Regarding NEW STRATEGY !
Just Stress THE FACTS to
DNC & SuperDelegates !
(FACT IS: Clinton Has Lost ENTIRE BLACK VOTE !)

It is absolutely amazing how the media is spinning the Clinton victory in Pennsylvania…..regardless of the facts. First of all, although she was leading in the polls by over 22%, she won by 9.4%….not ‘double digits’ which sounds so much more like a blowout. Secondly, unless Hillary wins every remaining primary by 76% or more, it is absolutley mathematically impossible for her to catch Obama in the pledged delegate count. That’s just a fact. Obama is leading in delegate count, number of states won and popular vote, even though now she has convinced some in the media to count the votes in Michigan and Florida to claim a lead in popular vote, although the fact is…..those states don’t count.

While the media is dissecting the demographics, for some reason they keep leaving one verrrrry important statistic out of their breakdown. The Major Fact Is…..BILLARY HAS ALIENATED AND LOST THE ENTIRE BLACK VOTE ! Where’s THAT fact ? And they have the gall to think that they can claim her to be more electable to superdelegates…….with close to zero black support……ARE THEY NUTS ???????? Hillary Clinton is the first democratic presidential nominee in modern day history to lose the entire black vote ! That, too, is a fact !

THE STRATEGY IS SIMPLE:

It is time for EVERYONE to contact the DNC and every superdelegate that we can trace and remind them that due to her own actions HILLARY HAS LOST THE ENTIRE BLACK VOTE ! How in the world could she and Bill have the nerve to claim more electabilty when they have lost an entire race of people….the very group that the Democratic Party has always been able to count on.

SPEAK OUT !!!!

TIME TO MAKE CALLS….SEND EMAILS….CALL RADIO TALK SHOWS….EVERY WAY YOU CAN THINK OF !!!!!! THEY MUST HEAR FROM US !!!!

Call The DNC TODAY at 202-863-8000 or contact them at Democrats.org.

This is in no way meant to be racial. We are all in this together….blacks, whites, young, old, rich and poor……working together for a better America. But the fact that the Clintons (formerly known as The First Black President)have lost the support of an entire race of people….is not only pitiful…..but should be made….a very well known FACT !

Visit: Blacks4Barack
(A Multi-Racial Organization Dedicated To Truth !)

SHARE THIS EVERYWHERE !

Comment by Greg Jones
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:14 pm

While the media is dissecting the demographics, for some reason they keep leaving one verrrrry important statistic out of their breakdown. The Major Fact Is…..BILLARY HAS ALIENATED AND LOST THE ENTIRE BLACK VOTE ! Where’s THAT fact ? And they have the gall to think that they can claim her to be more electable to superdelegates…….with close to zero black support……ARE THEY NUTS ???????? Hillary Clinton is the first democratic presidential nominee in modern day history to lose the entire black vote ! That, too, is a fact !
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I think you may be living in a BO mania bubble.

The revelations about BO’s inner circle and inner mind are going to continue and they are going to get worse.

Of course he is unelectable, just as she is.

You Dems have certainly worked yourself into a crack.

Greg,
You’re not really seriously maintaining that the black voters will vote (gasp) Republican if Senator Clinton were somehow selected as nominee are you? Using YOUR logic, ALL of the Senator Clinton supporters would switch parties in the general election. While I acknowledge that a sizeable polling percentage HAVE so claimed, an almost equal number of Senator Obama supporters likewise vow to do the same. Since I support NEITHER of these two candidates, it is really immaterial to me, but I AM curious as to your logic.

She may have lost the black vote now but if she ran most of them would back to her. If he won he wouldn’t get as many whites back.
He would not get the moderate dems and a whole bunch of other demographics. The Catholics whupped him last night and he didn’t get all those college kids as he expected.
McCulif says the delegates can change their minds at convention. Thats their rules. So, if they are pretty much even by then the Supers will look to electablility nation wide. They made Supers after McGovern. The people nominated him and he only won 1 state. They were determined that would never happen again. 8,000,000 more primary voters coming up.

Andy, did you try to get in during the day. I couldn’t to postings and not much was there. Were they just off or froze or what if you know.

The dims have created their own chaos. So much for elitism and polical correctness. ha.

Comment by Kathy WI
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:44 pm

Andy, did you try to get in during the day. I couldn’t to postings and not much was there. Were they just off or froze or what if you know.
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Seems to be intermittent. Happened yesterday also.

Kathy WI
I heard a lot of people yesterday complaining that they could post nothing durning the day. Might have been over loaded or something

Thank you. Good to know it isn’t me.
I was reading the CNN postings. My my, are they upset today.
A little bit ago, I about fell off my chair. Mathews said he really liked Hillarys speech last night.

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Notice how the Far Left anti-american groups and obama-goons complained about the ABC debate? They complained that the “tough” questions, relating to obama’s association with people at the fringes of society, have no relevance in this election.

They think that questioning obama’s JUDGEMENT, MORALITY, HONESTY, PATRIOTISM has no relevance to electing a president!

But did anyone hear them complaining when obama make an appearance in “The View”, where a bunch of liberal obama-loving ladies, interviewed obama on how he is has some ancestry blood relation to Brad Pitt?

LIKE BEING RELATED TO BRAD PITT IN SOMEWAY IS RELEVANT TO CHOOSING A PRESIDENT???????????

Michelle Obama – Wife, never was proud of her country prior to obama winning primaries.
REV. WRIGHT – Racist, anti-american, “God D@m^ America”.
TONY REZKO – Slumlord lowlife Scu^^,
AYERS – Unrepentent Terrorist
BLACK PANTHER – Left wing, racist thugs.
Louis Farrakkhan – Anti-American, racist Left Wing radical Muslim. Leader of Nation of Islam.
Oprah – Rich, racist, very liberal celebrity.
ACLU – Far Left Liberal Anti-American group.
Moveon.org – Far Left Liberal group.
Michael Moore – Far Left liberal fatty. Who’s fatter? Moore or a PIG?
Al Sharpton – Far Left Looser!
John Kerry – Very Rich, Far Left liberal politician, chronic FLIP-FLOPER, Bigtime LOOSER!
Ted Kennedy – Far Left liberal politician, bigtime LOOSER!

Get ready. Obama will be history soon. When Hillary wins this thing, obama will be added to the above list.
Hussein obama – Empty suit, extreme liberal, arrogant, elitist, Puppet of the FarLeft anti-american.

Well, jeez. Now I hear Hillary won’t even compete in NC. It is 32% black. There are only 2 more states that she could win.

I heard that the Supers will vote June 15th and it will be for Obama because if they didn’t there would be a war in the party. Well, I do remember Sharpton hinting as much some time ago.

Hi

Well this one works

Kathy WI
She’s short on money, so she’s fighting where she has a chance, NC she has no chance

The black vote is going to be put on Obama a black man no matter if he is experence enough to be president or not. That could be called racist. Now to another fact, Obama stand on the Gun Control issue and the clinging statement could have been what put him under in PA, I have news for Obama, Carl you can tell him that North Carolina is another state with thousands of hunters and gun owners and yes that live in small towns and we cling to our guns for hunting purposes not because we’re bitter.

Obama is anti-guns and there is no way around it!

Oh and someone said Hillary has no chance in North Carolina, I would not be saying that so fast if I were you, two weeks can make a different in how people vote.

Perhaps Obooma will appeal to the Pat Boone crowd?

Comment by Mike
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:30 pm
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Come on in Mike. Fox has shoe horned the regular bloggers into Camerons Corner and won’t let us “professionals” on the EMBED pages for some reason. We must be radio-active or something.

Hillary’s numbers have never gone up. Even the states she’s won she usually starts way up, Obama closes the gap and either overtakes her (as he’s done in the majority of the states) or she wins by a lesser number than she started with.I don’t even understand how Hillary supports can argue that she can still win. I have no problem with her being in the race, but nobody can realistically think she’s going to win the rest of the states 80 20 or whatever she has to win by to actually win the nomination.

goodtimepolitics, Clinton has a longer record than Obama being anti-guns

What will way more when the supers vote:

The popular vote – as Al Gore was crowned President in 2000 because of this.

Delegate vote – as Al Gore lost the Presidency because of this.

Electability – as was the stated case for the supers due to McGovern.

This may be thinking way ahead for Democrats, but what would happen should the supers overturn either the results of the popular vote, or the delegate leader and end up losing the General anyway? Wouldn’t there be a lot of arm chair quarterbacks out there saying “I told you so!”? What would be the effect on future elections for the Dems?

The Democratic Party really needs to understand the effects of the decisions they make long-term, not for what the flavor of the day is. Another example of this short-term thinking is the Debacle in Florida and Michigan with not counting peoples votes.

Barry,

Obama will more than likely win both the delegate and popular vote. Carolina has the same numbers as PA and he’s way up. It will more than likely erase any popular vote gains Clinton makes and she has no chance of making up the delegate count. Her only argument is to say he can’t win the general, but it hurts her that he’s winning in all the national polls against her. There’s really no way the democratic party can give her the nomination. Obama could lose the general, but the party can’t go into November with half the voters already pissed because they overturned the voters with no measurable reason. If she goes in with the popular lead, lead in national polls they could do it, but thats not going to happen. Rev Wright, and bitter really has not effect Obama’s support the only people worked up about it weren’t going to vote for him anyway.

What about Peurto Rico ? They hold a primary and Hillary could win a big popular vote there enough to make up for lose in NC…

Ok, if she makes up for her lose in NC she’s still down half a million votes

M Period

The point I was trying to make was the reason the supers were created was because of McGovern. What would have happened had they turned the election over to his opponent and they lost just as bad? If his opponent got the nod and lost anyway, wouldn’t the voters have been really mad because you decided to thwart the will of the people. If the people had chosen McGovern and he lost, they could live with that; however, if they overrode their votes and lost anyway there would be hell to pay because they felt their candidate could have won.

Unless you count Michigan and Florida and give Obama 0 votes in Michigan, its almost impossible for her to actually overtake any of his leads. And Obama’s popular vote lead is actually probably alot larger. Cacaus’ which he has dominated aren’t really counted in the popular vote. Actually votes for him, he’s probably up multiple millions.

Barry,

Ah yea I see what you mean. I honestly think the democratic party needs to ditch the super delegates, go to all primaries, and winner take all. It would give a much better representation of general election strength. Obviously they can’t do it this year, but in the future it would clear up all these problems.

M Period

Would you agree that the caucus forum favored Obama? As you stated, the popular vote was hard to determine in the caucus forum. If there was a true primary, would Obama still be leading in the popular and delegate vote? This is why they are even considering electability. The way the Democratic Party selects their candidate seems quite extraordinary. Why wouldn’t they have a process similar to the general election which could then take electability, for the most part, out of the equation?

Barry,

I just don’t see any, real argument that Clinton is more electable, she’s losing popular vote, delegate count and she’s down around 10 points nationally. I also would be worried that even when Obama is involved in controversy, her negatives go up, and she never really takes a lead in any polls. With all the Rev Wright, all the other side stuff, it stop his gaining on her, but she never gained any more support. I just seems like other than the hard core clinton fans, she never wins anyone over.

Alaska has alot of trees and wildlife.

They will probably go for Obama.

Chinatown likes Obama. Surprise!

Chow chow Mao mao!

It’s hard to say if Obama lost more votes because of Wright, etc. It’s hard to prove a negative.
Yep, if the dims nominated like repubs do, Hillary would have this. She is now ahead in the pop. vote. Counting FL & MI. 8 million more dem voters to go.

Yep, the dems hoisted them selves on their own petard with their crazy system. Oh, what web we weave when we practice to deceive. ha.

Kathy,

She’s ahead counting Michigan and Florida and not counting Washington state (becuase while they do have popular vote totals, they award by a cacus) also countingonly the Michigan votes that voted for her in Michigan and ignoring all the others who voted against her even when nobody else was on the ticket (200,000 or so votes). Its nice spin on her part to say she’s ahead but in reality is just another Clinton lie. But after 8 years of Bill and a couple years of Hillary’s lies would you expect anything less?

Just in… McCain has added a new religion to his repertoire. He is officially a Seven Day Adventist. I think he is up to eight denominations now. Once he converts to Judaism I’m on board.

Mc Love…..UNREAL!

Oregon will go for OB. They’re a far lefty state.
I think the supers will take a big poll all over the country. I know some people in early states that went for OB would now not vote for him after learning more about him. Then they will have a choice. For Ob and lose the general but save a war. Or for Hillary for more electablilty and a better chance and have a war. Even if delegates commit now they can, by their RULES, change their minds at convention. Thats what Terry McCulif says. Either way they have screwed them selves.

I know McCulif spins but I also know he has a lot of juice in the dem. party.
This is just our/my summer time entertainment watching them devour themselves.
I don’t get it. A couple years ago the dems thought the Clintons were the best thing that came down the pike. Now, I read hateful things about them from the dems posting on CNN, MSNBC.
I read Maureen Dowd in the NYT yesterday on RCP. What a hoot. Of course we know where she is coming from.

Yes, the dems need the black vote but also moderate dems, Independants, & other demograghics.

McLove, you have to add ha ha after your jokes.

McCain 08

Comment by Mc Love
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:02 pm
Just in… McCain has added a new religion to his repertoire. He is officially a Seven Day Adventist. I think he is up to eight denominations now. Once he converts to Judaism I’m on board.
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If McCain does Scientology count me in. I am almost clear now.

If Don Imus and Al Sharpton and Ditka was all running for Pres., who would win?

DA BEARS!!!!

McCain has already been “crowned” by the MSM as presumptive nominee and he can’t even get 3/4 of the GOP vote? Gee, think he might be having trouble with conservatives? Is it possible that there are still significant numbers of people who know that he’s really just a RINO? Could there be trouble in McParadise?

I was born with one nostril welded shut. Obama says he has a program for guys like me.

I’ll be able to breathe easier now thanks to Obama.

OBAMA IS ALL FOAM NO BEER!

The Democratic Party is a dog and pony show.

After Obama loses the nomination OR the General he should pack up and move to Berkeley, CA along with Dean, Pelosi and all his supporters.
They can put on fairy costumes and prance around the streets chanting “Yes we can” while John Mccain keeps this country safe.
Obama supporters are lemmings.

M Period I don’t remember Hillary wanting to ban hand guns completely. Obama sit on a anti-gun board that help fund the book “banning all hand guns”. Bill Clinton was in office and Hillary was first lady and I didn’t hear her say Bill try and ban all hand guns. Bill is now out of office and we people here in North Carolina still have out hand guns!

Sore left nuts,

LMAO!!!!!

You made beer come out my nostril!!!

Very funny!!! haha hehe!

Comment by Sore Left Nuts
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:50 pm

OBAMA IS ALL FOAM NO BEER!

The Democratic Party is a dog and pony show.

After Obama loses the nomination OR the General he should pack up and move to Berkeley, CA along with Dean, Pelosi and all his supporters.
They can put on fairy costumes and prance around the streets chanting “Yes we can” while John Mccain keeps this country safe.
Obama supporters are lemmings.

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Why do you call yourself “Sore Left Nuts?”

Are your nuts sore?

I’ve heard of ‘two left feet’ but do you have two (or more) left nuts (both/all of which are aching)?

Should drink so much, didn’t you know it will give you crazy dreams?

I agree Windy, Obama is a loser! Hillary broke him and he can never be put back together again!

M Period………….. From everything I’ve read/heard, Clintons don’t like automatic/assault type rifles. Hunting guns are ok, and handguns you need to be documented to make it harder for some of these punks running wanting to shoot everything up. I get this information from my Republican “gun totin’,
Bible huggin’” brother-in-law.

Also, as far as Michigan goes, Obama and Edwards were the only candidates not on the ticket. I LIVE in Michigan! Clinton got 55% of the vote, 40% were uncomitted…. divided at some percentage by Edwards and Obama.

Just so you know, I don’t think it’s nice spreading incorrect information.

Wendy, thats alot of “personal” questions.

Understandable though. Haha hehe!

I got shot by a punk with a ZIP gun, whatever the hell that is.

Obama says he’ll have a special program for guys like me.

Obama is da schizzle.

Under an Obama administration, I’d get a major tax deduction for having genital warts – he calls them dependents. Since each of them is worth a few thousand dollars, the government’s gonna owe ME millions per annum.

Wus up yo?

Obama yo shmizzle la doozle?

Obama will save the lemmings.

He loves aminals.

If you can’t win the big states, you can’t win in the general election…….The superdelegates will also have to consider the fact that the majority of Obama’s votes came for independants not democrat’s….These are the two main reasons why he won’t win the nomination! Nothing else matters.

McCain will kick Obama per annum.

