the tax system could be changed to better benefit this country.
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Who would benefit? Who would be the benefactors?

M Period

Your earlier post regarding the “misleading” figures. Those are not misleading, those are fact.
Your analogy should have compared identical income figures. Our current tax system is tiered, in that the higher your income, the greater the percentage of tax that you owe. If you keeping raising taxes on the higher income earners, you will eventually kill the goose that is laying most of the eggs. When that happens, then you will truly know what a bad economy is.

Do you realize how much money or government has? We don’t need increased gov rev, that, spending, and home foreclosures are the only thing not to go down under bush. The problem is returning money while running a deficit is stupid. That dumb “stimulus package” $600 a person is another dumb idea. Lets say instead of returning that money, (I can only speak for Chicago, because there was an editorial about it in a local newspaper is where I’m getting my facts from) there was a plan a couple of years ago to wire the entire city for internet with citywide wireless. It had to be scrapped because No Child Left Behind increased the burden on schools, gas prices increased the burden on public transportation, and federal tax cuts forced the federal gov to cut money it gives to taxes.

If they would have taken the $600 they gave to just the people in the Chicago area and reinvested it into the city (by building that internet thing) they would have saved people who pay for their internet around $1000 a year alone (thus they would have saved more money than they got back). Plus the system had to be built, construction companies, contractors, all the industries hurt by the housing crisis would have had to be hired and paid that would have pumped billions of dollars back into that industry.

Tax cuts when running a surplus is great. But tax cuts, when we are being forced to cut our spending on infrastructure, on schools, on building our country is crazy. Its extremely shortsighted. Increasing the capital gains tax will force the higer income crowd to pay more, but its better for the country.

Comment by michael in atlanta
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:27 pm
You would think the affluent people would be willing a give little more back to their country as this country has allowed them to acquire that affluence.
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Karl Marx and others had ideas about how to EQUALIZE societies. It was called communism.

The two big socialist empires China and Russia are now allowing capitalism because it makes their nations stronger and more powerful.

There was a movie with Goldie Hawn called Private Benjamin. She saw a video about the army with “condos and hot tubs” and was surprised after she enlisted it was not the fantasy she expected.

In this world there are wars and rich people like to keep their money. Fantasy extinguished.

It would be nice if otherwise I agree.

I’m not for raising taxes to pay welfare.. but when we have to cut school programs. One of the auto industry guys were saying, a problem with young American works are they don’t use their hands. There aren’t alot of up and coming factory workers. Things like shop class have been cut, becuase our schools had to decide between that and books. Tax cuts are nice, but not when it hurts the future of our country.

Comment by M Period
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:56 pm Do you realize how much money or government has? We don’t need increased gov rev…..

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You didn’t just say that?

bigtex,

Do you think the top earners are paying 35% of their money? They don’t take all their income as.. payroll they aren’t paying 35% on all their income.

Our government should be run like we all have to run our households. No matter how much or how little we earn, we should all be prioritizing how and where we spend our money. Our government is not good at this. Our elected leaders are more interested in programs to keep their seats in Congress, than the good of the people. I think the only thing that will get rid of the venomous environment in D.C. is term limits. That would pave the way for elected officials that really want to make a difference, instead of being there for the glory and the power.

test

Comment by M Period
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:56 pm If they would have taken the $600 they gave to just the people in the Chicago area and reinvested it into the city (by building that internet thing) they would have saved people who pay for their internet around $1000 a year alone (thus they would have saved more money than they got back). Plus the system had to be built, construction companies, contractors, all the industries hurt by the housing crisis would have had to be hired and paid that would have pumped billions of dollars back into that industry.

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And M Period, please justify why universal internet availability in Chicago is a priority over any other social programmes like education?

Most of the facilities for internet communication are set up. It would involve minimal additional facilities and certainly wouldn’t have the effect on the building industry you’re offering. No significant new industry would have come about. Certainly not on the scope you’re alluding to. Futhermore, saving each internet user $1000 a year (and please provide the basis for that) is taking money from the ISP who will supplement the loss through additional costs for another service.

You’re really reaching M Period.

Lower capital gains tax rates make up for the fact that a lot of Capital Gains are really not gains, just the change in value of the good old plummeting American Dollar.

Look at it this way. You invested $10 in 1990, and sold the same stock for $50 in 2008. According to the IRS Code you just made a capital gain of $40. In fact, you have not really made much of a gain at all, which would occur if you had taken the time to index capital gains for inflation.

Only problem is, that neither party believes that we can really take the hit on indexing capital gains for inflation so they put in the lower capital gains tax rate.

Then you have a bunch of know nothings who come along and look at the lower tax rate that you made on that paper profit of $40 and say you are getting a good deal.

Face it, either they have no idea about what they are talking about or they are not interested in fairness. Then there are those who are both, but then, I have already castigated liberals so I will not repeat myself here.

M Period

Some are and some are not. Best case in point is hedge fund managers. They are able to structure their business in such a way that they receive their earnings through capital gains. My personal thought on this example is that they should be required at the very least to take a certain portion of their earnings as ordinary income. Reality is that if you look at a tax chart, you will see that there are increases in tax rates as you move up the income ladder. Some income will be taxed at 10%, some at 15%,25%, on up to the top tax rate.

Furthermore, the vast majority of people in this country derive most of their income from ordinary income, but as with anything, there are always exceptions.

Tel..,

I’m not saying it should take priority. My point was that tax cuts and tax refunds when its need on infrastructure, or education, or fixing social security is shortsighted. As for Chicgao WiFi the original cost was estimated to be abotu 20 million the reason it was scraped was because it was found that it would cost more. As for loss revune for the companies who currently provide it internet, one of them would have had to actually provide the service I think it was between Earthlink or ATT.

Giving back and helping others is great and no one nation gives more to its own people and to other nations than the U.S.A.. For its monumental atruistic efforts in the world the U.S.A. is hated.

At home wealth is shared by foundations giving to universities, colleges, hospitals, medical research groups and on and on, which benefits everyone. Some will always say that’s not good enough and every individual below a certain threshold should be able to demand and then get a handout.

Giving needs to come from each individuals spiritual development, not from social experiments, government mandates, and forced altruism that steals incentives and thwart entrepreneurs.

bigtex,

I just think raising capital gains taxes and repealing the bush tax cuts aren’t bad.

Comment by RC MO.
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:08 pm
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Are you able to post on the Fox Embed blogs RC MO.?

A few including myself seem to have been banned.

Proudmale

You make a very good point. The same applies to our homes. A lot of the gain from you residence, if you have lived there a long time, is eroded by the interest you paid on the mortgage,property taxes, and insurance.