The Dems are eating each other alive. They are doing Mccain’s job for him, by the time the Dems make up their mind who they want it won’t matter. Mccain will walk right into the WhiteHouse.
Mccain looks clean as a fresh fallen snow compaired to Obama or Clinton.
The Fat lady is singing for the Democratic party but their too busy yelling at each other to hear her.

Oh well…..

I guess the’ll have to bring back the Wig party to run against the Republicans in 4 years.

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Ron Paul Ron Paul Ron Paul!!!!!

McCain, Hilary, Obama… ALL THE SAME. Why don’t we call them all McHilarbama. McHilarbama isn’t going to make any major changes. It’s all talk!! All flip floppers… no integrity… no one honest. McHilarbama is just looking to get elected and will make promises just to get your vote. Ron Paul is the most searched for candidate because his supporters take time to look into his beliefs and aren’t just following part lines. Democrat… Republican… all the same. WAKE UP America!! Do your research instead of gobbling up what the news media tells you. God forbid you ever have to think for yourselves.

These are Obama’s buddies. DISGUSTING! Please watch!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rxoiZdBSi-g

Really this probably won’t matter too much….

Anyone following the whole Grain rice shortage?????

I think this article forgot to mention that McCain will have to unify the conservative base of the party or there will just not be the turnout that will be necessary for a win!

But if alot of the Dems are ticked and don’t vote or vote for Mccain then the lack of Republican turnout may not matter.

Who is fatter?

Michael Moore…….or a PIG?

Whats the difference???

Oh yea…sorry there is a difference…

The pig is cleaner…

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John Q

When are you going to type something?

Comment by John q
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:56 pm
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Ok John, that’s almost a sentence now………………..in some strange language

What do two dots mean in morse code?

I am constipated.

I wish some of those exit pollsters had bothered with the Republican primary also. I know the national attention is focused on the Dem battle royal, but WHOEVER they pick is not necessarily the one to win the general election. I’m curious as to:

Was the 16 percent vote for Ron Paul due to his anti-war stance or his more conservative creditials?

Was the 11 percent vote garnered by Huckabee an attempt to lift his VP credentials orwas it based on a perception of HIS supposed conservative creditials?

Would all the percentages have changed if Romney’s name had still been on the ballot?

I just wish the exit polls had asked these questions, instead of focusing JUST on the Dems’ demographics.

You can’t make too much out of these numbers (as Carl is trying to do).

Since McCain is the presumptive nominee (has the necessary number of delegates and all but Ron Paul have dropped out), one can readily argue that there is no real reason for Republicans to turn up at the polls- other than those interested in voting for someone (Paul or Huckabee) other than McCain. Paul’s numbers are fairly consistent with what they have been and the Huckabee votes are more than likely from those trying to get McCain to be more conservative.

That said- people need to see that Romney suspending when he did really was for the purpose of giving McCain the opportunity to solidify people behind him. That is working to some extent- but the fracturing of the Republicans can happen just as quickly and devisively as it is with the Dems, depending on who McCain picks for VP.

Many conservatives, like myself, are still very wary of him and want him to pick someone like Romney to shore up against the attacks (already coming from the Dems) of being weak on the economy. However, many southern social conservatives will threaten (and probably follow through) in sitting at home because they will refuse to vote for a Mormon. And some southern states could go Dem if Obama is the nominee and gets a huge black turnout.

Huckabee isn’t really an option. Can’t raise money and has no appeal outside of the south. And, I can’t really understand the southern social conservatives (ok, bigots) because McCain’s record on abortion and family is pretty good, so Huckabee isn’t needed for that. It sucks on things like taxes and immigration- but so does Huckabee’s.

I would like for him to consider JC Watts, but then he would be accused of pulling a race card and blacks will not go for Watts if they can choose Obama. Rice and Powell are too liberal on social issues and would cause the ticket to lose because conservatives would stay home. Crist in FL has appeal but only been in office, what two years? And with this economic downturn, FL is really starting to have some problems. The others mentioned just don’t have name recognition yet (although I would love Jeb Bush, but unfortunately, he has too much name recognition.)

The big problem is that in order to beat the huge increase in the past two years (sorry, not just Operation Chaos) in Democratic registration, the conservative turnout has to be huge or the independents have to swing heavily to McCain. Only being against someone does not energize enough to get the vote out. Although conservatives really hate Clinton and Obama has proven himself to be even worse, but still that is probably not enough on its own.

So McCain’s choice for VP and how people accept that choice will be huge. Fiscal conservatives want one candidate. Social conservatives of certain faiths oppose one candidate and only want one other. Those fearful of his age demand the choice be someone who could step in.

I agree with Karl Rove that the choice will probably be made in late July or early August not just to bring headlines to McCain, but to give some time for those disgruntled from his choice to “come back”. I would actually like to see it sooner so that the healing can begin before the healing in the Democrats can begin.

Mondell Dillard Jr., The media is only concerned with ratings, so exit polling for the purpose of pure research, would be a waste of time for them. No drama, so no need.

Mondell Dillard Jr., The media is only concerned with ratings, so exit polling for the purpose of pure research, would be a waste of time for them. No drama, so no need.

sorry about the double post. Big time computer problems.

http://cagle.com/working/080415/catalino.jpg

funny cartoons

http://www.cagle.com/news/ObamaBitte…ges/darcyw.jpg

lol

thats a good slap on obama face

http://www.cagle.com/news/ObamaBitte…ges/plante.jpg

this is very funny

cartoon of obama

Dean:
Actually Paul has only been running around 6.5 percent, so a jump to 16 percent must be based on something. I was just curious as to why.

I agree, RC MO, that the exit polling tendencies do appear to reflect that, but I would have thought they’d at least be curious (or biased, depending on your viewpoint) as to whether there was a large anti-war constituency voting in the Republican primary.

As an interesting side-note, I noticed one network reporting that Dem voters preferred change to experience (by a 2 to 1 margin) in how they voted. While normally this should have reflected a 2 to 1 victory for Senator Obama (the change candidate) over Senator Clinton (the experience candidate), obviously quite a few Dems who want change believe that Senator Clinton is the one to provide it.

Help perception! Vote in this OREGON poll!

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Hillary’s ahead! Keep her there!

http://www.kval.com

scroll down a lil bit, it’s on the right hand side.

VOTE!

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/

if you are already not a memeber at this forum

you should consider

check it out

is very nice and informative like this one

http://mediamatters.org/action_center/

this is good place to visit

they have clips of msnbc being sexist about hllary ,,,,david giving a funny pen about hillary to tucker ….

must go

and take action

Here’s a real photo of Obama on a tractor that reminds me of Dukakis in a tank:

http://cache.wonkette.com/assets/resources/2008/03/barrytr3.jpg

Mondell,

Paul pulled numbers like that in caucus states. And I can attest from attending my county convention where we elected delegates to state, that his followers are very motivated and well organized. (Unfortunately, just as whacky as he is, though)

So when the overall vote is lessend, as it was in PA because of no real reason to turn out, then his numbers would jump accordingly.

If Operation Chaos was a factor at all, it would be interesting to know who those Republicans would have voted for. I doubt very much any Paul supporter participated in Operation Chaos. With Huckabee’s name still on the ballot, I doubt his supporters did either. So if it was mostly people who would have voted for McCain (even if not as first choice), then that explains the high numbers for Paul.

Sonia, I checked out the picture of Obama on the tractor. He looks like a little kid on one of those 25 cent horse rides in front of Wal-Mart. He also looks like he is making little boy motor sounds with his lips.

Dean:
I can see where his PERCENTAGE would increase in a primary (assuming he maintained his numerical base) that only had about 2/3 the votes as here in Texas, but his VOTE COUNT went up by 55,000 (he only garnered a couple of votes under 70,000 in Texas). Is he really almost twice as popular in PA as in TX?

I think we need to address the situation with Iran funding and training the “special groups” to go into Iraq and kill American troops and Iraq people. We and our Iraqi partners need to make Iran realize this cannot continue..or I believe there cannot be any stability in Iraq.
Just my thoughts.
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Text of General Petraeus’ report on Iraq

April 8: Gen. David Petraeus told Congress that calculating a timeline for troop withdrawal from Iraq is “not a mathematical exercise.” NBC’s Jim Miklaszewski reports.

The following is parts of the opening statement of Gen. David Petraeus:
Since Ambassador Crocker and I appeared before you seven months ago, there has been significant but uneven security progress in Iraq…
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A number of factors have contributed to the progress that has been made. First, of course, has been the impact of increased numbers of Coalition and Iraqi Forces. You are well aware of the U.S. surge. Less recognized is that Iraq has also conducted a surge, adding well over 100,000 additional soldiers and police to the ranks of its security forces in 2007 and slowly increasing its capability to deploy and employ these forces.

A second factor has been the employment of Coalition and Iraqi Forces in the conduct of counterinsurgency operations across the country, deployed together to safeguard the Iraqi people, to pursue Al Qaeda-Iraq, to combat criminals and militia extremists, to foster local reconciliation, and to enable political and economic progress.

Another important factor has been the attitudinal shift among certain elements of the Iraqi population. Since the first Sunni “Awakening” in late 2006, Sunni communities in Iraq increasingly have rejected AQIs indiscriminate violence and extremist ideology. These communities also recognized that they could not share in Iraqs bounty if they didnt participate in the political arena. Over time, Awakenings have prompted tens of thousands of Iraqissome, former insurgentsto contribute to local security as so-called “Sons of Iraq.” With their assistance and with relentless pursuit of Al Qaeda-Iraq, the threat posed by AQIwhile still lethal and substantialhas been reduced significantly.

The recent flare-up in Basrah, southern Iraq, and Baghdad underscored the importance of the cease-fire declared by Moqtada al-Sadr last fall as another factor in the overall reduction in violence. Recently, of course, some militia elements became active again. Though a Sadr standdown order resolved the situation to a degree, the flare-up also highlighted the destructive role Iran has played in funding, training, arming, and directing the so-called Special Groups and generated renewed concern about Iran in the minds of many Iraqi leaders. Unchecked, the Special Groups pose the greatest long-term threat to the viability of a democratic Iraq.

As we look to the future, our task together with our Iraqi partners will be to build on the progress achieved and to deal with the many challenges that remain. I do believe that we can do this while continuing the ongoing drawdown of the surge forces.

Various elements push Iraqs ethno-sectarian competition toward violence. Terrorists, insurgents, militia extremists, and criminal gangs pose significant threats. Al Qaedas senior leaders, who still view Iraq as the central front in their global strategy, send funding, direction, and foreign fighters to Iraq. Actions by neighboring states compound Iraqs challenges.

Syria has taken some steps to reduce the flow of foreign fighters through its territory, but not enough to shut down the key network that supports AQI. And Iran has fueled the violence in a particularly damaging way, through its lethal support to the Special Groups. Finally, insufficient Iraqi governmental capacity, lingering sectarian mistrust, and corruption add to Iraqs problems.
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As our primary mission is to help protect the population, we closely monitor the number of Iraqi civilians killed due to violence.

gretawire.com has many open threads there are alot of Hillary supporters there.

I have to say I miss many of the bloggers that post on the Fox Embeds. I look forward to reading the posts.

Where have all the bloggers gone??

tt

KUDOS TO HILLARY FOR HER VICTORY IN PENN!!

As much as obama does not want to be potray as a “black candidate”, the blacks voting for obama irregardless of whether they agree with obama on his stands on issues, makes him a “black candidate”.

I mean obama getting > 90% of the black population clearly demostrated that they are voting along racial lines, irregardless of obama’s inexperience and inaction, his emptiness, his extreme liberal stances, his questional associations with radicals and extremist…

I dare make a prediction that Hillary will have come very close to obama in NC. This is because many independents, and undeciders will vote heavily in favor of Hillary, not because obama is black, but because ..
- he is extreme liberal stance,
- he has questionable associations with anti-americans and far-left groups,
- he is a PUPPET of the far-left, back by his masters in ACLU, Moveon.org, Michael Moore, Oprah etc.
- his wife anti-american and racist comments,
- he is not a true patriot (will not wear the flag pin, will not salute to the national anthem).
- he has ZERO executive experience, very limited senate experience,
- he is All-Speech-No-Action, (not voting Yes/No over 130 times in senate, merely declared “present”)
- he has ZERO accomplishment thus far in his political career.
(not voting Yes/No over 130 times in senate, merely declared “present”).
- he is just a typical scheming politician who will say anything to get votes,
- He arrogant and has an elitist attitude,
- He is a hypocrite (claiming that Hillary’s attack on him is “old washington politics”, but he himself running some of the most negative ads agains Hillary)

etc….

There’s a voting contingent that the media pundits have forgotten all about when figuring how things may go in November. I had an opportunity to hear a group of them talking in a restaurant a few weeks ago. That group is bigoted union Democrats. A friend of mine had to go on early retirement and he often meets a group of retired/still working people in this same restaurant. He’s a conservative and he
gets into a friendly banter with a large group of union Democrats about politics and issues. I met him one morning for coffee and during one of their “friendly” debates I heard several of them heatedly point out that they’d NEVER vote for a “G D N” My jaw dropped as this was the same kind of speech I heard from my father over 30 years ago before he died. It’s actually why I became a Republican at 18. These people, some retired, some still working amazed me with thinking like that. I thought that had long since past. These people, from their speech, were lifelong Democrats and many noted that they’d never voted Republican, but that would change if Obama is nominated. I wondered how big a group this is, and many said their other union Democrat friends felt the same way.

The 2008 Clinton vs. Obama Presidential Race Legacy:

“Back to back they faced each other,
Drew their swords and shot each other…”

Comment by American Woman
April 24th, 2008 at 2:59 am

Where have all the bloggers gone??
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Hopefully, the ones that have been contributing most of the vulgarities or personal attacks won’t have to keep warm any longer by sneaking into use the public library computers and will go live under bridges or in cardboard boxes until late next fall after the general election.

correction: sneaking indoors to use the public library computers…

American woman.
I have tried to post several times on this blog spot in the last two days.
Very few comments are appearing.
I am never vulgar or disrespectful.
There are certain words in posts that I think are trigger words.
I was trying to post about Iraq. It let me post Saddam’s first name but not his last. I wonder why????

I also tried to post about Obama’s friends and associates. The ones already public.
Each time I listed the names, the post did not appear.
I just tried posting on McCain saying the Rev W. is off limits.
I dare not write the rev’s name. to get this through.
That is where the bloggers are.
We are being censored with automated trigger words.

Hmmmmmmmm Interesting Jo Anne. Fox has been very tolerant. Let me test this.

Rev Wright, Mr. Rezko, Mr Ayers, Odinga, Osama, Saddam Hussien.

Db.
Try listing Obama’s known associates or Saddam’s last name.

Must have just been a glitch Jo Anne as they seem to be going through from my location.

I tried posting this on McCain says rev. Wright is off limits thread.
Maybe, if this posts, it is only certain threads.
Although I deeply respect John McCain, the Rev. Wright is important in considering Obama’s character.
rev Wright is merely one of many unsavory characters Obama surrounds himself with.
I disagree with McCain on this issue.
I believe Mccain and Clinton should should hammer his as well as the rest of Obama’s list of anti-American friends and associates.
These are just some of the names Obama has had to explain his relationship with. He has never disowned any of them, just parts of what they are.
Rev. Wright, Rezko, Farrakhan, Meeks, Ayers, Dohrn, Weather Underground, Nation of Islam, New Black Panthers, along with endorsements from Moore, MoveOn.org, Jane Fonda.
Seeing a pattern?
There are many associations of Obama who have yet to be brought up in mainstream media, however they are certainly mentioned in numerous blogs and Google searches.
Odinga, Khalidi, Sorros, Auchi and some insinuations from a guy named Larry Sinclair.
So Sen. McCain, I believe Americans are entitled to really know who we are voting for and I disapprove of news blackouts. That is selective journalism. Who needs that?
We need info, not censorship.

DB. Please try on the new blog thread.

Honestly most of those Paul voters will go Libertarian Party or Dem. I think WAR is their #1 issue. Huckabee voters are anti McCain votes in my eyes, they have to know he officially dropped out. Those few hundred thousand will determine Pennsyvania in the general.

Jo Anne,

I think I can explain that. What happens is when a new thread comes up, the comments made initially take some time before being posted. Not sure why that happens but given a couple minutes/hours all comments will be shown. Or at least I think they will as I have had the same thing happen to me before.

DB.
I have tried a couple of threads the last few days.
Some post, some never appear.

TJ,

I think you’re right with regards to the Paul voters and expect them to go for Nader as they want the troops out now regardless of consequence and both Reps and Dems are not going to pull out immediately. As for the Huckabee voters, they will vote for McCain in large part. For now though, they can make a statement as voting for Huckabee does not hurt.

Yep, I know what you mean Jo Anne as that too has happened to me. It’s almost as if they don’t have the link set up right.

By the way Jo Anne, I agree totally with your post.

By the way Jo Anne, I agree totally with your view on Rev Wright and the rest of the filthy assoicates Obama has.

Speaking of glitches. Sorry about that.

Dean, in PA republicans had local/state offices to vote for. All you see in our area of the state is Ron Paul supporters. Even the local GOP office has no McCain signs or such. I think the main reason McCain got as much vote as he did, the media here pretty much said(which is basically true)that McCain has the nomination. Being alot of elderly voters, they hear that and just check him in the booth. Ron Paul supporters are pretty much just totally behind him and want to go to convention. Huckabee supporters are trying to make a point to get McCain to address some of the conservative issues. Like, stem cell that he still supports and a few other issues I believe. Of course there were no exit polls done on the republican side, but I believe alot of the youth vote would have gone to Paul or Huckabee. I know my daughter can’t get behind McCain nor most of her college friends. But at least they aren’t following the pied piper blindly.

DB.
Did you see Howard Dean is selecting 25 people for the credentials committee.
How do you think Hillary Clinton will fare with a committee chosen by Dean?
He is an Obama supporter.

Jo Anne,

No I didn’t see that but needless to say it won’t bode well for Hillary. With that said, the superdelegates will make the difference now. Hillary has to convince them she is the better choice and the only way to do that is to pretty much win out now. NC, SD, OR are going to be really tough for her but if she can manage to win NC (which is what I’d concentrate on) then she may just have enough momentum to win the rest.

TJS,

If McCain picked Hucakabee as his running mate would your daughter and her friends get behind them?

DB.
I have great respect for McCain and Clinton.
Obama is not even a consideration.
Yesterday some of his supporters said they were organized to protest, even violently if Obama does not get the nomination.
That would be a bad move and definitely not a way to win the general elaction.
There are more non Obama supporters than just less than half of the Dems.
Obama would never, never, never win if that happens in the primary.

Obama will win the democrat nomination but he will lose big time in the general. The dem’s trying to be politically correct are going to have to wait 4 to 8 years for a chance at the White House again.

Jo Anne,

While I definitely agree Hillary is a much better choice for America then Obama, McCain is far and away a better representative of my views then either the dems. As for Obama’s people being organized and such, that wouldn’t happen even if he did not get the nomination (which I think unlikely for a couple reasons). He has an insurmountable delegate lead (minus the superdelegates) and I just can’t see the dems ever taking the chance of disenfranchising the minority vote with which they rely on so heavily throughout the nation.

I am not too sure. I think he would have to change his stance on stem cell for her. They were all Huckabee supporters, but not sure they put too much faith in the VP making a difference. They know that of course congress is pretty much the law makers but want a president that will have the same principles when it comes time to sign or veto. I have to say alot of it for some of them is his age. If I were in their shoes it could be an issue with me as well. Amnesty is a big issue with them as well and they see him to be wishy washy on the subject. His reply is usually that the citizens want the fence built first. But actually, we want them deported and the fence built. They see the unfairness of college aid given to illegals, when they are struggling to get aid,loans/grants and still have so much left to pay. I find it admirable that they look at issues, etc. instead of following a false prophet of change. I know they took issue when Michelle O. stated there is a problem still on campuses of blacks/whites seperating from each other. They don’t see and didn’t like her saying it. they feel it is being stirred up for her and her husband’s benefit.

barbara.
You are so right.
I am in Fl. The Dems don’t even want our votes.
Last night Dick Morris’ answer to “what about Clinton leading in popular vote”, was “Who cares”! “It is all about the delegates.”
Even Colmes said “why spend the taxpayers money holding elections”? Morris said it is for the psychological aspect only!
I knew it was only a matter of time, if they were allowed to disregard two states, the rest were sure to follow.
By the court saying the DNC was a private entity, none of American’s votes “really” count! Whoever the Dems choose is not dependent on who Americans want.
You are all being snookered. your votes do not matter. It’s all about who Dean and Pelosi want. It always has been.

So who is your daughter and her friends for now? Obama? Clinton?

My oldest daughter (23) just visited and she had an issue with McCains age too but what I found was she was completely unaware of the issues and basically used the age thing to give herself a reason to join the Rock Star group. After sitting for a couple hours and talking about all the issues and relaying all three candidates stances, she immediately eliminated Obama and is more inclined to vote for McCain.

DB.
I agree with you.
McCain is a respectable, strong, intelligent and compassionate man.
He is already a national hero.
If he chooses the right running mate, he is assuredly the man for the job.
I like Romney or Crist.
I would hate to lose Crist as Governor, but the man can balance a budget.
Romney is also a mathematical whizz.
I am originally from Boston.
I have great respect for Romney too. You would not believe how much he got done while having to contend with the Kennedy/Kerry machine up there.

Jo Anne,

I would be absolutely tweaked if I were in your position and I promise you I would vote against each and every politician involved in this decision. It is absolutely unbelievable that 4 million peoples votes would not count in America. The DEMOCRATS should answer for this!!

Jo Anne,

Dick Morris is a snake. I wouldn’t trust him with a 10 foot poll. Morris and Obama go together well. I have no worries about our next president and it won’t be Obama. If McCain does not go after Obama regarding the Wright issue Hannity will.

TJS….

McCains stances on those issues is far more solid than Obama or Hillary’s. I would prefer if McCain was a bit tougher on illegal immigration myself, but Hillary and Obama will welcome them with open arms, give them a big sloppy kiss, and a wad of cash to get them started.

Jo Anne,

You’re not a little biased to your home state Governors are you? ) Just Kidding. I like both but not real sure either brings McCain what he needs most. That being a national figure, that can help him win the swing states (OH, MI, WI, PA, NJ) or that can draw youth/independents from the dems.

DB.
Floridians are “HEATED” about the snub!
Like I said, I am originally from Boston.
I have been in Fl. eight years.
I am not used to having my rights trampled.
I was born in the birthplace of this country.
Although the court decided the DNC is private, it is full of publicly elected officials!
They all swore an oath to uphold the Constitution!
They should HONOR THAT OATH, even at the club known as the DNC!
In Florida, you will not find any campaign signs for ANY Democratic candidate, not even local ones.
We are not contributing money or services to candidates either.
McCain signs are all over the place.
Watch how this Florida/Michigan erupts. Some of these little old ladies are planning field trips to Denver.
You don’t tell people their votes do not count in the winter, springand summer, then ask them to vote for you in the fall, when their real vote will count!
How stupid are Dems going to get?

DB & Scott919 I can’t speak for all of them. But I know 100% for sure, my daughter would never consider either dem. She is ultra conservative. I think I have heard a couple of them are considering Clinton, mainly to go against Obama. But my daughter said if something doesn’t happen she just will miss out on her first vote ever. It disheartens me to hear the democrats discussing, how it would look to the new voters to go against Obama. I saw here and my friends and family in Texas that our republican youth were very excited also, but mainly for Huckabee. They could relate to him much better. I am personally an independent, and not happy with the RNC at all. My dad who has voted republican all his life, and is older than McCain, is disgusted as well. Trying to lean too much towards the liberals for most of us conservatives. Unfortunately, I think alot of the young republicans aren’t happy with the party already and looking elsewhere.

Jo Anne,

The DNC and democratic party as a whole are basically banking on the fact that they will not be held accountable for these actions come the general election. There is no other explanation why they would disenfranchise two critical states on the road to the Presidency.

Now the question becomes, are the democratic voters of FL and MI going to prove them wrong, holding them accountable or are you going to prove them right and let them get away with this.

Time will tell and if I were a betting man I’d bet…………………..

DB.
I like Romney for a special reason.
There is a little girl in Massachusetts named Haleigh Poutre. (Google her).
She was nearly beaten to death by her adoptive parents.
The little girl ended up in a coma.
Her doctors said she was in persistive vegatative state.
The dept of social services went to court and won the right to remove her from life support.
When her ventilator was shut off, Haleigh began breathing on her own. Dss wanted to remove hydration and nutrition then.
There was such a public outcry, whe a couple of news reporters found out, that it made to Romney.
Thank God!
Romney instantly took control.
He had Haleigh removed from DSS custody, had a guardian ad lidum appointyed. He immediately had hHaleigh moved to a Catholic children’s rehab. Catholics don’t “pull plugs”!
Not only is Haleigh Poutre still alive, she is aiding in the prosecution of her adoptive father.

DB.
The dems have the same chance as a snowball here. Too little too late!

If Ron Paul can still get 16 percent of the votes in PA after being black listed by the MSM and shut out, by Fox in the NH debates, than that says a lot about how many people are starting to wake up to the revolution of truth. Lets take our country back from the corporate media.

TJS,

Believe me, I have issues with McCain but I’ll never buy into the mindset that it is better not to vote then to vote for the person that best represents your views. McCain is that person and so he will get my vote and if for no other reason then for the tax issue or even Supreme Court Justices.

Sorry about the typos.
I am passionate about the story of that little girl and thankful for Romney and a Boston Globe reporter named Patricia Wen. They saved that child!

Foot note.
Heads rolled in Massachusetts Department of Social Services.
Romney shook up the department from the top down.
He is a good man!

TJS states…

Unfortunately, I think alot of the young republicans aren’t happy with the party already and looking elsewhere.<<<

That may be true. One the other hand I know several young voters who are very pro-McCain and I am noticing more and more young voters bucking the trend and supporting McCain. Also two lifelong hard core liberals I know (my boss and my….cough….wife) are both voting McCain as they can’t stand Hillary or obama so we’ll see how it plays out

He did the right thing and thank God he got invloved.

DB,

If we look at Rasmussens “Balance of Power” daily posts, the states up for grabs are (numbers in parentheses are electoral votes):

Leans Democratic: Iowa (7), Michigan (17), New Mexico (5), Pennsylvania (21) and Wisconsin (10).

Toss-Up: Colorado (9), Nevada (5), New Hampshire (4), and Ohio (20).

Leans Republican: Florida (27), Missouri (11), Virginia (13).

I am making the assumption that those states that are likely for one party or the other or are strongly for one party or the other are not in play. Could be a bad assumption if black turnout in the south (otherwise strong Republican) is huge.

Of those states above we look at where Romney placed: Iowa (2); MI (1), NM (vote June 3), PA (not on ballot but Santorum is one of his biggest supporters), WI (4th, but had suspended), CO (1), NV (1), NH (2), OH (?, had suspended a month before), FL (2), MO (strong 3rd), VA (4th, but had suspended).

So the must win toss ups of CO, NV, and NH- Romney would indeed help swing those to McCain and would keep FL, MO, and VA for McCain. Could possibly swing MI to McCain and probably IA. Romney also won in MN- hard to say if that would help in WI or not.

DB writes…

Time will tell and if I were a betting man I’d bet…………………..<<<<

Well as I was mentioning the other day they WILL seat Florida and Michigan or they can kiss both states goodbye in the general and there’s no chance the Democrats will win without of them. BUT they can seat them at such a time that it will or will not matter depending on what they want to happen. Basically Florida and Michigan give Dean and the DNC the power to completely override the primaries AND the Superdelegates and nominate who they want

Dean,

You may indeed be right. I’ll have to look into past elections and the demographics of each and see what I come up with. As for the turn out for the black voter, it will be significant but then again I believe the Republican turnout will be huge this time also given the dem candidates.

DB, I agree. I am hoping she will see that she can vote for him to keep the democrats away. And I feel she will, as opposed to their policies that she is. And my Dad will probably vote for him I don’t think in his 80 years of life he has ever not voted when he could. I just pray between now and November McCain will stiffen up on some policies and not waiver. Right now alot of these kids are trying to get their loans, etc for next fall and having alot of trouble. Loans are pretty much non existant, unless you have very perfect credit, which alot of students don’t have any credit, and grants have been cut in 1/2. I heard McCain saying that he was going to try and get an emergency bill into congress to pass for extra funding. If he does that, he will win alot of them for sure. My daughter is worrying about having enough money to get back in for next year. If someone doesn’t help them, the middle class students won’t have a chance. It will be only the rich and minorities going to college. My daughter is trying to transfer to a different college, she is waiting on 3 and they are waiting hoping for more funding.

DB.
Mccain / Romney makes good geographical sense.
Romney is strong from N.E. To at least Utah, across the north.
Mccain is also popular up there.
Mccain has Florida and across the south. The mid section Republicans most likely be impressed with that combo, especially if Paul and Huckabee have positions of value in the administration.
Charlie Crist is also a good choice due to his own ability to balance a checkbook, appeal to young people and is all inclusive when governing. He is Governor of all of us down here in Fl. Republicans, Democrats and no affiliation. We all like him!

Scott919,

I think they will seat them but divide the delegates equally as to assure Hillary makes no gains.

Dean
i think that Romney could be an asset. But I wonder how that would play with the FLDS saga in Texas. Feel MSM would have a field day with that, and would divert attention away from Obama and Wright. With that said, Romney was my first choice because of successful business background.

Dividing the delegates is the exact same as not seating them.
After the nomination decision is also the same.
Floridians will pay them back.
We are organized and patient.
We won’t riot. We will vote Republican straight down the ticket.
A lot of the snowbirds have already gone to their summer homes all over the country.
The are taking their message with them.
Down here, there are cultural and community centers in ever neighborhood,
This is all they talk about.
The ladies at the bingo hall want to put Howard Dean over their knee. (laughing)!

TJS,

Good news and bad news. First the bad news. As this is an election year, the economy will fluctuate until our next President is elected. For example, does anyone remember the summer before the 2004 election? Gas prices were soaring and the economy was all but in a recession. Sound familiar? I for one am not buying it just yet. Are we headed for a recesion, perhaps but this market is distabalized due to the election and gas prices are through the roof because outside influences are manipulating the market. This is just another reason to open the wells up in Alaska so we can get out of our dependence from these groups.

Now the good news. Because it is an election year, both major parties will do just about anything to win support from the masses. Because of it, I think you will find relief and funding for your daughter and her friends.

bigtex.
Romney is in no way affiliated with that group.
True Mormons do not live like that.
He has one wife/one family.
He is compassionate and he takes his patriotism seriously.
I’m sure the media will try to link him to FDLS, but the facts prove otherwise.
The Osmonds are more a correlation.

Dean writes…

I am making the assumption that those states that are likely for one party or the other or are strongly for one party or the other are not in play. <<<<

I have been watching that closely as well. The only problem is Rasmussen is reporting it as an average of both Hillary AND Obama vs. McCain and that throws off the numbers significantly. For example Michigan is in the “leans Democrat” column because although McCain leads Obama by about 4% Hillary leads McCain by about 12% (or thereabouts). So they average that out to an 8% edge for the Democrats. In reality the whole thing will completely shift once the Dems finally make their call.

Just for giggles the most recent RELIABLE polls shows the following vs. McCain

Iowa (Obama with a slight edge, Hillary losing in a landslide),

Michigan (Obama losing slightly, Hillary winning safely),

New Mexico (mostly a toss up either way but McCain leads Hillary and trails Obama),

Pennsylvania (Obama leads slightly, Hillary wins in a landslide)

Wisconsin (Obama losing slightly, Hillary gets crushed).

Colorado (Obama with a slight edge, Hillary gets crushed),

Nevada (new polling today shows Obama trailing and Hillary getting crushed),

New Hampshire (Both Obama and Hillary losing slightly),

Ohio (Obama gets crushed, toss up with Hillary).

Florida (Obama gets crushed, toss up with Hillary),

Missouri (both Obama and Hillary get crushed),

Virginia (McCain leads both Democrats big).

DB writes…

I think they will seat them but divide the delegates equally as to assure Hillary makes no gains.<<<

Well that’s what I mean. If they want Obama to get the nomination they will do something like that so they are technically seated but they really don’t matter. if they want Hillary to get the nom they will seat them according to the results giving Hillary a 102 delegate boost which will completely wipe out Obama’s lead….well…almost

I agree w/BigTex on the Romney issue. Of course I have never been a Romney fan. But ever since this has hit the news I have wondered how that would have affected his running. I don’t personally think Romney would be a boost to McCain. For me it has nothing to do with his religion, but for some it would be an issue or so I hear and read. Of course if Obama is on the ticket he could have almost anybody as his vp, because he will beat Obama hands down in my opinion. Obama just keeps offending people, his bad associations, non experience and arrogance will be his end.

Scott919,

You are absolutely correct and I think when it comes down to it, the dems will go with Obama in that they don’t want to lose the youth vote or black vote. Then again, I honestly think these two groups are more likely to forgive and forget and vote dem either way so they may just go with Hillary. Either way, McCain will have his hands full but if we conservatives get out and vote, we can win in Nov.

Jo Anne

I agree with you. I have always felt that Romney is an honorable man, and known that he is great family man. I also know that he is not part of the FLDS. My comment was concerning that the MSM, and the Dems would just go spouting off, erroneously, about the Mormons, and not account for the fact that he is not part of FLDS.

bigtex. You are right.
I also know they will try to associate Romney with that cult.
That is where the rest of us will confront the media.
Right is right!
Not all Americans fall for the manipulation the media has been pulling.