I have a dead beat sister-in-law who has three kids, and she won`t work. My wife feels sorry for her, and her kids, and wants me to help her pay her bills. I tried to explain to my wife that she is already getting help with her bills from the Government, so in fact I have already done my share. She smokes it up, drinks it up, and shoots it up, so she has already decided what is important to her. If I give her more money, she will just be misshandling two incomes instead of one, with the same outcome. I don`t want my family to do without, or suffer because of sombody elses lowlife lifestyle. I`m not rich, but I can understand why the rich do not want to support the poor. Their lifestyle is the problem, not the Government. As long as the socialists of this country keep pushing the pitty factor, and expecting working people to support the drunk, and lazy, we will all eventually go broke. The problem is, when there are no longer enough working people left to pay for all of the new poor people, we won`t even be able to get drunk with the original poor.

Michael in Atlanta writes…

How do thes peolpe sleep at night being so greedy and selfish.<<<

Yeah I wonder how Bill gates, for example, sleeps at night knowing he donates a minimum of $1.5 billion a year to charity. Shame on him.

M Period

I respect your opinion, but I respectfully disagree.

Smokey, No, they shut me down, and even pulled out some of my old posts.

Under communism everyone is equal……………..equally poor!

Smokey, That`s my point. Some people are in deep denial.

Comment by RC MO.
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Smokey, No, they shut me down, and even pulled out some of my old posts.
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The Fox thought police are watching. I hope Carl Cameron lays the smack down on ‘em.

Just kidding moderator people. LOLOL!!!!

RC MO writes

Smokey, No, they shut me down, and even pulled out some of my old posts.<<<<

Fox Embeds froze up at about 11:00 AM yesterday and were down all day. It looks like the same thing happened today.

Smokey, Do you think we have been banned, or do you think it is a computer problem? Who else is having trouble? For me, it started yesterday morning, around 2:00am.

Scott 919, Obama has a hacker on the payroll.

RC MO

I think it was a computer problem. Almost no post in last 24 hours. I have never been able to post on Fox embeds, only Camerons Corner. Any thoughts on that?

Comment by RC MO.
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:29 pm I have a dead beat sister-in-law who has three kids, and she won`t work. My wife feels sorry for her, and her kids, and wants me to help her pay her bills. I tried to explain to my wife that she is already getting help with her bills from the Government, so in fact I have already done my share. She smokes it up, drinks it up, and shoots it up, so she has already decided what is important to her. If I give her more money, she will just be misshandling two incomes instead of one, with the same outcome. I don`t want my family to do without, or suffer because of sombody elses lowlife lifestyle. I`m not rich, but I can understand why the rich do not want to support the poor. Their lifestyle is the problem, not the Government. As long as the socialists of this country keep pushing the pitty factor, and expecting working people to support the drunk, and lazy, we will all eventually go broke. The problem is, when there are no longer enough working people left to pay for all of the new poor people, we won`t even be able to get drunk with the original poor.

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This is what some liberals interpret as greed or lack of empathy (Obama’s “not fair” selling ploy).

When the reality is, everything that woman is suffering is self inflicted and could be fixed simply by changing her lifestyle. Now factor in the children and the cycle gets perpetuated.

Do all people in low income families behave like that? No. My father and my mother emigrated to Australia in the 50’s. My father couldn’t speak the language but he worked hard (essentially ditch digging). I remember him telling me, payday he’d have these other workers coming to him asking for a loan because they’d blown their pay at the pub. My father had a wife and two daughters (I wasn’t born yet) to take care of, he’d refuse them. He got called a dago for his trouble. Yet the next pay period..there they were again.

A little personal responsibility would solve a lot of problems for people, rather than a lot of government.

Nothing like coming in last place in this primary and calling it “second” place ey?

Comment by Scott919
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:45 pm RC MO writes

Smokey, No, they shut me down, and even pulled out some of my old posts.<<<<

Fox Embeds froze up at about 11:00 AM yesterday and were down all day. It looks like the same thing happened today.

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A few of my posts have even disappeared from one board as well.

Bloody communists…lol.

bigtex writes…

I think it was a computer problem. Almost no post in last 24 hours. I have never been able to post on Fox embeds, only Camerons Corner. Any thoughts on that?<<<

i have usually only been able to post on Fox Embeds and only recently have been able to post on Cameron’s Corner. IT’S A VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY!!!!!!! LOL

Hello Scott919

I feel relieved. Thought it was from being a technological amoeba.

Guys, I don’t think that anyone is taking posts off the board. If anyone would get their posts taken off, my posts would be somewhere at the top of that list with my rapid comments.

I think its because of computer glitches as I have had this happen many times before. Some boards are active, some are not and I don’t think all boards can be attended to at the same time for one reason or another.

Comment by Make Iran Glow
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:02 pm Guys, I don’t think that anyone is taking posts off the board. If anyone would get their posts taken off, my posts would be somewhere at the top of that list with my rapid comments.

I think its because of computer glitches as I have had this happen many times before. Some boards are active, some are not and I don’t think all boards can be attended to at the same time for one reason or another.

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Make,

I’m curious what turns up with North Korea’s assisting Syria with their nuclear programme….the one that the Israels put their “stamp of approval” on a couple of months ago when they took it out.

Obama supporters got tired of hearing the truth about their man, so they complained about all of the racist bigots on the fox blogs. There you go, Obama`s change in action, and he is starting with the first amendment.

I can’t believe this – everything is always racist when it happens to a African American person but yet when it happens to a white tought luck. How can Hillary Clinton be blamed the fact that the polls in African American neighborhoods ran out of ballots – GIVE ME A BREAK.

OBAMA LOST – HE LOST. GET OVER IT.

WHINING IS GETTING OLD – HE POUTS LIKE A 3 YEAR OLD. How CAN HE MANAGE as PRESIDENT???

Comment by RC MO.
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:05 pm Obama supporters got tired of hearing the truth about their man, so they complained about all of the racist bigots on the fox blogs. There you go, Obama`s change in action, and he is starting with the first amendment.

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RC,

scroll up to earlier today. Obama has cancelled his next debate with Hillary. Now..why would he do that when it was scheduled weeks ago?

RC MO

Yes, the libs believe in Freedom of Speech, only in a selective way.

There is one big problem to try to make Obama into a carictature, since it needs to personafie his personalty. In previous attempts it worked since the personalities fit the picture (dukakakis, kerry, gore). His confident optimism, general bearing and personal strength makes this a big problem, in trying to stick a narrative on to him, which can transalted into one sentence or word, in other words the likable factor wieghs in above and beyond rhetoric or ideology, and make you insulated from sharp attacks. Thats the reason rep. rather see hillary win.

Tel, He knows it`s coming down to the wire. Hillary is going with a no holds barred attitude, and he knows what the questions will be about. The last round was tough on him, and he got lucky then. She is sixty years old, and this is her last chance. She will be tough on him, if for no other reason, out of pure desperation. I don`t know if Obama is smart, or just a wussy boy. A little of both I suppose.