Goodbye to all for now, must accomplish something today. Be back later.

Make someone smile

See you later bigtex.
thanks for the conversation.
I too will be back in about an hour.
remember folks:
“nobody can wreck your day, unless You give them permission”!
I agree bigtex. keep smiling!

DB, yep I remember all too well about that election. I think things are worse this year though. I think we are in deeper. I agree we need to get away from our independence on foreign oil. Almost to a whatever it takes opinion. One thing which will spark alot here I am sure is that we have to cut back on all these social programs. People need to be limited on how long they draw social service help, if they are capable of working. they need to be limited and made to work. Which brings me to the illegals, I lived in a small town approx. 200 miles from the border. Almost all the construction, cleaning, quariies, any type of these jobs were taken by the illegals for 1/3of what Americans had to be paid and no benefits. Usually they work 7 days a week 12hour days. It is such a small town that it left few jobs for the younger, less educated and others to get. Therefore, they were having to drive into the larger towns to find work. I owned a consignment store and the illegals would come in to buy from me. They never want to pay full price. They would tell me that they needed to buy clothes to send home to their families. When I wouldn’t come down they would speak spanish(which I can understand more than I speak)make threats against me, steal and speak very badly of Americans. They make a joke about deportation. Saying they get a free ride home to visit and will be back in 2 weeks. On this they were usually right. You could go to the only bank in town on Friday afternoon and they would be lined up cashing their checks and getting money orders to send home. The employers that did get caught would pay a fine and then put them back to work when they return. Anyways, back to my point, as long as employers keep getting away with this there will be a problem for some to find a job. Plus we have to hire extra teachers to teach english as a second language. Texas was having to hire special teachers to teach the spanish speaking children how to pass the standardized tests. Extra money for printing them in spanish for these students. Not to mention just the extra cost of putting them in the schools while their parents are not paying school taxes. The health centers are having to give them the free shots, etc. to keep up with school regulations on vaccinations. There is a terrible abuse of people drawing disability social security, I know several people personally that draw it and are quite capable of working in many types of jobs. People abusing assistance of food stamps, home energy programs, etc. All these things add up and they just keep putting more people on the rolls. I have always thought there were people that would need these things more than I so never considered taking advantage of them. Even though I could probably qualify for alot of the programs. But when I look around and see some of the people using them. So many are young and quite capable of doing something, it says that they are being trained to make it a way of life. Sorry got on my soapbox. On the good news you stated, I hope so. What is going to happen to us if we can’t help educate our next generation? Guess they will all have join in on the welfare lines and let everyone pay for them then.

DB writes…

You are absolutely correct and I think when it comes down to it, the dems will go with Obama in that they don’t want to lose the youth vote or black vote. <<<

You are probably right but I think that may be a mistake. Let’s look at something real quick. using current polls from Rasmussen, Quinnipiac, and Survey USA (which have been the three most accurate so far) let’s see the electoral difference between Obama and Hillary. What I did was to ignore states that all three agencies agree will go red or blue regardless of the Democratic nominee and identify those state that could swing one way or the other depending on it. Both would start with 161 electoral votes just from those blue states that appear will go blue regardless of the nominee. remember you need 270 to win.

Obama has an advantage over Hillary vs. McCain in the following states: Colorado (9), Iowa (7), Nevada (5), New Hampshire (4), New Mexico (5), North Dakota (3), Oregon (7), Washington (11), and Wisconsin (10) for an advantage of 61 electoral votes and 222 total.

Hillary has an advantage over Obama vs. McCain in the following states: Arkansas (6), Florida (27), Missouri (11), Ohio (20), Pennsylvania (21), and West Virginia (5) for an advantage of 90 electoral votes and 251 total.

Right now Michigan (17) and New Jersey (15) are statistical toss ups but Hillary would likely win both while Obama would likely lose Michigan bringing the total to Obama 237 (losing to McCain), and Hillary 283 (beating McCain).

Now a couple things. Of course these numbers will change dramatically by November and we are assuming that Obama and hillary would win those states assigned to them above. That may not be the case as McCain leads in many of them (such as Arkansas and Missouri) but the numbers simply show one has a better chance to beat McCain than the other in those states.

In short, the DNC may be tempted to do such an analysis and determine hillary has the only chance of beating McCain and “creatively make her the nominee”.

FOX NEWS POLL!!!

President Bush Job Approval
RCP Average: Spread -34.7%

Approve30.8% Disapprove65.5%

Vote him in, not once but twice, now you guys are mad at him…WOW!!! Can’t just admit your mistake, you want to compund it by adding McClain.

TJS writes…

Anyways, back to my point, as long as employers keep getting away with this there will be a problem for some to find a job.<<<<

You are absolutely correct. Here in Arizona we recently passed some tough legislation where if a business gets caught knowingly employing illegal immigrants they lose their business license. businesses of course complained that they would never get enough Americans to cover the jobs but what we have discovered is that so many Americans applied for those newly available jobs that businesses had to start closing the application lines because they were overwhelmed with applicants.

Kappa 10 writes…

Vote him in, not once but twice, now you guys are mad at him…WOW!!! Can’t just admit your mistake, you want to compund it by adding McClain.<<<

Hey Kappa, did you know JFK had a lower approval rating than Bush before he was shot? It’s true. Look it up.

Of course we want to stop the democrats and elect McCain this election season. As we go forward let us always keep in the forefront of our thoughts how liberal so-called environmentalism and the swindle of global warming is damaging our economy, driving up fuel and food prices and costs of everything else. Everyone respects that clean air and water is a good thing and no one is arguing against common sense, However the pathetic notion that man made global warming is a PROVEN theory is causing great harm to our nation and the world. Al Gore is a liar and a criminal and ought to be stopped immediately. These extremists are against every kind of rational energy use needed to maintain civilization as we know it. STOP Al Gore NOW.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzSzItt6h-s

http://www.reformed.org/webfiles/antithesis/index.html?mainframe=/webfiles/antithesis/v1n2/ant_v1n2_environ.html

Scott919,

I appreciate the info and can’t argue the facts. Hillary certainly has a better chance as it stands right now but like you said the numbers could and probably will change after a dem is nominated. I just wonder how many of the Hillary/Obama supporters will either bail completely or join the McCain team. I also have to wonder if Obama/Hillary will still run together. Know it seems impossible at this time but still possible I guess.

Kappa_10.
Was there any approval rating on Congress?

Comment by Kappa_10
April 24th, 2008 at 11:47 am
FOX NEWS POLL!!!

President Bush Job Approval
RCP Average: Spread -34.7%

Approve30.8% Disapprove65.5%

Vote him in, not once but twice, now you guys are mad at him…WOW!!! Can’t just admit your mistake, you want to compund it by adding McClain.
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Kappa_10,

I’m not mad at President Bush and never have been by the way. As for voting for McCain, you bet I will and although he’s a bit more liberal than I’d like from my Republican candidate, he will be far better than either of the dem candidates.

Laughing. Is it just me or was Kappa_10’s visit the shortest seen to date?

This shows that no one really wants McCain in the White house. We are just got stuck with him. This is trully a hold your nose and vote election. 2012 cannot come too soon!

DB writes…

I just wonder how many of the Hillary/Obama supporters will either bail completely or join the McCain team. I also have to wonder if Obama/Hillary will still run together. Know it seems impossible at this time but still possible I guess.<<<<

Well the numbers regarding how many Democrats will cross the aisle in protest are pretty staggering and there will certainly be those that will, but passions are hot right now too so I imagine those numbers will soften as November nears. However, as I have said many times, the longer they wait to make their call the less time they leave for the wounds to heal. So the longer the Civil War continues the greater the number of aisle crossers. As far as them running together. It doesn’t seem likely at this point but remember that politicians have an amazing capacity to kiss and make up when it suits their purposes. However, it gets tricky. Once you lose an election you are done in that capacity and whoever loses the nomination has a reasonable shot at a strong run in 2012. However I think that is more the case for Obama than Hillary.

Ed Anger writes…

This shows that no one really wants McCain in the White house. We are just got stuck with him. This is trully a hold your nose and vote election. 2012 cannot come too soon!<<<

uh….I do. I was supporting McCain prior to Super Tuesday as apparently were a lot of other people since he won.

Who knows Ed, we might all benefit from McCains election in that he does know how to work with the dems, as well as reps. There’s a lot of work to do so here’s hoping he does get in and can, with the help of all our elected officials, make some changes for the better.

DB.
I was thinking along the same lines.
The Republicans and Democrats have been acting like feuding gang members. They have neutered each other’s capacity to pass any legislature.
It is long past time for each party to compromise for the good of all.
If they are incapable of reaching across the aisle, we need to get rid of all of them,starting with those longest in the House, ie: Kennedy (37years)!
Term limits would be a next step. Presidents and Governors have limits.

Everyone PLEASE donate $5.00 to exposebarack.com

Jo Anne,

I agree!!!!!!!!! Term limits would be idea for everyone. Regardless though, I am tired of the stalemates in politics and have vowed to monitor my elected officials and hold them accountable for their votes. I believe far to often we vote by party line and yet don’t hold them accountable for their actions once elected into office. I’m tired of it and while I am a conservative, I will vote for a worthy democrat if my rep fails me.

Jo Anne writes…

It is long past time for each party to compromise for the good of all.<<<

I know exactly how to solve the problem. Just appoint me Supreme Overlord and Dictator of the World. $h!t will get done then. LOL.

Seriously though you are correct and that’s one of the reasons why I am so strongly in McCain’s corner. Obama talks about bringing both sides together but his record in the Senate shows the exact opposite, Hillary makes no secret that she hates the Republicans, but McCain has shown a willingness and an ability to work with both sides. Stubborness results in gridlock. As McCain put it “My country first, my party second”.

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Jo Anne,

I agree with you wholeheartedly. The Democrats and Republicans have become territorial about the jobs. Neither party works in the interest of the country. They are wanting to promote their own politcal agendas.

Far too long have the Americans had to hold their nose and vote.

The political process as is, is focused too much on personalities rather that REAL Issues.

Therefore most of what we get from them are personal attacks during their campaigns.

Michael,

Are you for term limits?

I think term limits is a place to start in cleaning up the mess we have in Washington.

DB.
That is exactly the reason I am a registered Independent/no affiliation.
I will vote for the person I deem best suited for the job.
Their party means nothing to me.
I am so disgusted at the way this country’s affairs are being run.
I am especially upset with Democrats.
We have a chain of command. We live by rules.
Carter Pelosi and Kerry have all taken it upon themselves to conduct foreign affairs.
Pelosi dawn a scarf and all of a sudden she speaks to Muslims on behalf of this country. Carter meets with Hamas. America’s sworn enemy, who wants to annihilate one of our staunchest allies, Israel. Kerry went to the middle east to talk over there too.
Hello! That is Condaleeza Rice’s job. It is the squatting order!
They should address her with their concerns. She will handle it!

DB.
The Florida and Michigan debacle has me in a tizzy too.
They wish to silence millions of voters.
A Democrat introduced the bill to move our Fl. election date. Crist only signed it!

That might be the first thing we’ve agreed on Michael, but I certainly do agree. Our elected officials in Washington seem to have forgotten that they are sent to Washington to represent us, their consituents, rather than their respective parties. It’s gotten so bad, that I’d prefer themcome up with a way for me to vote on the particular issues at hand myself then to have them represent me. For instance, wouldn’t we all like to have a vote when it comes to raising taxes, or on abortion, or the war, etc etc. Instead, it is our representative, who may or may not be a member of my party nor have the same stance as I do that gets the vote. Seems to me, with modern technology we could figure this out or at least put the major issues at hand on the generla election ballots for us all to vote on.

DB.
That is a great idea!!!
Let the politicians come up with the legislature. Have the President look it over and sign it.
Then present it to the people for final approval.

Jo Anne,

Don’t even get me started on the three people you mentioned. Suffice it to say, I respect Jimmy Carter as one of our former Presidents and his work with Habitat for Humanity, but other than that the three have no respect from me. Each and everyone of them knows how our government is set up and who should and should not speak in regards to foreign policy and yet these three idiots decide they need a voice. I’d sooner slap the p___ out of them as to look at them.

DB.
Here, Here!
I’m with you on that one!

Jo Anne,

I can only wish but doubt they’ll ever consider it.

Voting on issues instead of personalities?

Seems too simple a solution.

I like it!!!!!

Maybe we could have straight foward tax laws as well.

JoAnne, the post about the little girl, Haleigh Poutre, gave me goose pumps..I love to hear about miracles.

I didn’t like Romney at first..he just seemed so phoney..but since the pressure of the primaries are over for him..he seems more relaxed and much more likeable. His religion has never been a problem for me. It won’t really matter to me who the VP is ..I will be voting for McCain come Novermber if Obama is the nominee anyways.

BTW…happy to see the post here today!!

I am in favor of term limits. Our elected leaders in the house and sen. are more concerned about retaining their own personal power and glory than doing what’s right for the citizens of our country. The Senate and HoR have become the biggest entitlement program in our country. Until this ends, it will be more of the same.

DB.
It would get rid of all the unnecessary spending.
No more kick-backs, pork, special, projects! ACCOUNTABILITY AND OVERSIGHT>
You’re right! They will never go for it.
That would be way to honest!
The people would have say on spending their money!

You know it would make life easier and I for one would be a lot more tolerant of the peoples choice then these so called representatives. But again, we’d need the politicians to approve such drastic changes in our system and what are the chances it would happen?

Now you talking!!!!!!

I suspect politicians wont buy into it.

They would have to give up too much power…

American Woman.
Hi Lady!
That is a true story about Haleigh Poutre.
I follow it passionately.
Romney literally saved that child’s life.
He is not responsible for her tragedy, but he is responsible for her still being here.
If that isn’t conservative enough for the Republicans, what is?
McCain / Romney. That balances all the scales.

DB

Chances are slim and none, and slim is gone.
I remember several years ago, there was debate in Washington about term limits. Remember that many in Congress are lawyers, and they argued against term limits based on their view that this would be unconstitutional. The irony of this is that those arguing on constitutional grounds were primarily liberal, the same ones that have no use for the constitution when it is an impediment to their agenda.

Although, we need people of infuence to push this idea and those tend to be politicitians.

Exactly right Michael and we all know they won’t be doing that anytime soon.

DB.
We need to change the politicians. They are not going to change until we do.
I love all the people in Massachusetts saying they want change, yet elect Kennedy for 37 years.
We don’t need the politicians permission to change the system.
They need our permission to stay the same1

bigtex,

Believe me I know who shot down term limits and I realize the ideas I presented could never be adopted, but still would surely love it if we could.

Jo Anne,

You are correct in they need our votes to continue as they have, but unfortunately the masses don’t agree with our perspective and figure the Kennedy’s in politics bring them stability.

DB

For term limits to become a reality, it would take a concerted grass roots effort. I live in Houston, and we have term limits for our mayor and city council. It was not always this way. Has been good for the city. I t only happened because of the will of the people. the call became so loud that the pols eventually had to confront it.

bigtex.
The lawyers who said term limits were unConstitutional are full of bologna.
The highest office in the land has term limits.
That is a dual situation.
It should apply to all 3 branches of our government. The executive, Legislative and the Judicial.
We should also have oversight on spending tax dollars.
No more $200. toilet seats. The $20. ones will suffice!

DB.
It is so bad in my birth state of Massachusetts, Kennedy usually runs unopposed!

Only a Romney VP option will unify the party and give McCain a prayer in the General election as well as bringing in a money raising machine unprecedented in GOP history which will be needed to take on the Soros funded D machine.

Hillary is looking better all the time! A lot of folks find her voting record more palatible than McCain.

I know Jo Anne. I was born in MA and spent much of my youth there. Still though, one day the Kennedy’s will lose their place at the head of the table and I think MA will be better off.

Marie,

I am sure the liberals find her voting record more palitable, but I assure you conservatives don’t and I doubt Independents do either.

Is it me or is McCain a liberal?

http://www.gunowners.org/mcdisguise.htm

American Woman.
here is a couple of brief stories on Haleigh Poutre.
Romney had her moved to St Frances Children’s Rehabilitation Hospital for Children.
It is a highly respected Catholic hospital in the Jamaica Plain section of Boston. As I said, Catholics do not “pull plugs”!
Placing her ther was a public statement of safety for Haliegh.
That child is alive because of Romney’s decisive action and subsequent shake-up of the DSS.
http://michellemalkin.com/?s=haleigh

Just got to love those wealthy Episcopalian elites. I’m sure they don’t all think alike. I know they don’t think they know whats best for us. …right???