I am thrilled to see the Obama/Hillary show continue, but am I the only person who is worried that the huge amount of money being spent now will have drastic effects for other races this fall. The Presidential, Senatorial, Congressional, and even most of the Statewide races will be funded.

But once you get below that level you are going to start seeing a big impact on what I call the bottom feeders of the political process. I am talking about the state legislative, county, city, and various boards such as school and regents. As an economist I know that people only have so much money that they can budget for donations — political and charitable.

I am retired now, but I think it would be fascinating to run a study to see how much the Obama/Hillary show is costing America’s charities and will cost Democratic “Bottom Feeders” this fall. If it does turn out that the money is not there, then the real legacy of 2008 could be a disasterous year for the Democratic “Farm Teams” using a Baseball comparison.

Does anybody else have any thoughts along these lines?

I thought I had been banned. Maybe it’s a computer issue……..?????

I released my ip address from my router and then renewed it. It came back the same address.
I then posted to a Camerons Corner blog and thought I was a technological wizard since it worked. Does not work on Fox Embed blog but at least I am not alone. It’s been like this for about ten days.

arie…I disagree I would rather BO get the nomination because McCain will get the moderate Hillary supporters. If Hillary wins the nom, she will get them all. By the way, did Michelle Obama play basketball at Rutgers?

I wonder how Ralph Nader did in the Penn. Primary?

He is a power house.

LOL!!!!!!1

MIG: why do people have these weird screennames anyway, or just irony..
anyway this one for you to keep you posted on your limited knowledge about middle east
the are two narratives in iraq,
It goes something like this: “While some of us believe we should not have gone to war in the first place, many now believe the US has some responsibility to prevent the sectarian violence that we believe threatens to pull Iraq apart. American leaders across the political spectrum believe the US should stay in Iraq until security improves. The American public generally agrees that a vibrant democracy in Iraq is central to US interests in the war on terror.”
Within this narrative, many Americans see two choices: a long-term US military presence, or a US withdrawal leading to sectarian warfare. But there is a third option for responsible US engagement in Iraq. The US commander in Iraq, General David Petraeus, cautioned more than a year ago that “there is no military solution [in the country], the solution is economic and political.”
other narrative:the United States helped overthrow the dictator Saddam Hussein, most in Iraq think the Americans have stayed too long. The US presence in Iraq fuels sectarian violence and has been a magnet for Al-Qaeda and other foreign fighters. Iraqis feel humiliated by the occupation and believe the US continues to stay in Iraq to justify building permanent military bases and to ensure access to Iraqi oil for American corporations. We want the US to announce a timetable for its departure. Violence will decrease when the Americans leave.”
This Iraqi narrative is confirmed by polling data. A recent ABC-BBC poll showed that over 70 percent of Iraqis wanted the US to leave Iraq

Proudmale

No thoughts on political contributions, but interesting question. As regards to charitable, only feel that higher taxes will decrease giving. I personally would rather donate to charitable organizations. The good ones get a higher percentage of the gifts to the needy than the gov’t.

Comment by arie
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:16 pm There is one big problem to try to make Obama into a carictature, since it needs to personafie his personalty. In previous attempts it worked since the personalities fit the picture (dukakakis, kerry, gore). His confident optimism, general bearing and personal strength makes this a big problem, in trying to stick a narrative on to him, which can transalted into one sentence or word, in other words the likable factor wieghs in above and beyond rhetoric or ideology, and make you insulated from sharp attacks. Thats the reason rep. rather see hillary win.

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So it’s not his 20 year intimate relationship with a paranoid delusional in Wright, his yet to be clarified relationship with Ayers, his wife’s harsh views on Americans and first time “real” pride in America. Or Obama’s poor performance when pressed in a debate, or his scathing and elitist views of rural Americans “clinging” to guns, God and racism?

Is it…how did you put it?….his “General bearing and personal strength” that made him lose this last run of states among Democrat voters?…you really expect to sell this stuff Arie/Ari?

Obama’s made himself into a caricature and rhetoric like yours contributes to the image.

Comment by goatboy from africa
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:23 pm
arie…I disagree I would rather BO get the nomination because McCain will get the moderate Hillary supporters. If Hillary wins the nom, she will get them all. By the way, did Michelle Obama play basketball at Rutgers?
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For the first time in her life she was proud of being a kn**py headed h*o.

Comment by proudmale
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:21 pm I am thrilled to see the Obama/Hillary show continue, but am I the only person who is worried that the huge amount of money being spent now will have drastic effects for other races this fall. The Presidential, Senatorial, Congressional, and even most of the Statewide races will be funded.

But once you get below that level you are going to start seeing a big impact on what I call the bottom feeders of the political process. I am talking about the state legislative, county, city, and various boards such as school and regents. As an economist I know that people only have so much money that they can budget for donations — political and charitable.

I am retired now, but I think it would be fascinating to run a study to see how much the Obama/Hillary show is costing America’s charities and will cost Democratic “Bottom Feeders” this fall. If it does turn out that the money is not there, then the real legacy of 2008 could be a disasterous year for the Democratic “Farm Teams” using a Baseball comparison.

Does anybody else have any thoughts along these lines?

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A funny aside on this. Here in Los Angeles, a morning talk show (not openly politically aligned) has two hosts, it’s essentially light morning banter in content. One of the hosts however, has been singing Obama’s praises constantly and has even boasted he’s sent funding to Obama’s campaign. This host received an email from Obama’s campaign this morning, thank him for his support…and asking for more money. Now did this affect the host? I doubt it, he’s still carrying water for Obama. But the stale note at the end of the email asking for money certainly rang over the airwaves.

As for the continued debacle of Hillary vs Obama…let the bloodletting continue.

Comment by arie
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:27 pm

MIG: why do people have these weird screennames anyway, or just irony..
anyway this one for you to keep you posted on your limited knowledge about middle east
the are two narratives in iraq,
It goes something like this: “While some of us believe we should not have gone to war in the first place, many now believe the US has some responsibility to prevent the sectarian violence that we believe threatens to pull Iraq apart. American leaders across the political spectrum believe the US should stay in Iraq until security improves. The American public generally agrees that a vibrant democracy in Iraq is central to US interests in the war on terror.”
Within this narrative, many Americans see two choices: a long-term US military presence, or a US withdrawal leading to sectarian warfare. But there is a third option for responsible US engagement in Iraq. The US commander in Iraq, General David Petraeus, cautioned more than a year ago that “there is no military solution [in the country], the solution is economic and political.”
other narrative:the United States helped overthrow the dictator Saddam Hussein, most in Iraq think the Americans have stayed too long. The US presence in Iraq fuels sectarian violence and has been a magnet for Al-Qaeda and other foreign fighters. Iraqis feel humiliated by the occupation and believe the US continues to stay in Iraq to justify building permanent military bases and to ensure access to Iraqi oil for American corporations. We want the US to announce a timetable for its departure. Violence will decrease when the Americans leave.”
This Iraqi narrative is confirmed by polling data. A recent ABC-BBC poll showed that over 70 percent of Iraqis wanted the US to leave Iraq
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This is an interesting cut and paste. I love the way the way the second section parses every shred of positive sentiment into the ash can.