McLove,

No, he’s a conservative but has been toward the center and sometimes even to the left on issues. That of course hurt him but he seems to be back on track now. But let me also add, that even if a liberal, he would be FAR AND AWAY BETTER than either Hillary (16th most liberal) or Barack (number 1 liberal).

MCCain and Obama have very similar positions on alot of the issues. Taxes, Free Trade and Iraq are really the main difference between them. This is of course, McCain pre-nomination. McCain has flip flopped around on almost every issue recently so who knows.

DB.
I was born and raised in Hyde Park/ Boston.
I moved to Fl. 8 years ago.
prior to moving to Fl. I lived for 9 years in Mansfield.

McLove,

Who are you voting for?

DB,

What votes that Obama have cast are you really so strongly against. I don’t put much stock into those media made up labels. McCain gets a 0% from Civil Rights groups.. I dont think that makes him anti-civil rights.

I grew up in Chicopee just miles away from Springfield.

DB.
Coming from Boston to Florida, I am not happy with not having my vote count.
I was born in the birthplace of this nation. We are supposed to ALL be heard. That is what I was taught to believe!
If I were still in Boston I would also be very upset.
massachusetts elected Clinton. Kennedy and kerry endorsed Obama.
My aunt in Rockland is pi$$ed!

DB.
Chicopee is beautiful! especially in the fall!

M Period,

Are you suggesting Obama is not a liberal and McCain is? Just so we’re clear here do you think Obama is a liberal or conservative? And do you think McCain is a liberal or conservtive? Now, figuring you (as an Obama supporter) will say they are both liberals then please answer this last question. Whic of these two candidates are more centrist/conservative?

Yes it is Jo Anne and your Aunt has every right to be irritated!

great point, Jo Anne. I have wondered the same thing myself lately. We have people in official positions whose job it is to speak to foreign governments, represent our country abroad, etc. It’s already set up, I say. Up until the last five years or so, I do not recall so many people taking it upon their (unappointed) selves to act on their own, spouting their own opinions and acting “on behalf” of our country. No, thank you, I say! That goes for candidates, too. Has anyone told them they are NOT the “leader of the free world”
yet and therefore not authorized to speak on behalf of our country?

Talk about showing a divided front to our enemies….

They should at least count the Popular votes in Florida and Michigan

Howard Dean can play GOD and not seat the delegates.

However those citizens voted and their Popular votes counts.

M Period,

By the way, why is it that your candidate (Obama) can’t seem to put Hillary away? I don’t quite get it. He spends enormous amounts of money and yet she keeps winning your traditional big blue states.

erin.
It does tell our friends, as well as our enemies that we allow ourselves to be divided.
How can they trust Rice, when those arrogant, unbridled Dems keep free styling?
They want to lead this country, yet have no respect for our leaders!
I am mad as hell about the Dems undermining our chain of command.
Without order, there is only chaos!

M Period

It’s difficult seeing where Obama stands as he has voted present over 100 times, instead of doing his

job and making the difficult decisions by voting yea or nay. What do you think?

Howard Dean was a bad candidate for the liberal party and an even worse Chairman for the DNC, but again it’s all about holding someone accountable and it seems he doesn’t nor does his party (Democrats) have to worry about that.

I’d say they both are liberal on some issues and conservative on others. Obama and McCain have the same votes on gay marriage, stem cells. I just hate the who’s more liberal and who’s more conservative labels. Labels don’t mean anythign to me, I think their stance on individual issues is waaaay more important than what label some random group defines. I’m for helping our troops when they come back…. going on labels I should be on McCain’s side… but in reality on the issue. Obama voted for a bill to provide 500 million to help vets deal with PTSD and substance abuse. McCain voted no. Its more important to look at their actual stance on the issues than to make your votes based on what some group tells you. Once people start talking about actually issues, McCain is going to drop a good 15 points. I’m yet to hear anyone who says they are going to vote for McCain explain why they would vote for him other than he’s was a POW.

jo anne-
I completely agree…
I would feel this way even if it weren’t Democrats mostly doing it. It’s just disrespectful.
I wonder does it fall under a “freedom” we have as Americans, is it simply those people taking
advantage of their public position….or is there something, somewhere unlawful about it?
In other words…what can be done about it I wonder…

DB,

Obama’s real problem is racism. Nobody wants to say it or talk about it, but thats his biggest problem. And what do you mean put her away? He has put her away, he has an insurmountable lead in all categories. Just because she doesn’t drop out doesn’t mean he hasn’t put her away. He put her away back when he won 11 straight states.

Steve.
Howard Dean has no clue.
He should stick to coloring in his new “super hero” coloring book.
I believe the name of the “super hero”, is “Superdelegate”!
They are some kind of Democrat that flies around DC in a leotard, sprinkling selected recipients with a white powder that gives them extra human powers.
Jeff X. says they are more powerful than a “69 Olds, driven by a drunken Kennedy!
I’ve never seen one personally, but that’s what I heard! (Laughing)!

Steve,

You are of course right but you have to understand that M Period is one of Baracks blind followers and says anything to foster his candidates chances. Furthermore, he knows darn well Barack voted present as opposed to taking a stance because he wanted to run for office and didn’t want to be painted to liberal. What Barack failed to understand was that even given the few votes he did cast he would be labeled the most liberal of the bunch. Once again a sign of his inexperience but M Period can’t admit that either.

Steve,

Voting present is a common practice in Illinois gov. Its dumb, but its not really that rare. I know where Obama stands on the issues, he’s voted in the US senate and has campaigned for over a year what do you not know about him?

erin.
Maybe if we start pulling their their passports or charging them with treason it would cut down on chats with our enemies.
It should be illegal if it isn’t already.
Divided we fall! We need to stick with only one set of rules, that includes Dems!

DB,

You keep ignoring my question. What votes that he cast do you have a problem with? Why are you letting some random group make up your mind for you. I however many arguements I’ve had on hear I’ve only had 1 person actually have a reason they didn’t agree with Obama. Because they didn’t agree with him wanting an asault rifle ban. Thats a reason, saying some group says he’s a liberal.. is not a reason. It makes you the sheep following without using any actual facts to present your position.

M period

Why is it that obama is so racist anyhow?

He seems to say many things I like but it is difficult for me to swallow his outright racism towards

many people.

M Period,

I do indeed agree it is racism that is in play here. Unlike you though, I’d say it’s Barack who’s being bolstered by a racist vote. He received 92% of the black vote or was it 95%. Either way, I’d say that speaks volumes on who is and who isn’t having to deal with racism.

M Period,

That is the worst excuse I ever heard for a man that can’t make a decision. Why do you think they elected him to office to vote PRESENT? I would not even have typed that if I were you.

What race is Obama? Really?

Jo Anne,

Why is it such a big deal? I don’t think Carter should have went, but its far from treason. We have free speech, dictators win elections with 100% of the vote. Disagreement is American, he isn’t selling secrets. Why is it so bad?

M Period,

I could pull up his record and quote you every vote I am against, but for the sake of time and relevancy, let me talk to the issues at hand. Obama states he wants to tax everyone making over $65,000 per year. Comparitably, McCain says he will in fact keep the tax cuts Bush inacted in place. Which do you prefer?

Jo Anne-
I think it shows their desperation and their true character (or lack of).

In past years, I think these things definitely would have been seen by the majority, and dealt
with, as treason. Why that’s changed I don’t know.

I am so sick of liberals and the media (mostly one and the same) trying to knock
down our self esteem as Americans. Think: when a person in a personal relationship
seeks to control the other, where do they start? By chipping away at their self esteem (verbally, emotionally), painting a picture of themselves as the only ones who know what’s “right” for them…
see the parallel?

McLove,

He claims to be black and revolted by his white heritage. I believe he said that in his book right?

I have friend who has a black mother and white father, both of which abandon him. He was raised by his black grandparents, who put him in a mostly white suburban private school. He says based on his appearance people thinks hes Hispanic. What race is he?

M Period

I am American that happens to be a conservative. In my life experience, I have discovered that the solutions that benefit the greatest number of people are generally not at the extremes, but somewhere in the middle. I will vote for McCain because he has shown a williingness, at great political risk, to take positions on issues that do not strictly follow the GOP. Obama has not shown any inclination to do this. You cannot unify a country with that attitude, or record. He is a puppet of Soros, whose only motivation in life is money. George Soros would wreck the financial stability of this country if it would increase his wealth. What this country needs at this point in time is someone who can, and will, work with the other side, and that is the only thing that has any chance of unifying our country.

M Period
It’s kind of like in a family… I can call my family whatever I want, and we can have nasty words
among us….”but don’t anyone ELSE mess with my family”, right?
We as Americans have free speech (at least at the moment), but that freedom shouldn’t supercede
the priority of sticking together as a country, you know…the UNITED States of America.

Erin….never thought of it that way, but it is an astute observation.

Colorado, Delaware, Massachusetts, Missouri and Texas all have the exact same thing. Even illinois repuiblicans said that the present vote criticism is stupid. Its a typical vote if you have reservations about a bill, but don’t want to outright kill it because you agree with parts. Here is an example of one of his horrible “present” votes:

For example, in what was supposed to be the last night of the legislative session in 2002, the leader of the Senate Democrats said he had been double-crossed on a budget agreement when a major new revenue source was left out. His caucus didn’t have enough votes to stop the whole revenue package, which included cigarette tax hikes, and the Democrats agreed to most of the bill anyway.

“I’m going to recommend to the members of this side of the aisle to vote ‘present’ until such a time as we see a total package that’s going to balance the budget for the year 2003,” state Sen. Emil Jones Jr. (D) told his caucus.

That is the what’s right for us mentality parallel

How many names do they have to call us, and how many times do they have to insult us before you get the message. Obama and his hateful wife don’t like white people, or any other race,just african americans. How dumb can people be?

Typical White People
Dumb Americans
Get me some more white people to stand behind me while I make my speech.
Watch me make these white people swoon.

Erin,
Who owns the media liberals or conservatives?

Just wondering…

Comment by Steve
April 24th, 2008 at 1:42 pm They should at least count the Popular votes in Florida and Michigan

Howard Dean can play GOD and not seat the delegates.

However those citizens voted and their Popular votes counts

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Steve, seriously…would YOU put Howard Dean in charge of anything and not expect a foul up somewhere?

The Republicans handled it quickly and decisively.

Howard Dean did the obligatory liberal reactionary response without considering what the consequences of a locked up nomination bid by two candidates going to all the primaries would be.

Now think about this. Florida in the polls has swung heavily to McCain because of this (and they like the idea John Crist may be up for VP). Michigan not so much but certainly not pleased with being ignored.

Now consider this, essentially Dean has created a perfect storm to derail (sorry for the mixed metaphors) what every commentator thought was going to be a Democrat election year. All the Dems had to do was sit back, look smug and say “I told you so, now let us show you how it’s done”.

But now as a result of this prolonged bloodletting, you’ve got two candidates that are polarising general election voters (Edwards would have been no different). Hacking each other’s credibility to shreds (they can’t seriously mount an attack on policy at each other, they’re almost identical). Add to this, Obama’s run on pure rhetoric hit a wall when the prolonged campaign has brought out Wright, Ayers, Rezko, Michelle Obama, “guns, God and bigots”, debate flubs and lack of knowledge on different policy. Hillary, has to stick to “60 days” and “no new taxes” as well (Obama stammered without answering a “no new taxes” committal at the last debate but his capital gains tax blunder was proof enough to the contrary).

My money’s (barring another Bosnia) on Indiana going to Hillary as well.

So, you’ve got unions ready to pump muli-millions into the election, George Soros pumping 40 million into a media smear campaign against McCain…and McCain is still a strong contender to win in November. The Dems have to stop and ask why.

Let the bloodletting continue..and cheers Howard Dean.

DB,

I prefer my bridges not falling down and killing people (which have happened becuase we don’t have the money to spend on infstructor)

I prefer China not owning 10% of my country. (which they now do)

I prefer the dollar not losing value against the euro (which it is) because of our economy.

So yes I’d love lower taxes, but we have unsecure borders, wars in two countries and the Bush/McCain Iraq plan has us spending billions rebuilding Iraq. If we had a balanced federal budeget I’d like a tax cut, but we can’t afford it. As a country, tax cuts are forcing us to cut funding on roads, schools, health care, border security, military spending. The McCain tax cuts are like… going on a vacation instead of paying your mortage. For that week, it woudl be great. Fun in the sun, relaxing but in the longer run you’re going to lose your home.

I dare say M Period’s comments about Carter are reflective of a large part of the democratic party. They have no sense of responsibility and absolutely no understanding of what being held accountable means. They’re the feel good generation and if it feels good then be darned with the consequences.

AND THE VOTE RATIFIED BY CONGRESS ON THE PANAMA CANAL WAS WHEN?

RIGHT AND WRONG PERSON TO SPEAK FOR HIMSELF OR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO HAMAS.

WHAT DID THE ISREALIE PEOPLE SAY ABOUT HIS VISIT?

AND IRAN?

AND YOU DEMS WANT WHAT? WHEN?

HELL WILL FREEZE OVER FIRST!

GO DEAN AND THE DNC INTO THE TRASH BIN LOL, HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF!

THEY NEVER LEARN EITHER. WANT A RECOUNT IN FLA?

NOT TILL NOVEMBER, WE WILL REMEMBER THEM THEN TOO!

For 40 years, Indiana’s presidential primary has been an afterthought, staged long after other states had determined each party’s nominee. This year, it’s critical to the aspirations of both Clinton and Obama.

As such, the candidates need to engage Indiana voters and one another in a forum that stretches beyond glossy TV commercials, showy campaign stops and rote speeches delivered in city after city.

In short, the candidates need to meet for a debate in Indiana in the next few days.

Why another debate toward the end of an exhausting campaign? For starters, the last debate, in Pennsylvania, was heavily criticized for delving into side issues rather than centering on topics such as the economy, health care and foreign policy. Well, then, let’s have a debate here that digs into the many serious issues facing the nation and this state. How, for example, do the candidates reconcile increasing taxes during a possible recession? How would they fulfill their pledge to pull troops out of Iraq in a matter of months if the Iraqi government were to collapse or terrorist organizations were to set up training bases there?

It’s true that these questions and others have been addressed at various points in a long campaign. But voters tend to pay more attention to candidates’ positions when their own primary is imminent. Most voters in Indiana have forgotten what was said in Iowa four months ago.

A debate planned for North Carolina, which also holds its primary on May 6, fell apart this week after the Obama campaign backed out. The senator’s loss in Pennsylvania should prompt his advisers to reconsider whether this is the right time to disengage.

The Clinton campaign already has accepted an invitation issued by the Indiana Debate Commission, along with its partners CNN and PBS, to stage in a debate here. (The Debate Commission represents various civic and media organizations, including The Star. Star Editor Dennis Ryerson is vice chairman of the commission.)

M Period,

So I take it you are voting for McCain afterall? Lol

Which one of your points do you feel best about and want to debate?

Erin,

A family can argue at their house without it making national news. How can anyone oppose what the gov is doing without making a scene or get attention for their concerns? I’m not defending Carter, I think he went too far with the meeting. But speaking out against Bush, or the war, or policies is important. It started the civil rights movement for both blacks and women. Its how this country was born. Protests, disagreement is why we are the best nation in the world.

A debate planned for North Carolina, which also holds its primary on May 6, fell apart this week after the Obama campaign backed out. The senator’s loss in Pennsylvania should prompt his advisers to reconsider whether this is the right time to disengage.

The Clinton campaign already has accepted an invitation issued by the Indiana Debate Commission, along with its partners CNN and PBS, to stage in a debate here. (The Debate Commission represents various civic and media organizations, including The Star. Star Editor Dennis Ryerson is vice chairman of the commission.)

M Period.
It is wrong for anyone to go around our government and conduct talks with our sworn enemies, or any other foreign policy without endorsement from our ELECTED leaders..
We have a system set up to address these issues.
Yes, we have freedom of speech. That is within the USA. We do not carry many of our American rights when we go to other countries.
Our system is set up to act as a unified government.
We may voice our opinions and vote for our leaders.
It is our leaders responsibility, only, to conduct these affairs. Renegades should not be tolerated. That undermines our system and our security.
If we didn’t need leaders, we wouldn’t need elections.
We follow the order of command.
We will not survive as a nation if we don’t.

DB,

Why would I vote for McCain?

Obama backed out of doing a primary in Michigan also

Can you blame him, he may lose the primary there

And anyhow, obama needs states that hold a caucus as that is not as democratic as some people

are intimidated. There should just be primaries where people have privacy as they vote.

M Period-
I agree with you. I’ve often said that I may not agree with what someone says, but I will always
defend their right to say it.
But that’s not my point. I’m talking about our “face” to the world. How much “family stuff” do
we hear in this country about other countries? Large protests about humanitarian issues, yes.
But do you recall hearing all the specifics about other governments policies, programs and the like
akin the kind that gets out there about ours? Are you as informed about every detail of the candidates
running in other countries? etc.