Cant look in the future, some groups’ are crucial, like hispanics which are more in favour for Hillary, but immigration compounds problem to vote for Mccain. At some party comes together like with Rep, come summer or fall. Logical thing you should think to run together, if they want to to win in election instead of getting each other. On hand nobody seems to like these attacks but not bying that since they do work to a certain degree, especially for late voters.

Arie/Ari says:
MIG: why do people have these weird screennames anyway, or just irony..
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Exactly…is it Ari or Arie, or are you Arie pretending to be Ari or Ari pretending to be Arie?
Will the real Arie/Ari please stand up…please stand up…please stand up.
From the not so slim goatboy

andy this is just comon knowledge, read some articles on thinker website, and can understand why you have such a distorted view of the world sometimes

Comment by arie
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:37 pm Cant look in the future, some groups’ are crucial, like hispanics which are more in favour for Hillary, but immigration compounds problem to vote for Mccain. At some party comes together like with Rep, come summer or fall. Logical thing you should think to run together, if they want to to win in election instead of getting each other. On hand nobody seems to like these attacks but not bying that since they do work to a certain degree, especially for late voters.

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Ari/Arie…are you wiring your posts in? This question has no bearing on the discussion I know, but your syntax is abysmal.

Comment by Andylit
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:37 pm Comment by arie
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:27 pm

MIG: why do people have these weird screennames anyway, or just irony..

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Another thing, this “data” looks a touch on the old side. Do you have a date for your cut paste Ari/Arie?

Comment by proudmale
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:21 pm I am thrilled to see the Obama/Hillary show continue, but am I the only person who is worried that the huge amount of money being spent now will have drastic effects for other races this fall. The Presidential, Senatorial, Congressional, and even most of the Statewide races will be funded.
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On the other hand, the states that normally get a near zero turnout for the primaries are enjoying record numbers voting for local offices and initiatives.

I wouldn’t worry too much. Republicans have always given more to charities than Democrats.

As for the election funding, I’m not weeping. The Dems are rolling in dough in the Senate and House campaign coffers.

Tel thats not the point what if or when happened, the point is how the receiver handles it. Example Dukais was very bad in giving reply, so you sat there watching, and it reinforced what was said about him. At some point it has to fold together otherwise you just throw bullets in the air and never hit anything. Case in point, try stick label, caricaturize extreem liberal to a candidate, hopefully it starts to live its own life, but when person doesnt act or do these things, and has a very well structured reply it falls by the wayside,

Tel its from 23 april, you get all the news wire from Iraq
political and military
http://www.iraqupdates.com/index.php

Comment by arie
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:39 pm

andy this is just comon knowledge, read some articles on thinker website, and can understand why you have such a distorted view of the world sometimes
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I have found “common knowledge” to often be over rated and frequently just plain wrong.

Like I said, nice cut and paste, excellent parsing.

We like sources here, not just clips.

And, you type just like another inarticulate blogger who hangs here sometimes. Similar name, similar style, similar context. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Comment by arie
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:49 pm

Tel thats not the point what if or when happened, the point is how the receiver handles it. Example Dukais was very bad in giving reply, so you sat there watching, and it reinforced what was said about him. At some point it has to fold together otherwise you just throw bullets in the air and never hit anything. Case in point, try stick label, caricaturize extreem liberal to a candidate, hopefully it starts to live its own life, but when person doesnt act or do these things, and has a very well structured reply it falls by the wayside,
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I’ve read several of your posts over the last 20 minutes.

Are you drunk, or on medication? You are babbling, using 20 words where 5 will do the job.

Whatever points you are trying to make are VERY garbled.

Andy dont want to into this one at this time, but you can even check it yourself out that its is very debatable that when asserted of capital-gains tax cuts that in each instance, when the rate dropped, revenues from the tax increased. Congressional Budget Office (CBO) Revenue and Tax Policy Brief states that “[r]ising gains receipts in response to a rate cut are most likely to occur in the short run” and that investor responses to capital-gains tax cuts in the short term can “mislead observers.” On their website it explains the mechanics, thought already line of statement was wrong, so looked it up.

Far from it. maybe lack of sleep,and message was directed to someone else.

Comment by arie
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:06 pm Far from it. maybe lack of sleep,and message was directed to someone else.

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I concur with Andy…your writing is garbled and lacks coherence. It’s very difficult to understand what you’re trying to assert.

Comment by arie
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:02 pm

Andy dont want to into this one at this time, but you can even check it yourself out that its is very debatable that when asserted of capital-gains tax cuts that in each instance, when the rate dropped, revenues from the tax increased. Congressional Budget Office (CBO) Revenue and Tax Policy Brief states that “[r]ising gains receipts in response to a rate cut are most likely to occur in the short run” and that investor responses to capital-gains tax cuts in the short term can “mislead observers.” On their website it explains the mechanics, thought already line of statement was wrong, so looked it up.
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And who runs the CBO now?

You think the Dems are going to allow the CBO to present a rosy picture of the real effects of tax cuts?

And you think I have a distorted view of the world?

You won’t like the source, but you might actually learn something here

heritage.org/Research/Taxes/wm1835.cfm

Andy, I am not weeping over this either. I am about as conserveitive as they come. Also, I noted that the Senatorial and Congressional seats as well as most statewide seats will be fully funded.

My point is that the $300 million that Hillary and Obama have raised has got to have come from somewhere. I realize that a huge portion of this came from well funded, well thought out political organizations or by long time political doners.

However, a huge percentage of this has got to have come from discretionary spending by Americans. As I said I am now retired and do not have near the resources I used to be able to tap. But, I truly believe the following is a valid hypothesis:

1. A significant portion of the total donations to Hillary and Obama represents the donations that otherwise would have gone to Democratic “Bottom Feeders” later this year. If that is correct, then there might well be a huge Republican surge in “open” legislative seats this year due to lack of funds.

2. Another, perhaps even larger portion of the total donations to Hillary and Obama represent redirections of issue oriented donations. This lack of funding would show up later this year in the statements of issue oriented groups such as feminist, black, etc. advocacy centers.

3. Another portion would be a redirection of charitable donations. I think this would tend to be larger on the Obama side simply because of the history of donations to black churches within the larger black community. This would also come out later this year in the statements.

4. A decrease in discretionary spending such as making the donation and skipping the six pack this week etc. To the extent that this is occuring, it would be a factor in the developing recession.

Finally, since Americans do not save, the only other place the money could come from is the irrational act of borrowing the money to make the donation. I know that is the liberal way, but I think it is a little far out in this case.