Jo Anne,

Oh I disagree with what Carter did. I just don’t think it under minds our security. What underminds security is Iraq and Bush/McCain tax cuts…..

well said, Jo Anne. it’s not about parties or politics. It’s about preserving some sense of order.

M Period

You mean ( undermines )

GO RON PAUL!!!!

He’s in the tradition of our brave, sensible, principled founding Presidents.

I am a member of the former Buchanan Brigades, America First, Populist. I’ll never vote for McCain or any other of the look-a-like “neo-conserviative”, New World Order, Establisment drones.

Yes, in the General Election, if its a choice between McCain/Obama-Clinton/Nader, I will definitely vote for Nader.

Vonay

Obama will not debate because he knows that it is a detriment to him. This man wants the highest office in the land, yet he is afraid to debate someone from his own party. He is so insecure, that he is afraid to show his face on Fox news. he does not care for confrontation, yet he wants to talk to Iran. Amadinajed will tear him a new one.

M Period,

The real question is why wouldn’t you? He is the only candidate that has shown the ability to work with both sides of the aisle putting the American people first. He is the only candidate talking about balancing the budget stopping all discretionary spending except for the war and us vets. He is the only candidate not introducing additional spending unlike Barack or Hilary who have both proposed over $800 BILLION dollars in new spending. And he is the only candidate straight forward enough to tell the American people we can not just pull out of Iraq because the consequences of such action would be grave to not only the stability of the Middle East but our own national security. So again, why wouldn’t you vote for him?

Vonay,

Obama will not accept another debate because without a speech or teleprompter telling him what to say, everyone will know how inexperienced he really is. He is a follower not a leader. It will be just like George Bush he lost every debate and people still voted for him because he was going to unite this country. I can’t believe people are falling for that again!

Erin,

The bottom line the Liberals don’t think Americans can think for themselves..I won’t be defined by any party ever again. I will become Independent. If anyone thinks Dean is bad for the DNC…if Obama becomes the nominee, who do think will take over his postion? I have heard it will be Donna Brazil. While she tries to act as if she is down the middle, I don’t beleive that when she states she will quit the party if Hillary is the nominee, and after seeing her sitting on stage at the ” Black State of the Union Address” laughing and making fun of the Clinton’s.

Pelosi and Carter are no different than the Liberal judges in this country, legislating from the bench they are shoving their ideology down the throats of America and I for one will vote a straight Republican Party till they are put back in thier place…way far left and out of sight.

“Renegades should not be tolerated.”

I feel like I’m in a bad science fiction novel…

What should we do with the “Renegades”???

Comment by M Period
April 24th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Jo Anne,

Oh I disagree with what Carter did. I just don’t think it under minds our security. What underminds security is Iraq and Bush/McCain tax cuts…..
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And once again I refer back to my earlier comment at 2:09

Mc Love-
I see you’re having a good laugh there ….haha
But, seriously. Can you not see the damage it does when people go out of the limits of their position like this?

M Period.
Of course it undermines our security. It leaves the impression on our enemies that “nobody” is in charge over here. it is a window to weakness in our structure.
We need to reign in these free-wheeling renegade, self appointed disciples of the left wing, and have a consequence to these acts.
M Period, you have the very same rights as Carter, Pelosi and Kerry. You try meeting with Hamas.
Where’s the difference?

erin,

I obviously agree with you but again there are a large group of dems that are of the feel good generation and try as we might they will never accept anything that makes them accountable. SAD BUT TRUE

DB,

I’ve heard those promises before… about 8 years ago from another republician. The problem is, what is “discretionary spending”. All I’ve heard is, he’s going to cut taxes… which a majority of that money goes to Military, education, and health care. I’ve heard McCain agree that we should continue to fund Iraq (who has a surplus budget while we have a deficit). I’ve seen McCain vote against a bill to help the vets who have PTSD, is medical care for our vets one of those “discretionary spending” cuts he’s talking about? As for our security is he straight forward enough to tell the American people that our national security estimates say that Afganstain is back to its highest levels of violence since we started the war. That our intelliengece experts actually say staying in Iraq actually hurts our national security. If you’ve notice its no longer about fighting terrorists in Iraq, now its about.. Iraq secutiry will hurt Iran. What about those terrorists who killed Americans, that bad guy Bin Ladin who has rebuilt his network of people who want to kill Americans. Is it out of sight out of mind?

Our troops have won in Iraq, they got rid of Saddam, made sure they won’t get weapons on mass distruction. But its is unfair for my tax dollars and the lives of my fellow Americans to serve as the poilice for a civil war, and to pay for them, an oil rich country, to build roads while American road projects are being cut and slashed as “discretionary spending”. McCain is calling for the continued policies of a president who is now officially rated (according to polls) as the worst president ever.

M Period,

I’ll take you’re comments step by step to make this easier for everyone to understand.

I’d prefer a low rating over an airplane hitting a skyscraper

GWB’s may be bad, but they are 50% better than the ratings of Congress

Do you guys realistically think our enemies are saying “oooh Carter met with Hamas” we can take the US now. Or are they saying, oooh the US economy is falling apart (Bin Ladin’s most recent goal was to bankrupt the country according to his last video), or ooooh the US military is being stretched super thin, or ooooh instead of funding border and airport security they are giving tax cuts. Maybe I give them too much credit but I think Carter, a person with NO power meeting with Hamas really doesn’t have an effect on anything. They even said he wasted his time nothing was accomplished

Comment by Mc Love
April 24th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
“Renegades should not be tolerated.”

I feel like I’m in a bad science fiction novel…
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No Mc Love

You are in second grade

Comment by M Period
April 24th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
DB,

I’ve heard those promises before… about 8 years ago from another republician.
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Unlike President Bush, McCain has shown his willingness and ability to work with both sides of the aisle. Theirs no denying it has happened and if he can’t accomplish the same thing as President it will be strictly representative of the democrats unwillingness to work together for the good of the people.

bigtex,

oh Congress has done nothing. I don’t think they’re doing a good job either.

M Period.
Now that Iraq is pumping oil, they will begin taking responsibility for the rebuilding. It is contracted as part of the war agreement.
The surplus will go to re-imbursing some of the costs of the war to the coalition.
We cannot just wreck their country and way of life, then ditch them while they are still vulnerable.
Even if you think we never should have gone their. We should stablize them before we can leave.
They are making progress. It is getting safer.

Comment by M Period
April 24th, 2008 at 2:17 pm Jo Anne,

Oh I disagree with what Carter did. I just don’t think it under minds our security. What underminds security is Iraq and Bush/McCain tax cuts…..

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Don’t kid yourself. Hamas will use Carter’s visit to appear to validate their agenda to remove Israel. That..undermine’s our security in that it contradicts our “no negotiation without preconditions” policy with organisations of Hamas’ nature and dilutes the pressure we put on Hamas, Hezbollah etc. Carter has essentially stamped Hamas as “approved” by the US as a legitimate authority in Palestine. I’m sure Mr Abbas and Fatah (who are no benefactors themselves) would like to contradict that.

Comment by M Period
April 24th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
DB,

The problem is, what is “discretionary spending”. All I’ve heard is, he’s going to cut taxes… which a majority of that money goes to Military, education, and health care.
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Wrong! The national budget is not discretionary spending and each of these things youpointed out are in fact staples of our national budget. Discretionary funding would be additional moneys added such as earmarks to bills and I know we all agree we must get rid of that stuff as it never gets voted on.

Does anyone know what the polls are saying in Indiana?

I’ve heard those promises before… about 8 years ago from another republician.
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Unlike President Bush, McCain has shown his willingness and ability to work with both sides of the aisle. Theirs no denying it has happened and if he can’t accomplish the same thing as President it will be strictly representative of the democrats unwillingness to work together for the good of the people.

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That was before McCain became McBush. That work on both sides of the aisle was when McCain was with the dems on immagration, on anti-torture, on the Bush tax cuts. Now McCain is super-republican. He’s switched sides on every issue. But when I said i’ve heard those promises before, I was talking about a smaller gov. All republicans say that, yet Bush has grown the gov and expanded the federal powers more than any president ever.

bk,

Obama’s up in a majority of the polls like 3 or 4 points. But one poll has Clinton up 15 or so.

Comment by M Period
April 24th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
DB,

I’ve heard McCain agree that we should continue to fund Iraq (who has a surplus budget while we have a deficit).
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Simply silly. The President ask for the money and Congress approves same. For the record, Congress has approved the spending from the start and your boy Obama has voted in favor of it every time.

Comment by M Period
April 24th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
DB,

I’ve seen McCain vote against a bill to help the vets who have PTSD, is medical care for our vets one of those “discretionary spending” cuts he’s talking about?
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I’ll have to research this further to give you the reason he voted against it. But I will answer it today.

JoAnne,

We didn’t give that money as a loan. Or grants or anything. They have no promise to repay us.

Tel…,

Have you seen the propaganda videos? Like the media showed the one for kids with the little kid stabbing president Bush that these groups are showing to kids. In the video the puppets are yelling at bush about killing their cousin in Iraq, and killing whoever in Afganstain and saying thats why he’s going to kill Bush and he stabs him. Its a sick video, and even worse that thats what they’re showing to their kids. But lets not pretend that Carter’s visit is terrorists main selling point. They are selling us as Big Bad US who comes bombs their fellow muslins and kills their familiy members. Being police in Iraq, is bad. Our troops are doing their job, they are killing the bad guys. But its being spun as US evil. Killing “good” muslims for now reason. The only people who would care, or even know who carter is are Americans and world leaders. And world learders aren’t going to be confused on what our stance on Hamas is. Its well known.

Does the United States have the benefit of having a multifaceted approach. If we view all of Iran as our enemy then this could be simple. If we view Afghanistan as one unified enemy, again our approach could be unilateral and united, but few of out conflicts have been straight forward. As in Iraq we have found friend and foe.

It could be a strength to have public characters in our country who have varied views and approaches. It allows us to be fluid in the world’s eye.

And whats great is you can blog about Carter’s faux pas all day long, which hopefully circumvents your frustration.

Its hard to define the US, that is a good thing.

Comment by M Period
April 24th, 2008 at 2:39 pm I’ve heard those promises before… about 8 years ago from another republician.
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Unlike President Bush, McCain has shown his willingness and ability to work with both sides of the aisle. Theirs no denying it has happened and if he can’t accomplish the same thing as President it will be strictly representative of the democrats unwillingness to work together for the good of the people.

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That was before McCain became McBush. That work on both sides of the aisle was when McCain was with the dems on immagration, on anti-torture, on the Bush tax cuts. Now McCain is super-republican. He’s switched sides on every issue. But when I said i’ve heard those promises before, I was talking about a smaller gov. All republicans say that, yet Bush has grown the gov and expanded the federal powers more than any president ever.

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Garbage,

McCain was a loud critic of Rumsfeld’s conduct of operations in Iraq. To the chagrin of his own party. McCain supported the subsequent troop surge.

McCain remains consistent with prior behaviour.

He’s accepted the Bush tax cuts because they work. He’s accepted a tighter border because it’s what the people have asked for on the issue it doesn’t conflict any previous proposals he’s made. All that’s different is a sealed border first.

McCain is a solid proponent of smaller government and “hands off” approach. He wants to see matters handled at the State level, and let Federal Government handle Federal concerns. His current Senate voting record offers nothing to counter that. That’s not even a question at this point. He’s even proposed a freeze on spending to assess each programme’s feasibility.

Example: Obama has (as a junior senator) earmarked 50 million for Illinois for 2009.

McCain’s earmarks for 2009? ZERO!

There’s no question McCain’s a smaller government proponent and tighter spending.

DB,

What are the “discretionary spending” he’s talking about cutting? Day care programs for workers? Thats an earmark. Research grants? New scanning machines for airports? Border patrol systems? Those are all earmarks added on to budgets. McCain himself (even though he lies and says he doesn’t add earmarks) has added them on to help fund expanding an Airforce base in Arizonia. Thats helpful to our Military, should we cut back on spending for our troop training. Maybe cut out computers in schools, we’ll still fund schools. But adding in earmarks to get all public schools new computers so they can learn to compete with the computer literarte world… lets cut that out so we can afford a tax cut.

As for your point about congress approving the funding. As I said before I dont think congress is doing a good job either. But our policy in the country (staying “until some undefined job is done” or leaving) thats set by the president.

Comment by M Period
April 24th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
DB,

As for our security is he straight forward enough to tell the American people that our national security estimates say that Afganstain is back to its highest levels of violence since we started the war. That our intelliengece experts actually say staying in Iraq actually hurts our national security. If you’ve notice its no longer about fighting terrorists in Iraq, now its about.. Iraq secutiry will hurt Iran. What about those terrorists who killed Americans, that bad guy Bin Ladin who has rebuilt his network of people who want to kill Americans. Is it out of sight out of mind?
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I challenge you to show me any credible report suggesting our staying in Iraq hurts our national security. Be warned, I am VERY closely tied to this type information and ask you not to waste my time with any BS. For clarification, I consider any report coming from the NSA, CIA, FBI, HS as credible; while the MSNBC, CNN, and other liberal media outlets will not work. If you have specific information but cannot release it, then give me the date/time group and source and I will retrieve it tomorrow when I go to work.

With that said, these comments are nothing more then rhetoric and until you show me something from anyone who has real knowledge of this kind of information I will simply chalk it up to a liberla mindset and move on.

Example: Obama has (as a junior senator) earmarked 50 million for Illinois for 2009.

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Being from Illinois I say thank you. One of those earmarks help fund a hospital expansion thats helped thousands. Earmarks is one of those words that the media has spun. I like good earmarks, bad earmakrs are… bad.

Comment by M Period
April 24th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
DB,

Our troops have won in Iraq, they got rid of Saddam, made sure they won’t get weapons on mass distruction. But its is unfair for my tax dollars and the lives of my fellow Americans to serve as the poilice for a civil war, and to pay for them, an oil rich country, to build roads while American road projects are being cut and slashed as “discretionary spending”. McCain is calling for the continued policies of a president who is now officially rated (according to polls) as the worst president eve
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I know it is simple to just say lets leave our work is done but none of the candidates are going to pull out just like that. Your boys senior advisor has said that as many as 70-80 thousand of our military personnel (thats half the number there right now) will be there in Iraq as late as 2010. Barack himself said he would deploy more troops to both Afganistan and Africa (to protect the motherland) and thus our forces would be no better off.

Now, just for the sake of argument, please tell me what would happen if we pulled out of Iraq today? I want you to speak specifically to the instability it would bring to the region and how that might affect oil prices.

Alright DB,

I challenge you. I know you are hard at work defending the US, but please share your intel. Links please… I’m unable to verify your claims.

How do have access to all this sensitive material?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/library/news/2008/04/sec-080418-voa01.htm

Here is a report on the failing security situation on the afgan border because of our lack of a comprehensive plan

Comment by M Period
April 24th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Example: Obama has (as a junior senator) earmarked 50 million for Illinois for 2009.

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Being from Illinois I say thank you. One of those earmarks help fund a hospital expansion thats helped thousands. Earmarks is one of those words that the media has spun. I like good earmarks, bad earmakrs are… bad.
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M Period,

Did you just say you like government spending your hard earned tax dollars on things that no one got to vote on? I for one find it disturbing and if it was such a worthy cause why didn’t your representatives bring it up for a vote on the floor?

DB,

Obama himself has called for a 30,000 strike force left in the region, but an end to us being policeman for the Iraqis. I’d much rather my tax money be spent on Hospitals in schools here in America without my vote, than being used to build hospitals and schools in Iraqi without my vote

Comment by M Period
April 24th, 2008 at 2:46 pm JoAnne,

We didn’t give that money as a loan. Or grants or anything. They have no promise to repay us.

Tel…,

Have you seen the propaganda videos? Like the media showed the one for kids with the little kid stabbing president Bush that these groups are showing to kids. In the video the puppets are yelling at bush about killing their cousin in Iraq, and killing whoever in Afganstain and saying thats why he’s going to kill Bush and he stabs him. Its a sick video, and even worse that thats what they’re showing to their kids. But lets not pretend that Carter’s visit is terrorists main selling point. They are selling us as Big Bad US who comes bombs their fellow muslins and kills their familiy members. Being police in Iraq, is bad. Our troops are doing their job, they are killing the bad guys. But its being spun as US evil. Killing “good” muslims for now reason. The only people who would care, or even know who carter is are Americans and world leaders. And world learders aren’t going to be confused on what our stance on Hamas is. Its well known.

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Please corrolate an Islamist indoctrination televion programme with Carter’s undermining US policy and security. I fail to see your corrolation.