Lloyd

That a repulican think tank, if you try make an argument at least try to find a source that at least attempt to be impartial

Comment by arie
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:25 pm

That a repulican think tank, if you try make an argument at least try to find a source that at least attempt to be impartial
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Like I said, read it and learn something about the economics of tax cuts. The fact that it is partisan by no means makes the NUMBERS wrong.

The CBO is currently the bastion of the liberal Dems. Why would you bother presenting that data as fact?

What you fail to understand is that it is perfectly acceptable to have partisan ideas, as long as you are honest about your leanings.

The sources you dredge up always seem to CLAIM to be non-partisan, but are in reality shills for leftist opinion. The sources I find are very clearly defined in terms of their goals and outlook.

April 23rd, 2008 at 7:02 pm Andy dont want to into this one at this time, but you can even check it yourself out that its is very debatable that when asserted of capital-gains tax cuts that in each instance, when the rate dropped, revenues from the tax increased. Congressional Budget Office (CBO) Revenue and Tax Policy Brief states that “[r]ising gains receipts in response to a rate cut are most likely to occur in the short run” and that investor responses to capital-gains tax cuts in the short term can “mislead observers.” On their website it explains the mechanics, thought already line of statement was wrong, so looked it up.

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Some commentary on Capital Gains Tax Increases.

Obama Pushes for Higher Investment Taxes
September 19, 2007 03:02 PM ET | James Pethokoukis

As part of his “Tax Fairness for the Middle Class” plan, Barack Obama is in favor of nearly doubling the capital-gains tax rate from 15 percent to 28 percent. Leaving the fairness issue aside for a moment—as well as the impact of higher taxes on economic growth—the Obama plan could also be called a “Ways in Which Government Can Collect More Taxes to Pay for New Spending” plan, since Democratic candidates are all scrambling to figure out ways to plausibly pay for new healthcare, education, and infrastructure spending if elected.

But Dan Clifton over at Strategas Research thinks the Dems may be disappointed by the ROT—return on taxes—from higher cap-gains rates. After reviewing the connections between changing cap-gains rates and government revenue during the past five decades, he concludes that higher cap gains could well be a revenue loser for Uncle Sam.

We examined the impact of capital-gains tax rates on investors realizing their gains. As the tax rate increases, investors hold their gains to avoid paying the higher tax. Conversely, lowering the capital-gains tax rate spurs realizations. Interestingly, the 1986 Tax Reform Act increased the capital-gains tax rate from 20 to 28 percent, but investors were given roughly three months before the tax increase was enacted into law. In turn, investors rushed to realize their gains before the higher tax rate kicked in, and capital-gains realizations remained depressed for nearly a decade thereafter with the higher tax rate in place…. Therefore, proposals to raise tax revenue from capital-gains tax increases will be scored as a net revenue gain to pay for new spending, but in reality, the tax revenue may not materialize, which will force tax increases elsewhere to pay for spending.

Comment by proudmale
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:23 pm

Andy, I am not weeping over this either. I am about as conserveitive as they come. Also, I noted that the Senatorial and Congressional seats as well as most statewide seats will be fully funded.
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The theory is interesting, but I suspect that the impact will not be that large.

It may impact the black community, but not as much as you think. BO also got a boatload of money from college kids, not your normal political or charity donors.

The Banshee’s money came mostly from wealthy max donors. No problem there.

Check out this site http://www.nptrust.org/philanthropy/philanthropy_stats.asp It offers up some interesting numbers.

86 percent of wealthy donors said they are most motivated to give by the notion of “meeting critical needs” and 83 percent said “giving back to society” is motivational.13

80 percent of wealthy donors surveyed said they are most likely to make contributions to educational organizations, with religious (72%) and health organizations (70%) following in popularity.13

Corporate foundations gave $4.2 billion in 2006 and 57% expect to give more in 2007.14

Corporate giving, including grants from corporate foundations, increased substantially by 18.5 percent, to $13.8 billion.9

Giving by the nation’s 2,600 grant making corporate foundations grew an estimated 6 percent in 2006 to a record 4.2 billion.14

57 percent of corporate foundations expect to increase their giving in 2007.14

Electronic gifts to the 187 organizations that provided figures for 2005 and 2006 grew by 37 percent, from $880.7 million to $1.2 billion, and eighty-five of those groups saw online gifts grow by more than 50 percent.9

In 2006, 83 percent of total contributions came from donations from individuals, including bequests.2

Comment by Andylit
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:37 pm Comment by proudmale
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:23 pm

Andy, I am not weeping over this either. I am about as conserveitive as they come. Also, I noted that the Senatorial and Congressional seats as well as most statewide seats will be fully funded.

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Don’t forget, Obama’s saying he doesn’t take special interest money but he’s been taking it from their law firms instead.

Add to this, Soros planned 40 million dollar smear campaign against McCain.

The most impressive Dem. gains, since the Clinton years, have been in the margins in state governships and state legislatures.

Comment by proudmale
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:23 pm Andy, I am not weeping over this either. I am about as conserveitive as they come. Also, I noted that the Senatorial and Congressional seats as well as most statewide seats will be fully funded.

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Also, take a look at what Unions are planning to spend on this election.

Comment by Tel…
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:52 pm

Comment by proudmale
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:23 pm Andy, I am not weeping over this either. I am about as conserveitive as they come. Also, I noted that the Senatorial and Congressional seats as well as most statewide seats will be fully funded.

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Also, take a look at what Unions are planning to spend on this election.
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That part is both staggering and frightening. Too bad no one can seem to enforce the laws that require Unions to allow members to disallow political use of dues.

Dream on andy, or maybe you also think e.g.BBC worldservice, int. news-wires, academic journals, Ny Times, etc. all belong to your great conspricay theory. Great you quote american thinker and carnegie, but these outlets have there own agenda BEFORE they even start to write a story, in other words you will know the conclusion even before you even bothered to read it.
Selffulling prophecy pursang.

On newspapers like christian science monitor, for iraq for unbiased info as previous and
http://icasualties.org/oif/
sure can use sometimes different sources, but at least try to back it up with other material.

Comment by arie
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:59 pm

Dream on andy, or maybe you also think e.g.BBC worldservice, int. news-wires, academic journals, Ny Times, etc. all belong to your great conspricay theory. Great you quote american thinker and carnegie, but these outlets have there own agenda BEFORE they even start to write a story, in other words you will know the conclusion even before you even bothered to read it.
Selffulling prophecy pursang.
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You are completely out of touch. The comments below are from the Managing Editor of Time Magazine.

Robert Stengel defied the traditional notion that journalists should be unbiased. “I didn’t go to journalism school,” Stengel said. “But this notion that journalism is objective, or must be objective is something that has always bothered me – because the notion about objectivity is in some ways a fantasy. I don’t know that there is as such a thing as objectivity.”

Stengel supported his claim by stating the role of journalists is not to ask questions, but answer them.

“[F]rom the time I came back, I have felt that we have to actually say, ‘We have a point of view about something and we feel strongly about it, we just have to be assertive about it and say it positively,’” Stengel said. “I don’t think people are looking for us to ask questions, I think they’re looking for us to answer questions.”

Let’s look at Capital from a different view. Instead of taxing the blasted thing, how about recognizing that it is what creates the standard of living that we all strive for.

My figures are a little bit out of date, but I remember attending a meeting Dr. Laffler during which he illustrated this value of capital. His numbers were from the early 1980s, but at that time, each American worker had approximately $55,000 worth of capital multiplying the value of their work.

Folks, capital is not an enemy or a dirty thing to be abhorred. Rather, it is the true Goose that lays our Golden Eggs. When you go to work, you use some sort of capital starting with the land and building, then either the office equipment (don’t forget the offsite data centers), or some sort of machinery. Perhaps your work involves driving an expensive vehicle etc.

The real point that I am not seeing made is that when we get new and updated machinery, we can do our work more efficiently.

For example, I can remember fighting the battle to get my people desktop computers rather than having them leave their desks and go to the “computer room” to do their “computer work”.

Then came the move from the IBM XT to the IBM AT, payed for itself with productivity even though they lasted only about 2 years.

Then I skipped the 80386 80386SX issue and fought to get them 80486 based machines. Again they only lasted about 2 years, then came the various processions of Pentiums, Pentium IIs, etc. This does not include all of the software.

When you are talking over 100 people the pesos start adding up fast. As the manager, I benefitted from the increased productivity. By producing more, my people could justifiably be paid more money.

But — somebody needed to buy the computers etc. That is what Capital is, not some abstract thing. Why in the hell should they not share in the wealth that their investment was creating? It would be selfish for me as the manager to say Mine. All Mine. Further, it would also be selfish of my team to similarily say Ours. All Ours. The fact of the matter is that we had a silent partner who put up the money and was therefore entitled to a return on their investment.

For any and all who doubt, got to http://www.mrc.org/

Go there KNOWING that the organization believes there is a liberal bias in the MSM.

With that knowledge, discard 90% of what you read there.

Leaving only 10%, you still end up with an utterly disgraceful state of affairs in the US and abroad.

I suggest this http://www.mrc.org/biasbasics/biasbasics3.asp#TV%20and%20Newspaper%20Journalists for a starter.

For any and all who doubt, got to http://www.mrc.org/

Go there KNOWING that the organization believes there is a liberal bias in the MSM.

With that knowledge, discard 90% of what you read there.

Leaving only 10%, you still end up with an utterly disgraceful state of affairs in the US and abroad.

I suggest this mrc.org/biasbasics/biasbasics3.asp#TV%20and%20Newspaper%20Journalists for a starter.

Andy and Arie,

I guess part of what I am thinking about is that Obama claims to have about 1.3 million unique contributers to his campaign. I know a lot of them are students. Perhaps it is because I worked my way through college in the “dark ages”, but my experiences back then were that students were tighter than a Marine drumhead. If somebody tried getting an extra piece from the pizza, they were next on our sacraficial alter. Times might have changed, but I am betting that students are still fairly cheap.

Bring Obama to jamaica and feeeel alright.

Oh man……..workin on my tan!

The fact that John McCain collaborated with the enemy is irrefutable, since he wrote about it.

U.S. Navy pilot John McCain was shot down on his 23rd mission over North Vietnam, October 26, 1967. He was released March 1973 after being held captive by the North Vietnamese for 5-1/2 years.

Within days of his release, McCain wrote the following account of his captivity, which was published in :
“I think it was on the fourth day [after being shot down] that two guards came in, instead of one. One of them pulled back the blanket to show the other guard my injury. I looked at my knee. It was about the size of a football . . . when I saw it, I said to the guard, ‘O.K., get the officer’ . . . an officer came in after a few minutes. It was the man that we came to know very well as ‘The Bug.’ He was a psychotic torturer, one of the worst fiends that we had to deal with. I said, ‘O.K., I’ll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital.’”

Here ya go. Dig in. Get sick.

http://www.mrc.org/biasbasics/biasbasics1.asp

Comment by Nick Mitchell
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:30 pm

The fact that John McCain collaborated with the enemy is irrefutable, since he wrote about it.

U.S. Navy pilot John McCain was shot down on his 23rd mission over North Vietnam, October 26, 1967. He was released March 1973 after being held captive by the North Vietnamese for 5-1/2 years.

Within days of his release, McCain wrote the following account of his captivity, which was published in :
“I think it was on the fourth day [after being shot down] that two guards came in, instead of one. One of them pulled back the blanket to show the other guard my injury. I looked at my knee. It was about the size of a football . . . when I saw it, I said to the guard, ‘O.K., get the officer’ . . . an officer came in after a few minutes. It was the man that we came to know very well as ‘The Bug.’ He was a psychotic torturer, one of the worst fiends that we had to deal with. I said, ‘O.K., I’ll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital.’”
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Of course, you don’t bother to continue the narrative. He gave the names of cities already bombed as future targets, etc. And, they tortured him anyway.

For all you pea brains who think this bit of history is meaningful today, I give you this name to research.

Colonel Leo Thorsness, USAF (Ret.), POW, Medal of Honor.

Colonel Thorsness has endorsed McCain. Look him up and discover why this endorsement BURIES any of the collaboration nonsense.

And if you can’t figure it out when you read Thorsness’ bio, you probably aren’t bright enough to vote.

Zbigniew Brzezineki’s daughter Mika is a reporter/cohost on MSNBC Morning Joe

Comment by proudmale
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:29 pm

Andy and Arie,

I guess part of what I am thinking about is that Obama claims to have about 1.3 million unique contributers to his campaign. I know a lot of them are students. Perhaps it is because I worked my way through college in the “dark ages”, but my experiences back then were that students were tighter than a Marine drumhead. If somebody tried getting an extra piece from the pizza, they were next on our sacraficial alter. Times might have changed, but I am betting that students are still fairly cheap.
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That’s exactly my point. The money flow to charities will not really be effected by the heavy campaign spending. The “excess” is coming mostly free tightwad kids who wouldn’t know a charity if it jumped out and bit them on the ass.

Comment by TRUTH-BE-KNOWN
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:40 pm

Zbigniew Brzezineki’s daughter Mika is a reporter/cohost on MSNBC Morning Joe
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He also has half his tribe working in the State Department.

Andy as usual you to turn things upside down. First objective:shedding light and understanding with the conviction that truth is the beginning to solutions.
Free to be an independent voice, devoid of the corporate allegiances and pressures
csmonitor

Andy,

Then you are saying that the college kids donations to Obama are coming out of consumer spending? That is my possibility 4 from above. That would be helping to feed the recession.