US evil you say? Explain the popular movement in support of the US in Iraq since the surge? Sunni sheiks are remaining with us (even after they’re or their family members are threatened and have been killed in some cases). Explain why al Zawahiri (al Qaeda)is scrambling with numerous releases in the last months to rally support back to al Qaeda in Iraq?..and failing. He’s also asking for more foreigners to go into Iraq to fight..and failing. Explain why villages in Iraq once intimidated by terrorists are resisting the terrorists and siding with the government and US forces? Explain why hardened jihadists (again, albiet a very small number) are questioning al Qaeda tactics and policy. Conversely, why are al Qaeda umbrella organistions pleading for another high profile strike to al Zawahiri and Bin Laden, like the September 11 attack, and not getting it? Explain why al Zawahiri just the other day had to “dispell” Ahmedinejad’s assertion about “no 9/11″ and cited it as a Shia ploy to take credit from Sunni jihadists. I’ll explain it for you…al Qaeda’s credibility among Iraqis is failing. They’re not seeing the US as evil..they’re seeing jihadists as destructive.

The latest uprising by al Sadr is a great example, he’s pretty much the strongest organised insurgency on the table right now..and he keeps backing down. His faction has also been splintering and whether you acknowledge an Iranian brokered cease fire or not, he can’t keep his Mahdi army in the fight for prolonged periods because his resources are finite and fragile.

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McLove,

Let’s just keep this simple. I work for the government and have a clearance that will allow me access to things the ordinary citizen can not have access too. This is why I asked M Period to proivde a souce as if he can produce one, I can access it to verify same. As for providing a link, I apologize but can not do that. What I will do though is try and find some specific information from these organizations that is releasable.

DB,

As for what I see happening in Iraq is… probably violence in some of the larger cities, their leaders will have to send in troops. Eventually they’re going to have to work out a deal with Sadr. Probably Iran attempting to influence the happenings of the country. When violence spikes Iraqis will do like they’ve done and stand up against the insurgents. So basically the same thing thats happening now…. expect we won’t be dying by the thousands and spending my tax dollars by the millions. What do you see happening?

Ok since they will not let me post the link. I’m interested in peoples thoughs on the FairTax.

Comment by M Period
April 24th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
DB,

Obama himself has called for a 30,000 strike force left in the region, but an end to us being policeman for the Iraqis. I’d much rather my tax money be spent on Hospitals in schools here in America without my vote, than being used to build hospitals and schools in Iraqi without my vote
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The difference of course being Congress did get a vote with regards to the spending in Iraq and yet never voted on that 50 million for IL. Amazing!!!

This is a great article. Hope you enjoy it.

There is no Republican up on Capitol Hill more disliked by his own GOP brethren than John McCain. That’s why, despite the size of his fan club in the mainstream media, McCain seems rather unlikely to capture the party’s nomination for President in 2008.

Here’s a short, but sweet primer that may help explain why so many conservatives believe John McCain would be a very poor choice as the Republican nominee in 2008.

The Age Issue

John McCain will be 72 years old in 2008, which will make him 3 years older than Ronald Reagan was when he became the oldest man to ever be inaugurated as president back in 1981. In the Senate, where doddering fossils like Strom Thurmond and Robert Byrd can be elected over and over, McCain looks like a spring chicken in comparison. But, Reagan’s age turned out to be a campaign issue and McCain, who would be 80 years old at the end of his 2nd term, would certainly have a lot of people questioning –with good reason — whether he’s up to the job. Were McCain to be the nominee, his age could be the deciding factor that puts a Democrat in office.

How Electable Is McCain Really?

The mainstream media loves John McCain and they regularly write fawning articles referring to him as a “maverick” and a “straight-talker.” Because of this, McCain polls well among Democrats and Independents.

However, the reason McCain is so well liked by the media is because they’re liberals and they love it when he trashes other Republicans. But, what would happen if John McCain actually became the Republican nominee? The same members of the mainstream media who gush over him today would turn on him in a Minnesota minute and once his great press ended, his poll numbers with Independents and Democrats would start to drop precipitously.

Moreover, it’s no big secret that McCain is roundly despised by more than a few conservatives. The thinking there usually goes, “Well, what are they going to do, vote for Hillary?” No, they won’t, “vote for Hillary,” but will they contribute money to McCain, volunteer for his campaign, or defend him from attacks made by Democrats or the press? No, they won’t.

More importantly, they may throw their votes away by voting Libertarian or for the Constitution Party in 2008. Given that the outcome of three of the last four elections may have been decided by these sorts of protest votes (for Perot in ‘92 and ‘96 and Nader in 2000), this is not an issue that should be taken lightly.

What’s Wrong With Actually Having A Loyal Republican As The Republican Nominee?

One of the most galling things about the idea of having John McCain as the Republican nominee in 2008 is that whether he’s a loyal Republican or not is a question that can’t truly be answered. Back in 2001, there were rumors that McCain might, depending on how the election turned out, switch parties in order to help the Democrats retain the Senate. In 2002, there were rumors that McCain was considering switching parties and running for President as a Democrat. In 2004, “on several occasions,” McCain talked with John Kerry about becoming his vice-president. Obviously McCain hasn’t pulled a Jim Jeffords yet, but you have to wonder about where he really stands.

How Can You Be Pro-Life And Pro-Roe v. Wade At The Same Time?

Overall, John McCain does have a fairly solid pro-life voting record (The glaring exception is that he has gone off the reservation on embryonic stem cell research). However, McCain has specifically said, on more than one occasion, back in August of 1999, that he opposes overturning Roe v. Wade:

“I’d love to see a point where (Roe v. Wade) is irrelevant, and could be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary. But certainly in the short term, or even-the long-term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations.”

“I would not seek to overturn Roe v. Wade tomorrow, because doing so would endanger the lives of women.”

Has McCain also said he wants to repeal Roe v. Wade on many occasions? Yes. But, how can pro-lifers trust a man who has flip-flopped like John Kerry on Roe v. Wade to appoint the Supreme Court Justices who may end up deciding the issue? Simply put, we can’t.

Kyoto By Any Other Name Would Still Smell As Rotten

John McCain has proposed a radical bill, the McCain-Lieberman Stewardship Act, that is not all that different from the Kyoto Protocol. McCain’s bill would do cataclysmic damage to our economy. In the name of cutting greenhouse gas emissions by an insignificant percentage, that not even the biggest proponents of Kyoto believe would have a significant impact on the weather, here’s the damage John McCain would be willing to do to our economy (from an article by Marlo Lewis in National Review):

“Proponents will undoubtedly argue, as they did last fall, that we need not worry about the bill’s economic impact because Phase I (of McCain’s bill) is just a “modest” first step in addressing global climate change. A recent Energy Information Administration (EIA) analysis suggests otherwise. According to EIA, Phase I would increase: gasoline prices by 9 percent in 2010 and 19 percent in 2025; natural-gas prices in the industrial and electric-power sectors by 21 percent in 2010 and 58 percent in 2025; and electricity prices by 35 percent in 2025.”

Would you support a Republican candidate for President who pledged to sign America on to Kyoto Protocol? If not, then why support John McCain, who wants to do almost the same thing under a different name?

McCain Vs. The Bush Tax Cuts

Most conservatives believe the biggest domestic success of George Bush’s first term were his tax cuts. John McCain voted against them, more than once, before finally flip-flopping and voting for them this year. Enough said.

McCain May Not Like Bush’s Tax Cuts, But He Loves Illegal Immigration

McCain has teamed up with Ted Kennedy to propose a bill that rewards illegal aliens by allowing them to stay in the US permanently after they pay a modest fine, brings in hundreds of thousands of new guest workers as well, and does almost nothing to enforce immigration law or prevent new illegal aliens from entering the country. In other words, if you love George Bush’s illegal immigration policy, John McCain is offering more of the same. On the other hand, if you believe we need to clamp down on illegal immigration, John McCain is not a candidate you should support.

The Gang-Of-14 Disaster

Just as Republicans in Congress were about to step in and put an end to the Democratic filibusters of judges once and for all, John McCain and the rest of the “Gang-Of-14″ stepped in with a deal that kept the filibuster alive. This got John McCain and the other participants in the deal lots of favorable press, but the GOP paid a real price so that the “Maverick” could be in the spotlight again. Several GOP judges were thrown over the side and have, as of yet, never been allowed to get a vote.

Furthermore, the Gang-of-14 deal explicitly no long applies after the 2006 elections occur. So, if the Democrats gain seats in the Senate and decide to start filibustering again, it’s entirely possible that this time, the GOP won’t be able to muster the votes to stop them. That means that if a liberal Supreme Court Justice steps down during the last two years of Bush’s term, because of John McCain and Company, it may not be possible to replace them with another Alito or Roberts. That’s the price the party may have to pay so that John McCain can continue to be the New York Times’ favorite Republican.

The McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform Debacle

John McCain’s signature piece of legislation is the McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform Bill, which was one of the worst pieces of legislation to make it through Congress in the last decade. The idea behind this nightmare, which was a failure on every level, was that it was going to, “take the money out of politics.” Well, not only did McCain-Feingold fail to, “take the money out of politics,” more money was spent than ever before during the 2004 elections. Moreover, the bill unconstitutionally curbed free speech, protected incumbents, gave a fund raising edge to the Democrats, and opened up the door to regulating bloggers. If McCain says that he’ll do for America what he did for campaign finance reform, it should be taken as a threat.

Conclusion

That should give you a pretty good idea of what some of McCain’s biggest flaws are, but what you’ve seen so far is by no means a comprehensive list. Keep in mind that McCain opposed Bush’s attempt to protect marriage by enshrining it in the Constitution, committed adultery in his first marriage, attacked the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth, endangered the lives of all Americans by handcuffing our military interrogators, had a meltdown over a boxing commission…you can go on and on like this.

The long and short of it is that John McCain is a deeply flawed candidate who’s unlikely to capture the Republican nomination, unlikely to win the presidency, and is unlikely to be a good President even if he somehow makes it to the White House.

And is from the horses mouth. http://www.rightwingnews.com/archives/week_2006_03_12.PHP

tel…,

Villiagers are fighting terrorists because terrorists are blowing up their village…. They’d fight the terrorists no matter if we were there or not. Iraq, and Iraqis have never been a threat to the US. They’ve never really been America haters until we invaded their country. The war is being used as propaganda in Pakistan, and other regions. The terrorists have never been based out of Iraq, so its not a “victory” to say they can’t build up an Iraq base. ITs a lose that they are rebuild bases in Afghanistan. It is a lose that Bin Ladin is still running around spewing anti-American hate while we spend 5 times as much power enforcing curfews instead of getting him.

Comment by Mc Love
April 24th, 2008 at 3:12 pm This is a great article. Hope you enjoy it.

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You can’t be serious, you’re offering leftist rhetoric as fact?

Quick reminder for you. Keating 5, McCain was stated as not having done any wrong in the matter. You keep forgetting, McCain was vetted from his 2000 campaign against Bush.

You’re offering old and debunked news.

Congress actually does vote and pass earmarks.

M Period,

I don’t see us leaving regardless of the candidate but for the sake of argument here’s what I see.

We announce we are leaving and as we pull out there is an increase in attacks. The insurgents do so for the sake of being able to say they drove us out and the number of casualties doubles in th 6 months it takes us to retreat. Of course the numbers rise expedentially with the fewer troops in place to fight them off.

Second, once we leave I see the Iranians imposing their will on the Iraqi people in that the Sunni’s and Kurds will become legitimate targets for the Shi’ite. This ethnic cleansin if you will, will increase tension throughout the Middle East and the Kuwaiti’s and Saudi’s will be threatened.

Ultimately, the instability and violence will spread throughout the Middle East and oil prices will sky rocket. Why? Attacks and distabled governments will be concentrating on their survival as opposed to revenue. They have plenty of money so oil production will slip in other words.

As region becomes more destabalized, terrorist organizations (Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, etc) become more popular and we face a much larger threat both home and abroad.

DB,
Let me keep this simple…

You work for the government? You handle sensitive military intel? And you have time to write on a Fox political blog. Either you are full of sh@t or I’m really scared.

You work for the government??? Even that messes up your creditability.

Wait are you one of those ladies at the post office. Okay now it makes sense!?!

Comment by M Period
April 24th, 2008 at 3:17 pm tel…,

Villiagers are fighting terrorists because terrorists are blowing up their village…. They’d fight the terrorists no matter if we were there or not. Iraq, and Iraqis have never been a threat to the US. They’ve never really been America haters until we invaded their country. The war is being used as propaganda in Pakistan, and other regions. The terrorists have never been based out of Iraq, so its not a “victory” to say they can’t build up an Iraq base. ITs a lose that they are rebuild bases in Afghanistan. It is a lose that Bin Ladin is still running around spewing anti-American hate while we spend 5 times as much power enforcing curfews instead of getting him.

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You’re not that uninformed surely?

You cover a broad area in your nievity, I’ll address a couple of specifics.

You’ve forgotten that terrorists intimidated villages into siding with them and concealing them earlier in the conflict. This recent surge is what changed that tide.

Please don’t insult anyone’s intelligence by maintaining they’ve always resisted terrorists.

Explain why Bin Laden’s approval ratings dropped in Pakistan recently?

Comment by MI Repub
April 24th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Ok since they will not let me post the link. I’m interested in peoples thoughs on the FairTax.
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I like the idea but would need more specifics about it to be sure.

You can’t be serious, you’re offering leftist rhetoric as fact?

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Fox news has made a living offering rightist rhetoric as fact….

Wasn’t that the same hospital Obama’s wife worked at? If I remember correctly she got a healthy raise out of it. Conflict of interest?????

Comment by Mc Love
April 24th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
DB,
Let me keep this simple…

You work for the government? You handle sensitive military intel? And you have time to write on a Fox political blog. Either you are full of sh@t or I’m really scared.

You work for the government??? Even that messes up your creditability.

Wait are you one of those ladies at the post office. Okay now it makes sense!?!
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You are a funny person. Regardless of what I write you will question it, but suffice it to say, I have no reason to lie to you or anyone else and believe it or not even us people that work for the government/military get time off occasionally. Laughing

Comment by M Period
April 24th, 2008 at 3:26 pm You can’t be serious, you’re offering leftist rhetoric as fact?

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Fox news has made a living offering rightist rhetoric as fact….

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Not captain of the debating team were you M?

Comment by DB
April 24th, 2008 at 3:27 pm Comment by Mc Love

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DB, if you are in a capacity to review information on the two conflicts many of us aren’t privy to..

Please assess what I’ve offered to M Period on the nature of the failing policies of al Qaeda in Iraq…

How “off” am I?

And please be brutally honesty, the truth is better than clinging to impressions as it were.

DB,

Have you been to the website? What downfalls do you see?

bk,

She worked there, yes. As for a raise, she got a raise when she was made VP before the earmark was even given. As I’ve said before, Obama’s job is to represent the state of Illinois. I’m glad he made sure some of my federal tax money came back to the state… he did his job. I would be more upset if my rep failed to help our schools and hospitals. Obama was the first to release all his earmarks. They’re all for good causes, the media has made the word earmark into a bad word when really its not. Its simply saying “president i approve this 900 billion dollar budget for you to spend on your federal education program AS LONG AS the schools in the state I represent get enough money to buy computers”… isn’t that his job?

Tel,

I will only say the conflicts are a lot more complicated then we understand and by no means am I an expert. I know that’s a little evasive but I really can’t (won’t) get into details.

One last thing, your statement is true.

Comment by M Period
April 24th, 2008 at 3:26 pm You can’t be serious, you’re offering leftist rhetoric as fact?

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Fox news has made a living offering rightist rhetoric as fact….

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Not captain of the debating team were you M?

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I’m obviously a democrat, but i come here because I like hearing the other side. It gives a view from both sides in which to make my decisions. But I would say 99% of the arguements are just rightist rhetoric. And anytime anyone presents articles or links or anything that disagrees with you you write off as “leftist” or just the liberal media being biased, did you ever think that maybe you were just wrong. That isn’t not that everyone is agsinst you, or biased, that just… the facts aren’t on your side?

Mi Repubs,

I did review the plan some time ago and overall liked it but would have to be sure what the tax rate would be.

Ah Tellie(TEL)

In your naivety you think Keating doesn’t matter that’s so sweet.

Man, if they bring up the Clinton body count then Keating is fair game.

Comment by DB
April 24th, 2008 at 3:37 pm Tel,

I will only say the conflicts are a lot more complicated then we understand and by no means am I an expert. I know that’s a little evasive but I really can’t (won’t) get into details.

One last thing, your statement is true.

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I appreciate you taking the time.

M Period,

I am like you wanting to hear the other side but what I find is the same from you liberals. In fairness, I’m not always the most tolerant of people and will try my best to legitimately debate you in the future. For instance, McCain is against raising taxes, Obama is for taxing everyone above $65,000. I think we could debate that rationally if we chose too, so next time lets try and do that.