I guess that we still need to hold open the possibility that some of the humanities students are just adding their donations to their student loans.

Comment by arie
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:47 pm

Andy as usual you to turn things upside down. First objective:shedding light and understanding with the conviction that truth is the beginning to solutions.
Free to be an independent voice, devoid of the corporate allegiances and pressures
csmonitor
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If the above statement is supposed to make sense in any known language, you have failed.

Here’s the deal. Journalists are SUPPOSED to have no bias, no leanings and no agenda. PERIOD. END OF STORY.

Editorial clearly content should be labeled as such and should NEVER drift into straight news.

Here is a small chunk of the Ethical Standards section of the Society of Professional Journalists.

http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp Too bad the vast majority of journalists think this code of ethics is a suggestion to be discarded at will.

Seek Truth and Report It
Journalists should be honest, fair and courageous in gathering, reporting and interpreting information.

Journalists should:

— Test the accuracy of information from all sources and exercise care to avoid inadvertent error. Deliberate distortion is never permissible.
— Diligently seek out subjects of news stories to give them the opportunity to respond to allegations of wrongdoing.
— Identify sources whenever feasible. The public is entitled to as much information as possible on sources’ reliability.
— Always question sources’ motives before promising anonymity. Clarify conditions attached to any promise made in exchange for information. Keep promises.
— Make certain that headlines, news teases and promotional material, photos, video, audio, graphics, sound bites and quotations do not misrepresent. They should not oversimplify or highlight incidents out of context.
— Never distort the content of news photos or video. Image enhancement for technical clarity is always permissible. Label montages and photo illustrations.
— Avoid misleading re-enactments or staged news events. If re-enactment is necessary to tell a story, label it.
— Avoid undercover or other surreptitious methods of gathering information except when traditional open methods will not yield information vital to the public. Use of such methods should be explained as part of the story
— Never plagiarize.
— Tell the story of the diversity and magnitude of the human experience boldly, even when it is unpopular to do so.
— Examine their own cultural values and avoid imposing those values on others.
— Avoid stereotyping by race, gender, age, religion, ethnicity, geography, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance or social status.
— Support the open exchange of views, even views they find repugnant.
— Give voice to the voiceless; official and unofficial sources of information can be equally valid.
— Distinguish between advocacy and news reporting. Analysis and commentary should be labeled and not misrepresent fact or context.
— Distinguish news from advertising and shun hybrids that blur the lines between the two.
— Recognize a special obligation to ensure that the public’s business is conducted in the open and that government records are open to inspection.

Comment by proudmale
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:51 pm

Andy,

Then you are saying that the college kids donations to Obama are coming out of consumer spending? That is my possibility 4 from above. That would be helping to feed the recession.

I guess that we still need to hold open the possibility that some of the humanities students are just adding their donations to their student loans.
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It’s a drop in the bucket. Truly near nothing in comparison with the annual consumer spending and/or charitable giving in any given year.

Please, be realistic. How much more is being spent this election cycle by Dem candidates than in the last cycle? In the grand scheme of our economy, this is a pimple on a flea’s behind.

Time to hit the road for the night.

Maybe nobody noticed it, but Mccain eventhough he should or could have taken a lead in the national polls in recent weeks, he did not. They still have to come to write a narrative on him or reply why he changed his postion on so many key issues; Tax-cut, abortion, gun-control, immigration. Just in news he is against equal paybill for women, since according to him it can increase lawsuits. Whatever, but think not great to reach out to women voters. Furthermore its quite now, come summer media start scrutinize him more closely, his dealings with Donald Diamond, a rich real estate developer in Arizona, who he allegeldy helped gain a very lucrative deal (who is also a primary fundraiser for Mccain). Tax return of Cindy will become an issue, like it did with Kerry, and his medical records has been not yet released as promised.

Comment by TRUTH-BE-KNOWN
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Here is another video of Zbigniew
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I couldn’t really hear the audio wasn’t that good on my computer….but thanks, there was an article posted about 2 weeks ago..that I started reading and when I went back to it I guess I didn’t save it cause I can find it now…Do you have any articles on him?

THanks for all you video clips…

Arie

You have ignored my question to you on three occasions. Let me ask it again:

Are you Arabic or Israeli? , Muslim or Jewish?

What will weigh more when the supers vote:

The popular vote – as Al Gore was crowned President in 2000 because of this.

Delegate vote – as Al Gore lost the Presidency because of this.

Electability – as was the stated case for the supers due to McGovern.

This may be thinking way ahead for Democrats, but what would happen should the supers overturn either the results of the popular vote, or the delegate leader and end up losing the General anyway? Wouldn’t there be a lot of arm chair quarterbacks out there saying “I told you so!”? What would be the effect on future elections for the Dems?

The Democratic Party really needs to understand the effects of the decisions they make long-term, not for what the flavor of the day is. Another example of this short-term thinking is the Debacle in Florida and Michigan with not counting peoples votes.

Comment by American Woman
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Comment by TRUTH-BE-KNOWN
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Here is another video of Zbigniew
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I couldn’t really hear the audio wasn’t that good on my computer….but thanks, there was an article posted about 2 weeks ago..that I started reading and when I went back to it I guess I didn’t save it cause I can find it now…Do you have any articles on him?

THanks for all you video clips…
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http://emperors-clothes.com/interviews/brz.htm#II

Is there any truth about the News: “Elizabeth Edwards is going to support Senator Clinton?

I do hope so…

Vote Senator Hillary Clinton for President and Senator Edwards as Vice President!!!

Comment by TRUTH-BE-KNOWN
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:55 pm
Comment by American Woman
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Comment by TRUTH-BE-KNOWN
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Here is another video of Zbigniew
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I couldn’t really hear the audio wasn’t that good on my computer….but thanks, there was an article posted about 2 weeks ago..that I started reading and when I went back to it I guess I didn’t save it cause I can find it now…Do you have any articles on him?

THanks for all you video clips…
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http://emperors-clothes.com/interviews/brz.htm#I
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This site has an interview, but maybe the wrong…………….

Andylit-

Your facts were a little off. So I wanted to help you out a bit. You wrote the following:

Of course, you don’t bother to continue the narrative. He gave the names of cities already bombed as future targets, etc. And, they tortured him anyway.

For all you pea brains who think this bit of history is meaningful today, I give you this name to research.

Colonel Leo Thorsness, USAF (Ret.), POW, Medal of Honor.

Colonel Thorsness has endorsed McCain. Look him up and discover why this endorsement BURIES any of the collaboration nonsense.

And if you can’t figure it out when you read Thorsness’ bio, you probably aren’t bright enough to vote.

Andylit-

First of all, I’m not really interested in political endorsements. I’m only interested in the truth. McCain admitted to collaborating with the enemy. What part of that sentence don’t you understand? Read it a couple of times and let it sink in for a while.

Second, this collaboration with the enemy that John McCain admits, which you refer to as “nonsense,” went much further than what you would have us all believe:

“. . .two weeks into his stay at the Vietnamese hospital, the Hanoi press began quoting him. It was not ‘name rank and serial number, or kill me’. as specified by the military code of conduct. McCain divulged specific military information: he gave the name of the aircraft carrier on which he was based, the number of U.S. pilots that had been lost, the number of aircraft in his flight formation, as well as information about the location of rescue ships.” (Doug Valentine) author of The Pheonix Program

McCain’s handlers were very much aware that he would be under great psychological pressure not to do or say anything that would tarnigh the name of his famous military family.

In fact, the COMMUNISTS considered that to be the key to eventually breaking and then “turning” their “special” prisoner, using blackmail if necessary.

According to U.S. government documents, within a week of POW McCain being transferred to the Gai Lam military hospital, the Hanoi press began quoting him giving specific military information.

One report dated Nov. 9, 1967 read, “The question of the correspondent, McCain answered: “My assignment in to the Oriskany, I told myself, was due to serious losses of pilots, which were sustained by this aircraft carrier (due to raids on the North Vietnamese Territory * VNA), and which necessitated replacements. From 10 to 12 pilots were transferred like me from the forest to the Oriskany. Before I was shot down, we had made several sorties. Al together, I made about 23 flights over North Vietnam.”

In that article, McCain was further quoted describing the number of aircraft in his flight, information about rescue ships, and the order of which his attack was supposed to take place.

Here’s a bit more information:

Source: Special Two-Part Series Article By Ted Sampley
THE U.S. VETERAN DISPATCH, JULY 1995, SPECIAL EDITION

While a prisoner of war, McCain was treated as a “special prisoner,” with privileges including being given his own private and affectionate nurse.

McCain’s treatment as a “special prisoner” is a contradiction to his much publicized image of a great war hero who was severely tortured and kept in solitary confinement for long period’s of time because he refused to break during interrogation.

Ted Guy, a former Air Force Colonel held 5 1/2 years by the Vietnamese and McCain’s senior ranking officer (SRO) in the POW camp, told the U.S. Veteran Dispatch he cannot remember the communists ever laying a hand on McCain.

Other sources have told the U.S. Veteran Dispatch that the Vietnamese are holding as much as fifty hours of film footage secretly taken of McCain during the time his KGB-trained handlers had him isolated from other U.S. prisoners of war.

Some of the film, according to the sources, is of McCain receiving special privileges during the time he claims he was being tortured and held in long-term solitary confinement.

The sources say interrogators have candid camera footage of McCain with the nurse, who allegedly supplied him with more than just medical attention during those lonely days and nights in so-called solitary confinement.

In June 1992, Trung Hieu, a film director from the Vietnamese Ministry of Culture and former North Vietnamese Army photographer, told the U.S. Veteran Dispatch that Hanoi does have considerable film of POW McCain and some of it involves a Vietnamese woman.

Trung, who worked during the war as an official photographer in North Vietnam’s POW camps, was in the United States seeking political asylum when he told the U.S. Veterans Dispatch about the film.

Trung also said that during the war he photographed a nearly intact B-52 bomber, which was shot down at the edge of an air field near Hanoi in December 1972. He said the North Vietnamese traded the B-52 and some of its surviving crew members to the Soviets for three MIG-23 jet interceptors. Trung said the Soviets wanted to interrogate the crew about U.S. electronic warfare.

Trung said he took movie film of an American F-111 fighter bomber also shot down in 1972. He said the F-111 capsule, along with the surviving crew, was sent to China. The crew, according to Trung, was later returned to Hanoi.

McCain, who was a member of the 1992 Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, argued emotionally during the hearings that “none of the returned U.S. prisoners of war released by Vietnam were ever interrogated by the Soviets.”

Trung has said Hanoi has a large, secret vault containing shelves loaded with POW/MIA related film, which it has never allowed the U.S. government to view.

Gene Brown, who was employed by the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) for a period of time in 1992 and 1993, told the U.S. Veteran Dispatch that, while in Hanoi, he had been inside a vault which contained wall-to-wall film and that there appeared to be approximately 50 hours of film about McCain.

Brown, who was in Hanoi secretly working for the DIA under the code name “Druid Smoke” succeeded in smuggling nearly 4,500 photographs out of Hanoi by buying them from Communist officials with money supplied by the DIA. The photos, most of which had never been seen by the U.S. government, were taken during the Vietnam War and depicted, Americans killed in the war and the wreckage of many U.S. aircraft.

To avoid embarrassing the COMMUNISTS, USG officials declared the release of Brown’s black market photographs “important progress” and “unprecedented cooperation” toward resolving the POW/MIA issue and publicly thanked the Vietnamese for their cooperation.

Garnett Bell, a 30 year employee of DOD and former chief of the U.S. office for POW/MIA Affairs in Hanoi, told the U.S. Veteran Dispatch that he had actually seen some film footage of McCain taken by the Vietnamese when McCain did not know he was being filmed.

Last month the United Press International (UPI) quoted the Cambodian Khmer Rouge accusing McCain of being a “Vietnamese Agent.”

“Who is John McCain?” the rebel group asked rhetorically in a radio broad-case monitored in Bangkok.

“He is Vietnamese. He has a Vietnamese wife and Vietnamese children. He is an American by nationality, but he is a Vietnamese agent…”

MCCAIN THE COLLABORATOR
From the first days of McCain’s captivity, he seriously violated the Military Code of Conduct, which outlines the basic responsibilitiese and obligations of members of the Armed Forces of the United States who have been captured by the enemy.

According to documentation obtained by the U.S. Veteran Dispatch, not only did POW McCain promise to give the COMMUNISTS “military information” in exchange for special hospital care not ordinarily available to U.S. prisoners, but he also made numerous anti-war radio broadcasts.

Article V of the Code of Conduct is very specific in declaring that U.S. military personnel are required to avoid answering questions to the utmost of their ability and to make no oral or written statements disloyal to the United States and its allies or harmful to their cause. Any violation of this code is considered collaborating with the enemy.

Nick Mitchell,Have You ever been in the position to have to adhere to the Millitary Code of Conduct? Has your life ever been in danger? Have you ever been held captive for ant reason, or for any amount of time? Have you ever been in any prison or jail in another country? Have you ever been in jail or prison in this country? Have you ever been injured, and not been able to get medical attention? Have you ever spent your whole life preparing for the Millitary, just to find out what war really is? Have you ever been to war? Would you go to war, for any reason? Have you ever been interviewed by a communist reporter? Have you ever been forced to speak on communist radio, or television? If you can`t answer these questions with a yes, then you have no idea what you are talking about.