Comment by Mc Love
April 24th, 2008 at 3:41 pm Ah Tellie(TEL)

In your naivety you think Keating doesn’t matter that’s so sweet.

Man, if they bring up the Clinton body count then Keating is fair game.

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I think you’re reading and comprehensin skills need reassessing. I didn’t say it’s not fair game. I said McCain’s been vetted already. It’s old and debunked news. You’re 8 years too late.

and my typing skills certainly need review.

Tel,

No problem and I am sure through our discussions either with each other or others we will be able to learn a lot from each other.

DB (and everyone else),

I agree. I actually am going to get out of here for the day. The last thing I’m going to say about the tax thing is. I’d rather improve our public schools, than get a few points off my taxes return. Maybe that extra money will help me send my kid to a private school and say f’ the people who are making less and even with a few points lower taxes still have to send their kids to that now very underfunded school. Because the future of this country relies on ALL (or at least a majority) of its citizens to be educated.. be able to contribute, to be able to help this country grow and stay ahead of the rest of the world. A tax cut today sounds nice, but we can’t cut taxes at the expense of other funding. We are running in a deficit.. we can’t afford the programs we have now, we can’t afford medicare, social security. But thats another debate for another day. Take care everyone.

M Period,

I look for to talking to you again. Have a good one.

Ok, I’m also out for a while. Thanks for the conversation everyone.

God Bless America!

McCain 08!!

Just for the record Tel,

You might want to work on your reading and comprehensin skills.

These are not the expressed views of the Mc Love Corp. or any of its partners or associates.

This is straight from right wing rhetoric. Why did you pick the lamest point? What about the other points the article makes.

I went to school with Keating’s kids in Cincinnati and let me say they were brats!!! I bet McCain’s kids are cooler. Really, I’m not being sarcastic.

In 1972, Keating began to work for American Financial Corp., a company involved in insurance and banking. Four years later he moved to Phoenix, Arizona to run the real estate firm American Continental Corporation, a spin-off of American Financial Corp. In 1984, American Continental Corporation bought Lincoln Savings. Such savings and loan associations had been deregulated in the early 1980s, allowing them to make highly risky investments with their depositors’ money, a change of which Keating took advantage.

Some regulators noted the danger and pushed for more oversight, but Congress refused. Some of this may be due to the Keating Five, five Senators (Dennis DeConcini, Alan Cranston, John Glenn, Don Riegle and John McCain) who had received some $300,000 from Keating in the 1980s as political contributions. They later met twice with regulators who were investigating American Continental Corp., in an attempt to end the investigation. (In 1990, they would be rebuked to various degrees by the Senate Ethics Committee.)

In 1985, Keating hired Alan Greenspan as an economic consultant, in an effort to convince an oversight agency to exempt Lincoln Savings from certain regulations. Greenspan delivered a favorable report, writing that Lincoln Savings was “a financially strong institution that presents no foreseeable risk to depositors or the government.” (Greenspan produced similar favorable reports on numerous other banks that also failed soon after.) The agency ultimately declined the request.

American Continental Corporation, the parent of Lincoln Savings, went bankrupt in 1989. More than 21,000 mostly elderly investors lost their life savings, in total about $285 million. This occurred largely because they held securities backed by the parent company rather than deposits in the federally-insured institution, a distinction apparently lost on many if not most depositors until it was too late. The federal government covered almost $3 billion of Lincoln’s losses when it seized the institution. Many creditors were made whole, and the government then attempted to liquidate the seized assets through its Resolution Trust Corporation, often at pennies on the dollar compared to what the property had allegedly been worth and the valuation at which loans against it had been made.

mi repub, I would love to see a fair tax or flat tax. There is a website and books on it. My husband is self employed trucker and believe me it is a nightmare doing taxes. I have been through 4 audits in my life. Every auditor will tell you something different, they don’t have a clue about most of it. I know I am looking to vote for senators, whoever is supporting a fair tax. It would make our lives so much easier. I know alot of people that were for Huckabee due to the fairtax, that are really disappointed.

M Period:
Rather than just stating conclusions (which may or may not be valid) why not quote which specific bill that Senator McCain voted against, so WE can research it also. Don’t just quote websites (unless it is something like thomas.gov where we can read the text of a specific bill for ourselves). Also, there may be another bill that a person supports because it is actually BETTER and thus they don’t wish to dilute their support by voting for a half-measure.

DB: You might want to check out Tom Philpott’s excellent article titled “Bush Backs Bigger GI BILL” for background on specific measures (bill numbers cited) currently in Congress on military.com’s Opinions portion.

Comment by Mc Love
April 24th, 2008 at 4:08 pm Just for the record Tel,

You might want to work on your reading and comprehensin skills.

These are not the expressed views of the Mc Love Corp. or any of its partners or associates.

This is straight from right wing rhetoric. Why did you pick the lamest point? What about the other points the article makes.

I went to school with Keating’s kids in Cincinnati and let me say they were brats!!! I bet McCain’s kids are cooler. Really, I’m not being sarcastic.

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I’ll type this slower so you can understand it better….McCain’s been vetted on Keating 5. It’s old news, it’s debunked. You’re 8 years too late with it.

I don’t care who’s kids you went to school with or your opinion of them. Really, I’m not being sarcastic.

Comment by Mc Love
April 24th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

and quote your source.

Comment by Mc Love
April 24th, 2008 at 4:13 pm

Speaking of lame points. His age?

Byrd’s 90, Feinstein is 74, Ted Kennedy is 76. All Democrats. Are you saying (as your unsources cut and paste article also hints at) they should be out of contention for public office also? I’m sure John Murtha agrees though..gosh another Democrat.

A quick overview from wikipedia on the nature of McCain’s Keating 5 involvement:

Senators comprising the so-called “Keating Five”.Between 1982 and 1987, McCain had received $112,000 in legal political contributions from Charles Keating Jr. and his associates at Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, along with trips on Keating’s jets that McCain failed to repay until two years later. In 1987, McCain was one of the five Senators whom Keating contacted in order to prevent the government’s seizure of Lincoln, which was by then insolvent and being investigated for making questionable efforts to regain solvency. McCain met twice with federal regulators to discuss the government’s investigation of Lincoln.

On his Keating Five experience, McCain said: “The appearance of it was wrong. It’s a wrong appearance when a group of senators appear in a meeting with a group of regulators, because it conveys the impression of undue and improper influence. And it was the wrong thing to do.” Federal regulators ultimately filed a civil suit against Keating. The five senators came under investigation for attempting to influence the regulators. In the end, none of the senators were charged with any crime. McCain was rebuked by the Senate Ethics Committee for exercising “poor judgment”, but their 1991 report said that McCain’s “actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence and did not reach the level of requiring institutional action against him.” In his 1992 re-election bid, the Keating Five affair was not a major issue, and he won handily, gaining 56 percent of the vote to defeat Democratic community and civil rights activist Claire Sargent and independent former Governor Evan Mecham.

I’m sure you’ll agree wikipedia is a non partisan source.

In 1972, Keating began to work for American Financial Corp., a company involved in insurance and banking. Four years later he moved to Phoenix, Arizona to run the real estate firm American Continental Corporation, a spin-off of American Financial Corp. In 1984, American Continental Corporation bought Lincoln Savings. Such savings and loan associations had been deregulated in the early 1980s, allowing them to make highly risky investments with their depositors’ money, a change of which Keating took advantage.

Some regulators noted the danger and pushed for more oversight, but Congress refused. Some of this may be due to the Keating Five, five Senators (Dennis DeConcini, Alan Cranston, John Glenn, Don Riegle and John McCain) who had received some $300,000 from Keating in the 1980s as political contributions. They later met twice with regulators who were investigating American Continental Corp., in an attempt to end the investigation. (In 1990, they would be rebuked to various degrees by the Senate Ethics Committee.)

In 1985, Keating hired Alan Greenspan as an economic consultant, in an effort to convince an oversight agency to exempt Lincoln Savings from certain regulations. Greenspan delivered a favorable report, writing that Lincoln Savings was “a financially strong institution that presents no foreseeable risk to depositors or the government.” (Greenspan produced similar favorable reports on numerous other banks that also failed soon after.) The agency ultimately declined the request.

American Continental Corporation, the parent of Lincoln Savings, went bankrupt in 1989. More than 21,000 mostly elderly investors lost their life savings, in total about $285 million. This occurred largely because they held securities backed by the parent company rather than deposits in the federally-insured institution, a distinction apparently lost on many if not most depositors until it was too late. The federal government covered almost $3 billion of Lincoln’s losses when it seized the institution. Many creditors were made whole, and the government then attempted to liquidate the seized assets through its Resolution Trust Corporation, often at pennies on the dollar compared to what the property had allegedly been worth and the valuation at which loans against it had been made.

This was from wiki, too.

Age is a much greater factor. Just for the simple reason he could croak at any moment and we would be left with his VP. His VP choice will be critical on many levels, but the croak factor really takes the cake. I’m thinking Lieberman or if he wants to let his hair down I suggest Kerry, since Kerry was considering him. Its only fair.

You can list senators’ ages until you fingers are numb, but a president’s death has a greater impact.

One president is worth at least six senators. At least…

Tel,

I want you to know that you homosexuality does not bother me in the least. I don’t want you to think that just because I’m a republican that I have something against gays. In fact a have a good friend that is gay.

I think what is more important is putting McCain’s feet to the fire and try to cleanse him of his left leaning tendencies.

Comment by Mc Love
April 24th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
In 1972, Keating began to work for American Financial Corp., a company involved in insurance and banking. Four years later he moved to Phoenix, Arizona to run the real estate firm American Continental Corporation, a spin-off of American Financial Corp. In 1984, American Continental Corporation bought Lincoln Savings. Such savings and loan associations had been deregulated in the early 1980s, allowing them to make highly risky investments with their depositors’ money, a change of which Keating took advantage.

Some regulators noted the danger and pushed for more oversight, but Congress refused. Some of this may be due to the Keating Five, five Senators (Dennis DeConcini, Alan Cranston, John Glenn, Don Riegle and John McCain) who had received some $300,000 from Keating in the 1980s as political contributions. They later met twice with regulators who were investigating American Continental Corp., in an attempt to end the investigation. (In 1990, they would be rebuked to various degrees by the Senate Ethics Committee.)

In 1985, Keating hired Alan Greenspan as an economic consultant, in an effort to convince an oversight agency to exempt Lincoln Savings from certain regulations. Greenspan delivered a favorable report, writing that Lincoln Savings was “a financially strong institution that presents no foreseeable risk to depositors or the government.” (Greenspan produced similar favorable reports on numerous other banks that also failed soon after.) The agency ultimately declined the request.

American Continental Corporation, the parent of Lincoln Savings, went bankrupt in 1989. More than 21,000 mostly elderly investors lost their life savings, in total about $285 million. This occurred largely because they held securities backed by the parent company rather than deposits in the federally-insured institution, a distinction apparently lost on many if not most depositors until it was too late. The federal government covered almost $3 billion of Lincoln’s losses when it seized the institution. Many creditors were made whole, and the government then attempted to liquidate the seized assets through its Resolution Trust Corporation, often at pennies on the dollar compared to what the property had allegedly been worth and the valuation at which loans against it had been made.

This was from wiki, too.

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Again, perhaps your reading and comprehension skills need addressing because there’s nothing here stating any accepted or proven illegality by McCain.

“May” is nebulous and unsubstantiated. If “may” works for you…good luck with that.

I digress…

Further reading (which you neglect to present) clearly shows that McCain was not indicted for any wrong doing, that’s why he’s still a Senator today and can run for President…if you have a point..you have difficulty in presenting it. If you’re asserting inuendo…you have my sympathy.

(AP) Sen. John McCain’s ethics entanglement with a wealthy banker ultimately convicted of swindling investors was such a disturbing, formative experience in his political career that he compares the scandal in some ways to the five years he was tortured as a prisoner of war in Vietnam.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/24/politics/main3964240.shtml?source=RSSattr=Politics_3964240

Comment by Mc Love
April 25th, 2008 at 10:42 am (AP) Sen. John McCain’s ethics entanglement with a wealthy banker ultimately convicted of swindling investors was such a disturbing, formative experience in his political career that he compares the scandal in some ways to the five years he was tortured as a prisoner of war in Vietnam.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/24/politics/main3964240.shtml?source=RSSattr=Politics_3964240

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And again….if you’re trying to offer inuendo over the actual conclusions of an official investigation that found no wrong doing on McCain’s part other than “bad judgment”….you have my sympathy.

You’re 20 years too late in trying to establish any guilt, and 8 years too late on trying to use it against him.

Comment by Mc Love
April 24th, 2008 at 9:20 pm Age is a much greater factor. Just for the simple reason he could croak at any moment and we would be left with his VP. His VP choice will be critical on many levels, but the croak factor really takes the cake. I’m thinking Lieberman or if he wants to let his hair down I suggest Kerry, since Kerry was considering him. Its only fair.

You can list senators’ ages until you fingers are numb, but a president’s death has a greater impact.

One president is worth at least six senators. At least…

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Reagan was 69 when he was given the Presidency. Reagan was two years younger than McCain and even survived an assassination attempt. You’re reaching way too hard.

I’ll ignore the idiocy of the rest of your post.

How can you say she won BIG, she was only 9 points ahead. Go away Hillbilly!!!

GO OBAMA!!!!!!!!!

The Obama’s are too controversial to win against McCain. It’s Hillary or 4 more years. Voters who are willing to take a chance should be fore warned. If you can afford higher gas prices, fewer jobs, higher inflation, etc then keep on voting Obama and you will get it. McCain will be the next president if Obama is the nominee.
http://www.dontvoteobama.net public records that you should read on why Obama can’t win.
I hope voters in Indiana will see what we have to loose and put Hillary way ahead.

Hillary is our only chance against McCain. The more Rev. Wright talks, the more one asks, “How could anyone listen to this anti-american, black supremist racist for 22 years and subject your children to this if you did not believe and follow and practice these beliefs? Of course Obama is a follower of Rev. Wright and of course he has to deny it. What else can he do? If he is not honest about his arabic blood (Hence his name), why do you think he is honest about the Rev.
He can’t be McCain and that’s the biggest pull back for me. We must put a dem into office.

Tel,
Why won’t this Keating thing just go away. Do you work for his campaign? I bet it’s your job to spin his Keating connection. You stand out like McCain’s age.

In this connection one must always remember Keating’s reply to the question of whether he thought his campaign contributions influenced the recipients. He said, “I certainly hope so.”

Keating was more than a constituent to McCain–he was a longtime friend and associate. McCain met Keating in 1981 at a Navy League dinner in Arizona where McCain was the speaker. Keating was a former naval aviator himself, and the two men became friends. Keating raised money for McCain’s two congressional campaigns in 1982 and 1984, and for McCain’s 1986 Senate bid. By 1987, McCain campaigns had received $112,000 from Keating, his relatives, and his employees–the most received by any of the Keating Five. (Keating raised a total of $300,000 for the five senators.)

After McCain’s election to the House in 1982, he and his family made at least nine trips at Keating’s expense, three of which were to Keating’s Bahamas retreat. McCain did not disclose the trips (as he was required to under House rules) until the scandal broke in 1989. At that point, he paid Keating $13,433 for the flights.

And in April 1986, one year before the meeting with the regulators, McCain’s wife, Cindy, and her father invested $359,100 in a Keating strip mall.

http://www.slate.com/id/1004633/

This is a fun video the entire family can enjoy.

Wait this video is even better!!!

IF A PASTOR IS KNOWN BY THE COMPANY THEY KEEP!
When the Rev. William Procanick put his hand on the Bible during his
sex-abuse trial in Oneida County Court earlier this year, he swore to
tell the whole truth And nothing but the truth. But as the former
Clinton Pastor was sentenced Friday to three years in prison for
Inappropriately touching a 7-year-old girl at his Home last March, Judge
Michael L. Dwyer said Procanick Sacrificed his honesty the day he
testified.
Okay, so now that Bill and Hillary Clinton’s pastor Has been convicted
of child molestation, will we see the Same furor directed at Hillary
that Obama has had to Endure these last few weeks?
IF A CANDIDATE IS KNOWN BY TH E PASTOR THEY KEEP ……
Then you u need to email this article to everyone you Know. Here the
CLINTON’S Pastor is convicted of child Molestation. So, if Obama bears
the guilt for his pastor’s comment; then Hillary has to be equally
tainted by this man’s crimes.
GIVES NEW MEANING TO SHOE ON THE OTHERS FOOT…

I sure hope that John McCain chooses Mitt Romney as his VP. That way, when they lose miserably in November, we can get back to electing Conservatives to represent Republicans instead of Mavericks and Flip-Floppers.